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#3251 SennaBoys

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:20

The sport means different things to different people. I've never missed a live race in over 15yrs - obviously that's a little obsessive for most and even some hardcore fans will miss the odd live race over the years but watching pre recorded highlights (not even the full race!!) for half the races of the season would never sit right with me. That's why the BBC coverage will always be inferior to Sky for a lot of fans. Obviously not everybody can afford Sky etc etc, it doesn't make them any less of a fan but don't start pretending that pre recorded highlights will ever compare to the real thing because it wont.


I agree with your comment about live v delayed highlights, I don't think it will ever compare in that respect. It was so nice to get the full race treatment this weekend, just trying to not remind myself that it's back to highlights this weekend. Still, not long till Spa so I can watch it for real :up:

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#3252 Risil

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:30

Pinkham isn't much worse than McKenzie at the BBC with her "You must be bitterly disappointed" question she asks at least one driver every weekend.


Personally I think McKenzie's a very shrewd interviewer. She does the whole "oh I'm very sorry for you have some sympathy" schtick to get drivers in their comfort zone (even these days, it's not the same thing to be a female sports journalist interviewing someone as a man), then she asks a proper bastard question. "Sebastian, where to start? What a crazy race, there was so much going on. *sad face* Are you disappointed, that you lost a position to your teammate at the end there?" :lol: It's pure shit-stirring but it frequently gets results. ;)

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:35

Well said, just because not everyone can afford Sky or choose not to watch Sky for whatever reason, it doesn't make them any less of an F1 fan than the next person.

Of course it does, :lol: to a few members anyway,

Watched BBC this time around. On at least two occasions we were treated to either Gary Anderson or an interviewee talking over a radio transmission. I really hate that.

I still think DC and Edwards are a better commentary team - they have clearly defined roles which compliment rather than compete - while I don't think Brundle has dropped back into the colour commentator role yet (on the strength of the first two races, anyway).

Someone really needs to tell Gary to stop during a radio broadcast, he obviously was not watching on Fanvision, so how else would he know? Not his fault.

The sport means different things to different people. I've never missed a live race in over 15yrs - obviously that's a little obsessive for most and even some hardcore fans will miss the odd live race over the years but watching pre recorded highlights (not even the full race!!) for half the races of the season would never sit right with me. That's why the BBC coverage will always be inferior to Sky for a lot of fans. Obviously not everybody can afford Sky etc etc, it doesn't make them any less of a fan but don't start pretending that pre recorded highlights will ever compare to the real thing because it wont.

I don't think anyone is saying that. Just saying that what the BBC are giving us is not as bad it could have been.

#3254 Risil

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:44

Obviously not everybody can afford Sky etc etc, it doesn't make them any less of a fan but don't start pretending that pre recorded highlights will ever compare to the real thing because it wont.


The real thing is going out to the track and doing it yourself. Second most real thing is going there and watching. Waaaay down the list is watching it on telly in your home.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 13:09

The real thing is going out to the track and doing it yourself. Second most real thing is going there and watching. Waaaay down the list is watching it on telly in your home.


I just imagined, decades from now, the drivers being plugged into sensory apparatus whilst they drive, and fans buying virtual-reality equipment and paying a "modest" fee to FOM for the privilege of feeling the race experience in the most immersive way possible... :drunk:


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Posted 16 April 2012 - 13:20

I just imagined, decades from now, the drivers being plugged into sensory apparatus whilst they drive, and fans buying virtual-reality equipment and paying a "modest" fee to FOM for the privilege of feeling the race experience in the most immersive way possible... :drunk:

Bernie still won't make as much out of that technology as the porn industry...

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 13:25

Personally I think McKenzie's a very shrewd interviewer. She does the whole "oh I'm very sorry for you have some sympathy" schtick to get drivers in their comfort zone (even these days, it's not the same thing to be a female sports journalist interviewing someone as a man), then she asks a proper bastard question. "Sebastian, where to start? What a crazy race, there was so much going on. *sad face* Are you disappointed, that you lost a position to your teammate at the end there?" :lol: It's pure shit-stirring but it frequently gets results.;)

Agree - I think she's much better than some people here give her credit for.

