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#4001 Lights

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:33

I don't understand that communication. Andy has just told Lewis he is in fifth, so why would Lewis respond asking to know what position he is in.

It's from bottom to top.

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#4002 OO7

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:35

It's from bottom to top.

Silly me :blush:
Cheers Lights.

#4003 Hulkster

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:37

I don't understand that communication. Andy has just told Lewis he is in fifth, so why would Lewis respond asking to know what position he is in.


Maybe he just did t hear him clearly.

Or maybe it was a little confusing being told he was in fifth but then told about the split to FIRST.

#4004 peroa

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:39

I don't understand that communication. Andy has just told Lewis he is in fifth, so why would Lewis respond asking to know what position he is in.

Lewis asked first.
http://www.mclaren.c...epage_Button_F1
The tracker is updating from the top.

Edited by peroa, 27 May 2012 - 15:40.


#4005 AMG FAN

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:45

so this marks and end to any advantage Button had over Lewis...nothing for Button fans to hang onto to claim Button is better :p

#4006 Lights

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:46

Well done to Lewis though, first time since Singapore 2011 that he has scored more points than Jenson overall. 530-529 it is. Come on Jenson...

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:47

so this marks and end to any advantage Button had over Lewis...nothing for Button fans to hang onto to claim Button is better :p

Button still has more podiums.

#4008 AMG FAN

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:49

Button still has more podiums.

no one cares about career podiums,it's career points and career wins that matter lol....let's also not forget that Jenson is yet to beat Lewis in qualifying over the course of a season.

Edited by AMG FAN, 27 May 2012 - 15:52.


#4009 Lights

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:50

Button still has more podiums.

That's just because Buttons driving is riskier, whereas Hamilton just cruises for points.

#4010 OO7

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:52

That's just because Buttons driving is riskier, whereas Hamilton just cruises for points.

I don't think so.

#4011 Boxerevo

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:54

That's just because Buttons driving is riskier, whereas Hamilton just cruises for points.

:cool:

#4012 AMG FAN

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:54

I don't think so.

was it really that hard to detect the sarcasm in his post :p

#4013 Kvothe

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:55

Well done to Lewis though, first time since Singapore 2011 that he has scored more points than Jenson overall. 530-529 it is. Come on Jenson...


Wel....l if it stops Lazy bringing it up every weekend :p

Edited by Kvothe, 27 May 2012 - 15:55.


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:57

so this marks and end to any advantage Button had over Lewis...nothing for Button fans to hang onto to claim Button is better :p


There will be always Button's loyal fans like Lights and Lazy(who is little bitter i must say but still).
Rineheart and others have just disappeared, but i expect them to come alive when BUT will win races.

#4015 AMG FAN

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:59

There will be always Button's loyal fans like Lights and Lazy(who is little bitter i must say but still).
Rineheart and others have just disappeared, but i expect them to come alive when BUT will win races.

its okay,they'll soon start clinging onto "he has more podiums"..very soon it would be "his hair is longer than Lewis hair" :p

#4016 OO7

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 15:59

was it really that hard to detect the sarcasm in his post :p

After I posted I thought as much, but sometimes its difficult to tell in this thread.

#4017 MP422

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 16:00

Lewis gets the weekend, not the result we were all hoping for but good points today. After a few more races if Lewis sticks a couple podiums and Jenson's current trend continues maybe Mclaren will get behind Lewis. He appears to be the best chance at a title due to his consistent qualifying performances.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 16:12

Wel....l if it stops Lazy bringing it up every weekend :p

:smoking:

For sure he told that so much that jinxed.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 16:15

Well Lewis gave Jenson an absolute monstering this weekend - even Massa was closer to Alonso than JB was to LH!!

McLaren's season is rapidly falling apart, and I bet they're really regretting not capitalising on their pace early on... :(

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#4020 TheBunk

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 16:20

Well Lewis gave Jenson an absolute monstering this weekend - even Massa was closer to Alonso than JB was to LH!!

