Worst Grand Prix car of all time
#51
Posted 04 March 2001 - 14:48
Was that definitely the same car? I have heard speculation that it was the same car but could it have been something new.
Allen
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#52
Posted 04 March 2001 - 15:23
#53
Posted 04 March 2001 - 17:31
#54
Posted 04 March 2001 - 18:50
The Dywa team entered the car for the 1985 Silverstone International Trophy, the first ever F3000 race, to be driven by (I think) Peo Consonni, but they didn't arrive. It was reported that their transporter had been involved in a road accident on the way to England from Italy and the (ahem!) racing car damaged beyond immediate repair.
This didn't prevent F1 aspirant Fulvio-Maria Ballabio from buying the car's remains, rebuilding it, and christening it the Montecarlo GP001. It's only appearance was at Imola in 1986, where one observer described it as a cross between a McLaren MP4 and a farm tractor!
The only photo that I ever saw of it was in an advertisement in one of the Le Mans yearbooks (possibly the 1987 edition). The photograph was taken at the car's launch in Monaco, with Honorary team patron Prince Albert of Monaco!
Cheers, Paul
#55
Posted 04 March 2001 - 19:22
a) Who was that superstar driver?
b) Which team wanted to run a) and Ballabio?
c) Who was the sponsor?
#56
Posted 04 March 2001 - 19:36
The deal was to have been with the Spirit team, with Emerson Fittipaldi as team leader.
The sponsor would have been the Disney Corporation via Ballabio's father, who owned the licences for the Disney characters in Italy (Topolino, aka Mickey Mouse, etc.). Burago toy cars were also involved.
Allegedly the deal fell through because Ballabio was refused a superlicence, and upon hearing this, his father dropped dead of a heart attack, having set his heart (excuse the pun) on his son becoming a Grand Prix driver.
Of course, this is from memory, so I may be completely wrong!
Cheers, Paul
#57
Posted 04 March 2001 - 21:14
and Emmo...
Felix
#58
Posted 04 March 2001 - 22:09
Next quiz, at which time of day is the Emmo shot taken?;)
BTW, I can't see any Burago stickers...
#59
Posted 04 March 2001 - 22:19
Sounds like I need to add a DNA (did not arrive) for a F3000 Dywa at the 1985 Int Trophy and a DNQ for a 'Monte Carlo 001' at Imola in June 1986.
Thanks for helping me with those two omissions.
Allen
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#60
Posted 04 March 2001 - 22:25
Burago did sponsor Ballabio's F3000 Lola at Donington Park in 1985, so that's probably what I was thinking of.
BTW, didn't Fulvio later become a successful powerboat racer, along with his fellow F2 / F3000 journeymen Lambert Leoni and Aldo Bertuzzi?
Cheers, Paul
#61
Posted 04 March 2001 - 22:27
#62
Posted 04 March 2001 - 22:32
#63
Posted 04 March 2001 - 23:44
And damn, I missed it again! I had post #200,002 and now #300,078!
#64
Posted 05 March 2001 - 21:49
Originally posted by Megatron
The Life was actually a devolpement of the 1989 car that NEVER turned a lap at all.
The car was basically built to "highlight" the W12 engine.
Megatron: it's even worse. The car was basically *bought* to highlight the engine!
The '89 car you are talking about was not a Life as such but in fact was the stillborn First car. This was the car that was to lift Lamberto Leoni's First F3000 team into F1 (it was tested by First regular Tarquini) but of course this never happened. It was designed for the Judd engine, so Life in fact reverted to the original engine for the car in the course of 1990!
Patrick: the French W12 engine you mention was the MGN which was tested in the back of an AGS hack around the same time as the Life. More on that in Rainer's excellent article Engine Failures on 8W.
GP cars and engines so bad that they never even raced could be another interesting part of this thread...;)
#65
Posted 05 March 2001 - 22:07
Originally posted by fines
Somewhere I've seen a picture of the car, it really looked ridiculous!