Someone really needs to tell Gary to stop during a radio broadcast, he obviously was not watching on Fanvision, so how else would he know? Not his fault.

Ted used to know but I'm not really specifying (or caring) how he finds out, only that he should.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 13:41

He must get some cue, because he talked over someone late in the race yesterday. They nearly started and finished at the same time.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 14:01

Maybe he's mistaking the shut-up-right-now cue with the chit-chat-away one?

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 14:16

From what I saw, Herbert was an improvement on Hill. Lazenby's got to go though. He doesn't have the knowledge, interviewing skills or charisma to be an F1 Presenter. He's forever coming out with unfunny, awkward phrases whenver he's interviewing anyone. Jake blows him out of the water. For some reason, Sky always look internally for presenters. When it's football and there's only 15 minutes build up, it's okay. With F1, there's around 2-3 hours of pre and post race coverage. Hope they look for someone more competent and charismatic


#3261 Jon83

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 14:22

Thought the Sky coverage was a bit better. Herbert is very good, and Ant seemed to get more involved in the punditry.

Only downside is Natalie Pinkham. Her questions seem a bit inane, although I appreciate it's difficult to think of questions on your feet (some of Brundle's grid walk questions were a bit daft as well).


I think she's quite nice to look at so can't complain too much!

Kimi did point out to her in Malaysia that he started 10th but it wasn't a big deal!

On a fairly unrelated note, Kai Ebel (the one who always wears the crazy shirts) looked thrilled with Nico's win. Saw him in the paddock when Natalie was talking to one of the other drivers and Kai was nin the background embracing Nico!

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#3262 Risil

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 14:22

For some reason, Sky always look internally for presenters.


And the BBC doesn't?

Edited by Risil, 16 April 2012 - 14:24.


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Posted 16 April 2012 - 14:25

From what I saw, Herbert was an improvement on Hill. Lazenby's got to go though. He doesn't have the knowledge, interviewing skills or charisma to be an F1 Presenter. He's forever coming out with unfunny, awkward phrases whenver he's interviewing anyone. Jake blows him out of the water. For some reason, Sky always look internally for presenters. When it's football and there's only 15 minutes build up, it's okay. With F1, there's around 2-3 hours of pre and post race coverage. Hope they look for someone more competent and charismatic


What F1 knowledge did Jake have before landing the gig? Jake was visibly off for about 3-4 months then got better. I have no clue how Lazenby will develop, and I m in no way a fan of his, but IMO there has been a marked improvement from Aus to China. He's visibly less nervous about being where he is.

PS did anybody notice how noticeably more "matey" Sky's China broadcast was? Cracking jokes about Brundles weight and Whitmarsh's magnum ... and Herbert contributed a lot to that IMO. Seems they are getting the fact the more clinical approach they had in Aus doesn't work for F1

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 14:28

What F1 knowledge did Jake have before landing the gig? Jake was visibly off for about 3-4 months then got better. I have no clue how Lazenby will develop, and I m in no way a fan of his, but IMO there has been a marked improvement from Aus to China. He's visibly less nervous about being where he is.

PS did anybody notice how noticeably more "matey" Sky's China broadcast was? Cracking jokes about Brundles weight and Whitmarsh's magnum ... and Herbert contributed a lot to that IMO. Seems they are getting the fact the more clinical approach they had in Aus doesn't work for F1


Agree. It's ridiculous and unfair to write him off after such a short time.

I think he has done a perfectly decent job early on. Personally, I don't watch it and sit and pay too much attention to him. He presents the show and asks the kind of questions that someone who doesn't have an F1 background has, which for many viewers, I suspect is perfect.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 15:03

Lazenby is getting more comfortable, but Herbert seems almost entirely responsible for the change of tone.. I like Hill too, but compared to Herbert he has no sense of humour, and therefore the atmosphere tends to be heavier when he's around.

oh and I was impressed with Davidson's 'new toy' as well...

