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#101 Wander

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 18:08

The point is that the car with the better pace should be ahead. I am mixed on the issue, but I basically agree with the sentiment. Monaco is a sort of a special case anyway, but you have to be able to keep it together for a race distance and that in itself is enough reason to run the race, even if overtaking is near impossible.

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#102 Bloggsworth

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 19:16

What, so having pointless, constant overtaking is better even though it simply comes from pressing a button, rather than having some skill?


No - What we really really need is, after 2 hours, for all the cars to finish in exactly the same order as they started, because even if the following car is 4 seconds a lap quicker (Ask David Coulthard) you can't pass at Monaco...


#103 phil1993

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 19:31

I don't know what the solution is, but the race was utterly dreadful. Devoid of action. I don't think it helps that the engines sound like a mix between a lawnmower and a tractor.

#104 billm99uk

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 20:03

I don't know what the solution is, but the race was utterly dreadful. Devoid of action. I don't think it helps that the engines sound like a mix between a lawnmower and a tractor.


I vote for "farting camel"  ;)

It's even worse when you're there, unfortunately :cry:


#105 William Hunt

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 15:53

2nd Monaco race will start in an instant

#106 Wander

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 15:56

I'm surprised if we see a single proper overtake after the first lap :lol:

#107 William Hunt

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 15:59

big crash in 1st corner, one car upside down in the barriers, I think it's Powell.

#108 William Hunt

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:00

It's Buller

#109 William Hunt

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:00

Will Buller's not injured, fortunately. Stockinger is leading behind safety car

#110 PEW

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:02

Looked scary - good to see him get out by himself :up: :up:

#111 jamiegc

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:08

Jorda 4 seconds per lap slower than anyone else

#112 blackonyx4

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:17

that idiot russian should be banned for life

#113 Wander

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:18

Worst director ever showing De Costa when so much was going on in the lead.

#114 PEW

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:19

Another scary shunt -phew.

#115 William Hunt

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:20

that was a heavy crash from Conor Daly, he's so lucky to be ok.

#116 Szoelloe

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:21

That looked real scary

#117 y2cwr2005

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:21

Very dangerous move their, just inches from going over the fencing!! Could have been pitched into construction site outside of the tunnel.

#118 the9th

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:21

Worst director ever showing De Costa when so much was going on in the lead.

da Costa is 2nd...

#119 HaydenFan

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:22

that idiot russian should be banned for life


Stupid move by the kid. He had more than 2 moves. Moved inside, acceptable. Moved outside, stupid, against the rules, but everyone involved will get over it, but then braked much too early, leaving Daly in the catch fence.



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#120 ForzaGTR

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:22

My word, that was horribly unprofessional driving from both drivers, terrible crash. Glad Daly is okay. So lucky none of the wheels hit any other drivers too.

#121 tarmac

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:23

Would that fence last a F1..

#122 Wander

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:26

da Costa is 2nd...


Sorry, meant to say much going on in the back and nothing in the lead.

Edited by Wander, 26 May 2012 - 16:27.


#123 y2cwr2005

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:27

Definitely not! That same incident at F1 speeds would've been a whole different story.

#124 jamiegc

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:29

My word, that was horribly unprofessional driving from both drivers, terrible crash. Glad Daly is okay. So lucky none of the wheels hit any other drivers too.


The wheel landed on someone's car but bounced off the roll hoop. Incredibly lucky.

#125 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:35

When did the rear wing come off? And I assume you can only get black flagged at the start/finish line?

#126 Wander

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:35

When did the rear wing come off? And I assume you can only get black flagged at the start/finish line?


A couple of laps previous, Daly hit his rear in the hairpin.

#127 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:46

So wtf is a car allowed to run around without a rear wing?

#128 D.M.N.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:48

Video -

Suranovich should have pitted. Don't they use team radios in GP3?

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:51

Suranovich was wrong for moving around and causing the accident, but to say that 'he should have pitted/been black flagged' is bogus.

He successfully held them for 3 laps with no rear wing. GP3's are not that aero dependant. If it was flapping around, likely to fall off, THEN it is a black/orange flag. But the car was perfectly drivable.

Now, go back to Nanny.

P.S - Glad Conor is ok.

#130 jrg19

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:55

Insane crash looks worse in slow motion.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:57

An atrocious accident that should never have happened in the first place. I'm sorry, but I don't care if Suranovich was able to hold off Daly without a rear wing - it is still fundamentally a safety hazard. Why he wasn't black flagged is beyond me.

#132 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 16:57

Suranovich was wrong for moving around and causing the accident, but to say that 'he should have pitted/been black flagged' is bogus.

He successfully held them for 3 laps with no rear wing. GP3's are not that aero dependant. If it was flapping around, likely to fall off, THEN it is a black/orange flag. But the car was perfectly drivable.