Michael, would that be here?
http://home.wanadoo....wteam/dywa1.jpg
http://home.wanadoo....wteam/dywa2.jpg
http://home.wanadoo....wteam/dywa3.jpg
But, errm, looking at the radiator mountings and the lack of any meaningful sidepods (where did they put the skirts!) it could be argued that it was, well, somewhat ahead of time! I mean, a 1980 car looking like a 1983 Ligier? Or is that why the JS21 also failed miserably?;)
#66
Posted 06 March 2001 - 21:37
#67
Posted 22 October 2001 - 21:42
The car should have been driven by Peo Consonni, who, in my memory, also owned the team.
The sidepods were exactly as these shown in the pictures : then a possible explanation is that these pictures are from F3000 testing in 1984 (?) and not from 1980 F. Aurora.
#68
Posted 23 October 2001 - 19:24
#69
Posted 23 October 2001 - 19:51
#70
Posted 23 October 2001 - 19:56
Originally posted by Barry Boor
Zippy, I cannot accept the Scarab. It was a very fair car for its time. Unfortunately, its time was 1958 and it didn't appear until 1960.
Bingo! I totally agree! It was a decent car that just took too long for it make its way into action.
#71
Posted 23 October 2001 - 20:06
Lapped Imola in a time something like 7' 42".
#72
Posted 23 October 2001 - 20:41
This was one funny and informative thread
#73
Posted 23 October 2001 - 20:53
Except the one I built for slot-racing; that went reasonably well!!!!!
#74
Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:41
#75
Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:02
Some real horrors to look at there.
#76
Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:31
If you want pics in its Aurora form, see here. A picture of the Dywa actually trying to qualify though seems to be about as rare as a Jean-Pierre Frey lap record.
#77
Posted 06 January 2013 - 13:28
#78
Posted 06 January 2013 - 15:28
#79
Posted 06 January 2013 - 18:10
Looking for pictures of the Dywa (since the old links above were broken), I cam across this site: http://f1minardi.fre...1neverraced.htm
Some real horrors to look at there.
Just down from the top of the linked page is the Gleed-MG. Believe it or not, there was a pukka R-type engine in there, not such a horror, just real scary!
JH
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#80
Posted 06 January 2013 - 18:45
Other contenders might be the Apollon (but that was in a second like, having been a Williams originally), the first Maki, or any of the Merzarios.
However, reading the above nothing could be as bad as the Dywa.
Paul M
#81
Posted 06 January 2013 - 22:49
#82
Posted 08 January 2013 - 20:57
Errr... they're on the underside of the front suspension rocker arms!;)
Burago did sponsor Ballabio's F3000 Lola at Donington Park in 1985, so that's probably what I was thinking of.
BTW, didn't Fulvio later become a successful powerboat racer, along with his fellow F2 / F3000 journeymen Lambert Leoni and Aldo Bertuzzi?
Cheers, Paul
Yep, Ballabio was good in powerboat-racing. Had "the pleasure" of being a passenger on his Offshore Class1 Boat once, but never again
#83
Posted 09 January 2013 - 16:32
Perhaps one must consider the budget which was available before coming to a final conclusion. Big budget-crap car surely weighs heavier than small budget-crap car.
And the persons involved!
You´d think that a project managed by Carl Haas and Teddy Mayer with an car designed
and built under the supervision of Neil Oatley, Ross Brawn and Adrian Newey, the engine
constructed by Keith Ducksworth and driven by Alan Jones should gather more than six
points in two years.
Christer
#84
Posted 24 June 2013 - 18:05
#85
Posted 25 June 2013 - 03:36
Barry, like many I have read your article about the car and the team. At least your car started a GP. And from what I read it could have been a competitive backmarker with a few more dollars to run it. So that makes it far better than some mentioned. Though ofcourse having a Cosworth helped as at least they were comparitivly simple and reliable compared with the restIf you are going to the story via my website, it took you to Franco Varani's Motor Racing Retro site. Unfortunately, Crosswinds have lost a lot of Franco's stuff. I suspect that is the problem.
The story can be read, as far as I know, on the F1 Test Site, which I seem to have lost the URL for. I'll check it up.
Obviously, Roger, I need to insert my story onto my own site. That would simplify matters, wouldn't it?
I wondered if anyone would attach the 'worst grand prix car' tag to the Connew eventually. I cannot argue with anyone who puts us in that bracket.