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 15:27

The real thing is going out to the track and doing it yourself. Second most real thing is going there and watching. Waaaay down the list is watching it on telly in your home.


I go to the British GP most years and it's excellent to get so up close but would I watch an entire season (if that were possible for me) live at the track every race? Hell no! You'd miss so much. It's a grand experience and every F1 fan should get to at least one race in their lives because nothing compares to the noise and the atmosphere but watching it on TV across the season is a brilliant way to watch the sport and isn't way down the list at all.



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Posted 16 April 2012 - 15:30


Lazenby needs to cheer up and stop being an irksome penis.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 15:37

Dump Lazenby and bring in Jim Rosenthal!

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 15:40

"Viewing figures for the Chinese Grand Prix show Sky with an average of 0.48m watching the race live and a peak of 0.85m. The first time the BBC has went up against Sky live for the race, BBC had an average of 2.9m with a peak of 4.1m.

Comparing the figures to the Chinese Grand Prix in 2011 the BBC had an average of 3.3m and a peak of 4.3m for the live coverage."

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 15:54

The real thing is going out to the track and doing it yourself. Second most real thing is going there and watching. Waaaay down the list is watching it on telly in your home.

HAHA, love that reply !! :clap:

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 15:58

I go to the British GP most years and it's excellent to get so up close but would I watch an entire season (if that were possible for me) live at the track every race? Hell no! You'd miss so much. It's a grand experience and every F1 fan should get to at least one race in their lives because nothing compares to the noise and the atmosphere but watching it on TV across the season is a brilliant way to watch the sport and isn't way down the list at all.


I know what you mean there, I normally try and find a spot near a track tv. In Spa I always sit on Kemmel Straight, you see some great action and have the TV bang in front. it was amazing last year seeing Mark and Alonso on the TV though through Eau Rouge and then come past you in person. Only downside was the plague of wasps...you don't get those watching tv :lol:

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 16:14

The viewing figures for the Chinese GP show that forum posters don't reflect the real world. Less than 10% watched the race on Sky compared to the BBC.

There 'Legends' programmes Sky are putting on, people needn't worry about missing them, 'cos Sky will be repeating them forever. If viewers want some new programmes on F1 drivers, will the next lot be called "Not Quite Legends" or "Almost a Legend"? Let's be honest there can't be more than 25 drivers who can can really be classed as legends.





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Posted 16 April 2012 - 16:19

Sky are planning to have full and exclusive coverage in the coming years. People will soon get used to missing the odd race or two, and right now the F1 channel isn't really worth it. It's not to bad with SkyGo, but I suspect the business case for SkyF1 would be a large amount of people buying the full Sky package. That can only happen when the BBC lose coverage.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 16:21

I agree the content on the Sky F1 channel is too repetitive... it's a pity they aren't maximizing the opportunity of having a fully dedicated F1 channel. There's more than half a century of stuff waiting to be told so there is ample opportunity to avoid broadcasting the same three things over and over..

I'm fine with their actual live coverage of the race weekends though, not perfect but nothing to get hysterical about.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 17:04

Watched BBC this time around. On at least two occasions we were treated to either Gary Anderson or an interviewee talking over a radio transmission. I really hate that.

I still think DC and Edwards are a better commentary team - they have clearly defined roles which compliment rather than compete - while I don't think Brundle has dropped back into the colour commentator role yet (on the strength of the first two races, anyway).


Interesting you think that, I thought the opposite watching the reply on bbc, DC seemed to take over the commentating part during a couple of the most exicting parts and I got the feeling Edwards was raring to go...at one time he launched into proper 'it's exciting time' commentary (proper horse racing style!) but unfortuantely most of the exciting part had alread passed with DC speaking...and DC tends to stutter a lot when it gets exciting!

Minor quibbles, I like both sets of commentators, Edwards voice does seem wrong to me mind but I think it's from the F1 season review videos, I absolutely hate the commentary on that because it's not 'as live', which isn't his fault but it's just an association in my mind I guess.