McLaren's season is rapidly falling apart, and I bet they're really regretting not capitalising on their pace early on... :(


Good point. Button might be moaning a lot, but if Mclaren are serious about their championships, they better start doing something to help Jenson get better results.



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Posted 27 May 2012 - 16:22

There will be always Button's loyal fans like Lights and Lazy(who is little bitter i must say but still).
Rineheart and others have just disappeared, but i expect them to come alive when BUT will win races.


NEVER. We are here through thick and thin. It's painful, but Jenson will bounce back. We are talking about a guy who came from last to win the Canadian Grand Prix last year. :up:

#4022 The Ragged Edge

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 17:09

From my perspective, not a great weekend for either driver. Hamilton was correct to be p1$$ed off, for losing 2 places during the race and Button simply had a nightmare. Nothing for either driver to be upbeat about. Their race pace seems to be hit and miss. :well: Nothing more to add really. Roll on Canada.

#4023 Peter Perfect

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 17:27

There will be always Button's loyal fans like Lights and Lazy(who is little bitter i must say but still).
Rineheart and others have just disappeared, but i expect them to come alive when BUT will win races.


We're still here ;) As a fan of Button I've supported him through far worse times than this. 2001 springs to mind, it's never been worse than that!

Did anyone else hear Jaime Alguersuari say on the BBC that the Pirellis don't respond well to braking/accelerating while cornering? I'm wondering if that's part of Buttons issue this year. He's a smooth driver who's whole style is based on blending the brake/throttle through the corner and if the tyres don't allow that then even if he manages to work out a set-up that gets the tyres into their operating window he's never going to be able to put in the laps he's truly capable of.


#4024 Lazy

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 17:31

There will be always Button's loyal fans like Lights and Lazy(who is little bitter i must say but still).
Rineheart and others have just disappeared, but i expect them to come alive when BUT will win races.


Lol.

You should see yourselves when Lewis loses :D

#4025 enrm6

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 17:35

I think there was.

Kovy also had a collision with Perez, but I don't think his wing was so badly damaged in that incident. So it looks like Jenson and Kovy came together pretty hard, Jenson retired and Kovy had to change his wing.

No way did they just park the car, with rain coming down the situation could have changed.


Ah well, at least he had a go. I can't imagine anything more frustrating.

I hope the team find a way forward for Jenson next time out because it's damn depressing at the moment. Especially with all the gloaters round here.

Edited by enrm6, 27 May 2012 - 18:06.


#4026 PretentiousBread

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 17:53

We're still here ;) As a fan of Button I've supported him through far worse times than this. 2001 springs to mind, it's never been worse than that!

Did anyone else hear Jaime Alguersuari say on the BBC that the Pirellis don't respond well to braking/accelerating while cornering? I'm wondering if that's part of Buttons issue this year. He's a smooth driver who's whole style is based on blending the brake/throttle through the corner and if the tyres don't allow that then even if he manages to work out a set-up that gets the tyres into their operating window he's never going to be able to put in the laps he's truly capable of.


That's very old news. The Pirellis were like that last year too. As I've said already the EBD helped keep the car balance within his narrower operating window, that's the main reason IMO for why he was so consistently fast in 2011 compared to 2010. Ted Kravitz reported JB's main problem this weekend being instability under braking, which is precisely what the EBD cured. His form this year is much more akin to 2010 where he blew hot and cold. It's not that every weekend is going to be like Barcelona and Monaco for him, but I think we could see some more, whereas last year he only had one at the Nurburgring.

#4027 Peter Perfect

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 18:59

That's very old news. The Pirellis were like that last year too. As I've said already the EBD helped keep the car balance within his narrower operating window, that's the main reason IMO for why he was so consistently fast in 2011 compared to 2010. Ted Kravitz reported JB's main problem this weekend being instability under braking, which is precisely what the EBD cured. His form this year is much more akin to 2010 where he blew hot and cold. It's not that every weekend is going to be like Barcelona and Monaco for him, but I think we could see some more, whereas last year he only had one at the Nurburgring.