Now, go back to Nanny.

P.S - Glad Conor is ok.


Would it have passed post-race tech without a wing? That should be enough for the stewards to make a judgement call(sensibility being rare in European racing) and tell him to come in.

#133 Bleu

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 18:07

Suranovich didn't pull into the pits even after that Daly crash. If the catchfence wasn't damaged which would have allowed race to continue, there could have been another accident. Also worth of note that in the final results, there is a gap of minute between him and Visoiu, the driver who finished just ahead of him. At the point where results were taken, the drivers were already behind SC, hence Visoiu was only ten seconds behind Stöckinger.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 19:22

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We may not see Suranovich for a while. I have it on impeccable authority that post race he flipped off the chief steward. No shit.
8:20 PM - 26 May 12

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 19:24

I blame this man:

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#136 jamiegc

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 19:38

The irony of Daly's crash is that he was the one who wrecked Suranovich's car in the first place before using it as a launch ramp.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 19:43

The irony of Daly's crash is that he was the one who wrecked Suranovich's car in the first place before using it as a launch ramp.


It's not irony. It just shows that even without a rear wing, overtaking at Monaco is a pain the butt. And once Daly had a run, he gets crashed out.

#138 Fulcrum

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 19:49

from Beaux Barfield's twitter:

Beaux Barfield:
@DionvmRacing @conordaly22 Defending with no rear wing and no prayer of a result-unacceptable. Ban for season. #NoWingNoPrayer



#139 jamiegc

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 19:50

It's not irony. It just shows that even without a rear wing, overtaking at Monaco is a pain the butt. And once Daly had a run, he gets crashed out.


It is ironic that Dalys impatience ruined Suranovich's race, and then in turn ruined his race and couldve seriously injured him or worse.

BTW it turns out Suranovich was being black/orange flagged and was DSQ'ed.

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#140 Disgrace

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 20:00

How long have they got to respond to the black and orange?

Edited by Disgrace, 26 May 2012 - 20:04.


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Posted 26 May 2012 - 20:15

Dmitry Suranovich excluded from Monaco Race 2 Classification

Following an incident between Dmitry Suranovich (Marussia Manor Racing) and Conor Daly (Lotus GP) in Monaco Race 2, stewards have decided to exclude the Russian from today's race classification.

As Suranovich and Daly exited the tunnel towards the end of the event, contact was made after Suranovich failed to comply with a black and orange signal flag signal after he had lost his rear wing. Daly's Lotus became airborne after hitting the back of Suranovich and the accident put the American out of the race. Suranovich finished the race P11. However after the race, the Marussia Manor Racing driver was excluded from the Race classification.

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#142 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 20:21

Wow. Harsh.

#143 Bleu

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 20:24

How long have they got to respond to the black and orange?


I think it is first lap. Or basically second if it's announced through race control first.

#144 Wander

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 20:24

How long have they got to respond to the black and orange?

3 laps iirc

#145 David M. Kane

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 21:26

Would that fence last a F1..


Good question what is the weight difference, a few hundred pounds could have made a BIG difference. Having said that the safety features on the car worked.

#146 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 21:50

Well a few hundred more pounds of weight and downforce would have kept it from going so high too.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 21:52

TBH I don't think that losing the rear wing was causing him that much pain; the car wasn't oversteering wildly, and if you can't get past someone in a damaged and slower car you shouldn't be racing.
I wouldn't put so much blame on the Manor driver. I'd say that it's not inconcievable that he did not know that he was missing the entire rear wing.

I apologise for any incoherance and lack of fully explaining my thoughts in my posts; I'm doing other things at the same time!

#148 Andrew Hope

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 22:54

Wasn't that bad, really. If he was a legend in the making he'd be a hero for trying to bring a dying car home with bits and pieces missing off it, but since he's some nobody in GP3 it was stupid driving and he should be banned for the season, apparently. Scary stuff and probably not the smartest driving from anyone concerned but a far cry from driving the wrong way around the track trying to take out your rivals like it's being made out to be some of the places you can read about the accident.

#149 Les

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 00:19

I'm presuming 'flipped off the race steward' means he slapped him? Also no doubt that the drove like an idiot today. However...

From what I've read the guy is 16 and more likely than not pretty immature, I know I was at 16! I hope he gets a deserving punishment (probably a 1 or 2 race ban in my book) but is able to come back at the end of it having hopefully learnt his lesson and given a second chance.

Another thought is what are 16 year olds doing driving racing cars at this level? Maybe its just me though?

#150 plastik2k9

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 00:25

Another thought is what are 16 year olds doing driving racing cars at this level? Maybe its just me though?

If they're good enough I see no problem. Vettel was in F1 at 19, which is at least 2 major steps from GP3. And he's a double world champion now :)