The other thing I have concluded is that it's simply not possible for the commentators to be on the ball as much as someone watching from home with a couple of laptops, particularly if that person is focussed on one driver. There's a huge number of mistakes, particularly in mistaking drivers (just off the top of my head DC got lewis and button confused at one point on sunday), but it's been consistent from JA on ITV, through the BBC tv/radio commentators to sky, every combination makes them so I think it's an unfair expectation.




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Posted 16 April 2012 - 17:06

There 'Legends' programmes Sky are putting on, people needn't worry about missing them, 'cos Sky will be repeating them forever. If viewers want some new programmes on F1 drivers, will the next lot be called "Not Quite Legends" or "Almost a Legend"? Let's be honest there can't be more than 25 drivers who can can really be classed as legends.


Now if they did a series tracking down 20 or so hard-luck drivers, in the style of F1 Rejects, I'd have to reconsider my choice not to subscribe. ;)

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 17:10

Well look how popular McCarthy/his book are.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 18:02

If you ask me, BBC and Sky are both as good as each other. Let's not forget Sky are only in their third race of covering Formula 1 under the current contract, I'm not sure F1 Digital+ counts considering that was primarily an FOM operation.

BBC have the experience at the moment, Jake, David and Eddie have been working together since 2009 and so have been able to perfect the pre-show and work on the post-show. Sky haven't. It takes time to gel, these things do not instantly click all of the time. Simon, Damon and Martin on Sky did not instantly click. I'm not sure they will click because Damon grates too much. Yesterday in China, Johnny Herbert was a league ahead of Damon and seemed to fit in perfectly, whereas Damon was in the Mark Blundell league of watching paint dry.

If Sky stick with Simon, Johnny, Martin and Ant then there is no reason why Sky's presentation should not be better than BBC's come mid-season. However, if Damon does appear at more races, and he probably will given that he's deal is for 10 races, then I can see me tuning into BBC for the live races.

I don't get why people don't like Georgie either, her presenting is fine. I still maintain that The F1 Show is the best show of the entire F1 weekend and that is because of her and Ted presenting, the two work well together as a team. She should probably be used more on Sundays, I hope come Europe we will see her presenting GP2 and GP3 maybe alongside Ant so they build their portfolio with an actual program for GP2 and not straight into the World Feed. Georgie is fine on the Sky Pad with Ant, she is not there to do much, but just to throw discussion pointers to Ant instead of letting him get lost. Ant is not a TV expert, it makes sense to have Georgie in there with him.

Ted and Natalie do what is expected of them fine. Sky's Friday coverage I can't see what there is to possibly change, I can't see anything. It's Saturday's and Sunday's that needs polishing, just made a bit more relaxed, and Sky need to be more relaxed about when they get off the air, there should not be the constant rush to get off the air on a dedicated channel or to head to the next commercial, the program needs to be fluid, not rushed. This applies for the post-race as well, in China it was fine though, it would be difficult to find faults with Sky's coverage on Sunday. I myself thought it was exemplary. If I had "my way":

- keep adverts to a minimum as we had in China
- keep the 5 hour race day program
- dump Damon Hill permanently
- more Sky Pad analysis
- air Classic races on the channel
- air IndyCars on the channel
- have GP2 and GP3 as a proper program when we get to Europe

BBC's program I think most agreed on here, from 2009 to 2011 was the best F1 TV in the UK we had ever had, I think its difficult to argue with that. To expect Sky to come in and blow it away I think maybe have been unrealistic, given that the team needed time to gel and for the program to gel. You can have as many ideas as you like into your head, but its only when you get to the racetrack to practice it out. It's not like with acting you can act out a scene many times before getting it right, with presenting F1 you can only do it once, and that's live. You either get it right and the viewers love you, or they will just turn over.

I did think yesterday Sky was on par with BBC from 2009 to 2011 though, I would be hard pressed to find things that could have been improved. Although I say 'more analysis' above, on a race like yesterday's it is physically impossible to analyse everything, but I think they did an excellent job at what they did do.