I thought that was just the diffuser? ;)

#4028 PretentiousBread

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 19:43

I thought that was just the diffuser?;)


Heh, as soon as posted that I regretted that comment.

#4029 PretentiousBread

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 09:49

Anyone else notice how long it took for the leaders to start lapping backmarkers? Took about 35 laps before they started coming up on the backmarkers. Compare that to 2007 when they were lapping cars after about 15 laps, yet the grid was separated by 3 seconds in 2007 and 5 seconds in 2012. Button not that much faster than Kovalainen in the race - a giant tyre conservation exercise.

#4030 CookinFlatSix

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 12:14

It's verging on disrespectful to Lewis to be comparing him to Jenson

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 12:27

Heikki v Jenson discussion (and the 'if this had been Lewis...' complaints) split. This thread is for Jenson v Lewis please.

http://forums.autosp...howtopic=168446

#4032 mlsnoopy

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 12:33

Good point. Button might be moaning a lot, but if Mclaren are serious about their championships, they better start doing something to help Jenson get better results.


I don't understand these post. If McLaren are serious they should be helping Button? Sorry but Hamilton is the driver that is performing, that is bringing home points despite the team doing their best to destroy his races. The team must focus on Hamilton, stop making mistakes and help him to a few wins.

#4033 maverick69

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 12:38

I don't understand these post. If McLaren are serious they should be helping Button? Sorry but Hamilton is the driver that is performing, that is bringing home points despite the team doing their best to destroy his races. The team must focus on Hamilton, stop making mistakes and help him to a few wins.


As for the rest of the post - I think it's becoming pretty clear that McLaren need to start "backing" both drivers in a more effective manner.

Yes Lewis is looking (by far) the strongest driver given the current set of circumstances - but if he is to mount a serious challenge, with all the variability we have at the moment, then he's gonna have to have a teammate who can help him out should he need it..... and that's if JB doesn't suddenly sort out his qualy woes which will naturally bring him back into the mix.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 13:24

The car wasn't fast enough like it was last year for Jenson to get a good Quali position, where as Lewis just got the most out of what he had.

Jenson is going to struggle badly if he doesn't sort his Quali out, unlike last year when the Mclaren was awesome in race trim, this year is a different story.

#4035 Kvothe

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 13:32

i agree that if the field is more competative then Lewis with the better qualifying pace would undoubtedly benefit from this at the expense of Jenson. Of course Jenson is perfectly capable of putting in very fast laps, and beating Lewis but if he has a weakness its this, and his starts.


Nothing new here, Its just two tracks which are notoriously hard to overtake on, i expect a better race from JB in Canada!

Edited by Kvothe, 28 May 2012 - 13:33.


#4036 F1Newbie

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 15:38

What's happening to Button? He seems unable to beat Lewis as predicted. He's not even consistent and smooth anymore. I wonder what Sir Stirling Moss and co are thinking now.

Edited by F1Newbie, 28 May 2012 - 15:47.


#4037 Towny

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 18:58

I think what where seeing now is what we've always known, lewis can get every tenth out of a car, where as button needs a car thats predictable and thats a big problem for button because the fields so tight at the moment, personally i think but will get on top of his problems its just taking a bit of time.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 21:02

It's verging on disrespectful to Lewis to be comparing him to Jenson


Could be much worse.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 21:11

It's verging on disrespectful to Lewis to be comparing him to Jenson


I think that's very harsh. Hamilton is one of many very talented F1 drivers. Jenson has different strengths and weakenesses to Lews. They are not that far away in points and a couple of strong finishes could leapfrog Jenson back in front of Lewis again

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#4040 Sinceref189

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 21:36

I think that's very harsh. Hamilton is one of many very talented F1 drivers. Jenson has different strengths and weakenesses to Lews. They are not that far away in points and a couple of strong finishes could leapfrog Jenson back in front of Lewis again

:up: There's no way im counting button out there's still 14 races left anything can happen

#4041 spaforever

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 09:12

Lol.

You should see yourselves when Lewis loses :D

lol i thought that you guys should be immune to that by now :rotfl:

#4042 sofarapartguy

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 17:29

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