BBC's team is fine, Ben and David are as good as Martin and David on the other side, although for me I will watch Sky as I prefer Martin's commentary (personal preference) and prefer Ted over Gary, Gary sounds too quiet at times but I suspect he will grow into the role. On both sides though, you would be hard pushed to find improvements. The only reason why Sky gets more posts in here, is because they have a channel, which means more airtime, meaning more discussion points and more posts in here.

The problem is though for Sky is that there is absolutely nothing to entice the hardcore viewer during the non-F1 days. There is:

- The F1 Show
- Season Reviews
- F1 Fast Track
- Weekend in Words
- Weekend in Stills

For original programming. The F1 Show and Season Reviews will keep people watching, but Season Reviews are insignificant if they are only going to be shown once. I have no intention of watching F1 Fast Track or Weekend in Works. I did just quickly fire up Sky Go and Weekend in Words is simply the interviews cut from the live broadcasts which I have no intention of watching again. Fast Track has zero appeal to me. Weekend in Stills may be worth watching though.

The schedule, though probably expected, is a disjointed mess and it seems they are focusing on the wrong areas with new programming. I sent an e-mail to Sky about Classic races (and why my long comment was seemingly being rejected...) and this was the reply:

Regarding your point about full, classic F1 races. The decision to show these has been reversed for the moment. I can’t tell you whether this is a rights issue or not, as I don’t know. I have checked with the F1 programmers though, and they have no full races from the archive scheduled. We only schedule season reviews from 1988 – 2011.


I would be extremely surprised if it really was a rights issue stopping Sky from showing them, and also quite bemused considering they have their own channel. IndyCars on the channel as well should happen, to bolster the content.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 18:09

Watched the race on sky feed and then bbc download now.Have to say I really enjoy edwards commentating.DC did cut him off a couple of times though.Overall I think they are better than the sky team but edwards and brundle would be mega.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 18:24

Anyone noticed Lewis has done the track guide for SkyF1 for all three races?

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 18:36

Anyone noticed Lewis has done the track guide for SkyF1 for all three races?

Assuming you mean a one minute piece with him against a white background, I think that is a promotional feature of some sort done for every race. The track guide itself where Martin walks around the track has not been done by Lewis.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 18:47

Assuming you mean a one minute piece with him against a white background, I think that is a promotional feature of some sort done for every race. The track guide itself where Martin walks around the track has not been done by Lewis.


Yeah the one where Hilton Hhonors sponsorship gets a few bits of air time. :p

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 19:00

Loved the bit where Sky panned from a view of the Chinese track to the Skypad with Ant & Georgie. Obviously some poor production minion has been reading threads like these and saw all the "But it could be in a studio in London for all we know" comments...

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 19:19

Yep agree your summary DMN. No coincidence everyone loved Sky this week after they dropped Hill. Georgie has been the biggest surprise, she's surprisingly good on the F1 show. The very lame scripted 'banter' between her and Ted just before advert breaks is pretty cringe worthy though, all it needs is a laughter track in the background :)

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 20:51

Anyone noticed Lewis has done the track guide for SkyF1 for all three races?

this is done as a promotional feature for Hilton Honours and is just used for advertising. Its not sky going back to itv's hamilton mania

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 21:08

If you ask me, BBC and Sky are both as good as each other. Let's not forget Sky are only in their third race of covering Formula 1 under the current contract, I'm not sure F1 Digital+ counts considering that was primarily an FOM operation.

BBC have the experience at the moment, Jake, David and Eddie have been working together since 2009 and so have been able to perfect the pre-show and work on the post-show. Sky haven't. It takes time to gel, these things do not instantly click all of the time. Simon, Damon and Martin on Sky did not instantly click. I'm not sure they will click because Damon grates too much. Yesterday in China, Johnny Herbert was a league ahead of Damon and seemed to fit in perfectly, whereas Damon was in the Mark Blundell league of watching paint dry.

If Sky stick with Simon, Johnny, Martin and Ant then there is no reason why Sky's presentation should not be better than BBC's come mid-season. However, if Damon does appear at more races, and he probably will given that he's deal is for 10 races, then I can see me tuning into BBC for the live races.

I don't get why people don't like Georgie either, her presenting is fine. I still maintain that The F1 Show is the best show of the entire F1 weekend and that is because of her and Ted presenting, the two work well together as a team. She should probably be used more on Sundays, I hope come Europe we will see her presenting GP2 and GP3 maybe alongside Ant so they build their portfolio with an actual program for GP2 and not straight into the World Feed. Georgie is fine on the Sky Pad with Ant, she is not there to do much, but just to throw discussion pointers to Ant instead of letting him get lost. Ant is not a TV expert, it makes sense to have Georgie in there with him.

Ted and Natalie do what is expected of them fine. Sky's Friday coverage I can't see what there is to possibly change, I can't see anything. It's Saturday's and Sunday's that needs polishing, just made a bit more relaxed, and Sky need to be more relaxed about when they get off the air, there should not be the constant rush to get off the air on a dedicated channel or to head to the next commercial, the program needs to be fluid, not rushed. This applies for the post-race as well, in China it was fine though, it would be difficult to find faults with Sky's coverage on Sunday. I myself thought it was exemplary. If I had "my way":

- keep adverts to a minimum as we had in China
- keep the 5 hour race day program
- dump Damon Hill permanently
- more Sky Pad analysis
- air Classic races on the channel
- air IndyCars on the channel
- have GP2 and GP3 as a proper program when we get to Europe

BBC's program I think most agreed on here, from 2009 to 2011 was the best F1 TV in the UK we had ever had, I think its difficult to argue with that. To expect Sky to come in and blow it away I think maybe have been unrealistic, given that the team needed time to gel and for the program to gel. You can have as many ideas as you like into your head, but its only when you get to the racetrack to practice it out. It's not like with acting you can act out a scene many times before getting it right, with presenting F1 you can only do it once, and that's live. You either get it right and the viewers love you, or they will just turn over.

I did think yesterday Sky was on par with BBC from 2009 to 2011 though, I would be hard pressed to find things that could have been improved. Although I say 'more analysis' above, on a race like yesterday's it is physically impossible to analyse everything, but I think they did an excellent job at what they did do.

BBC's team is fine, Ben and David are as good as Martin and David on the other side, although for me I will watch Sky as I prefer Martin's commentary (personal preference) and prefer Ted over Gary, Gary sounds too quiet at times but I suspect he will grow into the role. On both sides though, you would be hard pushed to find improvements. The only reason why Sky gets more posts in here, is because they have a channel, which means more airtime, meaning more discussion points and more posts in here.

The problem is though for Sky is that there is absolutely nothing to entice the hardcore viewer during the non-F1 days. There is:

- The F1 Show
- Season Reviews
- F1 Fast Track
- Weekend in Words
- Weekend in Stills

For original programming. The F1 Show and Season Reviews will keep people watching, but Season Reviews are insignificant if they are only going to be shown once. I have no intention of watching F1 Fast Track or Weekend in Works. I did just quickly fire up Sky Go and Weekend in Words is simply the interviews cut from the live broadcasts which I have no intention of watching again. Fast Track has zero appeal to me. Weekend in Stills may be worth watching though.

The schedule, though probably expected, is a disjointed mess and it seems they are focusing on the wrong areas with new programming. I sent an e-mail to Sky about Classic races (and why my long comment was seemingly being rejected...) and this was the reply:



I would be extremely surprised if it really was a rights issue stopping Sky from showing them, and also quite bemused considering they have their own channel. IndyCars on the channel as well should happen, to bolster the content.


WTF, Damon is a world champion, what has BBC got, a couple of also ran with David and EJ!!!!!

#3287 D.M.N.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 21:12

WTF, Damon is a world champion, what has BBC got, a couple of also ran with David and EJ!!!!!

He was a good racer, doesn't mean he is a good pundit. And Coulthard had more F1 experience than Hill.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 21:13

this is done as a promotional feature for Hilton Honours and is just used for advertising. Its not sky going back to itv's hamilton mania


Well until China i thought it was a pole sitter thing but i guess Lewis will be guiding us through the whole season.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 21:14

He was a good racer, doesn't mean he is a good pundit. And Coulthard had more F1 experience than Hill.


Coulthard also has great connections like on the grid walk i strolled into Marks pen to speak to him engineers and mechanics didn't batter a eye lid.

#3290 Markn93

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 21:14

Well until China i thought it was a pole sitter thing but i guess Lewis will be guiding us through the whole season.


Fine by me :up:

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 21:19

He was a good racer, doesn't mean he is a good pundit. And Coulthard had more F1 experience than Hill.


I'd still rather get a world champions view, not many WC out there, only a few and I'd like to get his view. I am sure many fans out there have the same view.

#3292 Longtimefan

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 21:22

He was a good racer, doesn't mean he is a good pundit. And Coulthard had more F1 experience than Hill.


Thats a matter of opinion.


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Posted 16 April 2012 - 21:24

Coulthard also has great connections like on the grid walk i strolled into Marks pen to speak to him engineers and mechanics didn't batter a eye lid.



Unfortunately that means he's also the only pundit/commentator who's contractually biased!

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 21:26

I'd still rather get a world champions view, not many WC out there, only a few and I'd like to get his view. I am sure many fans out there have the same view.


The show is about entertainment and connecting to your audience. Hill doesn't really do that. Plus Johnny is also a steward like Damon. A steward's view is worth more to me than a champions view. Johnny can put the same point across as Damon but in a friendlier way. To me that makes the big difference. A WDC does not make a better pundit.

#3295 King Six

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 21:42

Edwards was much better for this race than he has been for previous races, much more calm, collected, no shouting or anything. Despite so much going on, he actually kept himself together.

Has Crofty changed, or does he still shout and say 200 words a second like he's still on the radio describing every small piece of action that happens on the track to the highest degree...

Edited by King Six, 16 April 2012 - 21:42.


#3296 PhilG

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 22:01

I watched the race and pretty much all the practice sessions , from china on Sky, and then watched the race again on BBC later, and the coverage just seemed off a bit , i'm a fan of Ben Edwards , but i have to say that the Sky duo seem to be more polished , Edwards brings excitement, but when there is none, sometimes its best not to labour it.

Sky will do it better because they can.. im happy to pay , i get to watch what i want when i want, and for those who expect it to be for free, we dont live in that world anymore


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 07:24

The show is about entertainment and connecting to your audience. Hill doesn't really do that. Plus Johnny is also a steward like Damon. A steward's view is worth more to me than a champions view. Johnny can put the same point across as Damon but in a friendlier way. To me that makes the big difference. A WDC does not make a better pundit.


I'd say you don't even have to be a driver, bring on the mighty Lao from China !! :clap:

#3298 Tony Mandara

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 07:49

When the hell is someone going to give EJ some elocution lessons?? There is no 'R' in SAFETY, EJ!! (saferty....sheesh!) :drunk:

Gary should 'speak up' when there's no pit-car radio....... and 'shut up' when there is!!

Enjoying Ben Edwards' "Trousers on fire" commentary style. Very 'Walker-ish!" :up:

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:24

See anyone can do it - all a bit juvenile and pointless dont you think....



Sorry Dad


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:32

GP2 Timing Changes
FRIDAY - 09:55 - Practice
FRIDAY - 13:55 - Qualifying
SATURDAY - 13:40 - Race 1
SUNDAY - 08:35 - Race 2

Saturday and Sunday's races were scheduled differently, Saturday was scheduled for 07:00 I think it was, but obviously there has been some timing changes. What it does mean is that 5 minutes has been knocked off the F1 Qualifying program, meaning the Qualifying program will now finish at just after 13:30 most likely.