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#51 eta

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 11:22

1€ on alonso -> profit 50€ ...but nothing compared to the joy of alonso winning :)

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#52 zepunishment

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 15:35

Did anyone here put an each way on perez?

#53 joshb

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 15:37

So far
£5 Webber podium 2/1
£5 Webber to beat Vettel 7/4


Spent £10 Returned 13.75
so its been a good weekend on the betting front, just a very bad one in terms of Seb doing the job

#54 WhiteBlue

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 21:07

Here are the championship points and odds after the second race. I was busy with other things so the odds are from today Thursday after the race. There is a typo in the data table btw. The date was 29.03. and not 29.04. The typo will be corrected after the next race. I shall not redo all the graphics again this time.

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Alonso takes the lead in the WDC table. Perez, Räikkönen and Senna are all doing well due to their good jobs in Malaysia.

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McLaren and Red Bull still lead the WCC. Ferrari have caught up with third place. Mercedes could not convert quali pace into points.

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The data table with the match odds pies is interesting. Despite leading Vettel in the points Webber is still not considered anywhere near Vettel. The Ferrari could as well have only one driver. Schumacher has the upper hand over Rosberg as has Räikkönen over Grosjean at Lotus in the odds.

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Vettel has now fallen back to P3 but basically on the same level as Hamilton and Button. Every race can change the order between those three. Alonso has closed his gap considerably and kept his championship hopes alive despite his weak F2012. Webber and Räikkönen have done very well to come up to P5 and P6 respectively. But Räikkönen is in danger to loose the touch with the leaders. The Merc boys look like they are out of the game already.

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The WCC odds look like a McLaren vs Red Bull year again. Ferrari and the others are far behind atm.

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#55 olliek88

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 13:12

Just put a tenner on Kimi to get the win tomorrow at 10.5, a long shot but with the Merc eating their tyres can't help but think he has half a chance. *Touches wood.

#56 Mackey

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 13:20

Just put a tenner on Kimi to get the win tomorrow at 10.5, a long shot but with the Merc eating their tyres can't help but think he has half a chance. *Touches wood.


I put some on Koba winning at 14/1.

Tomorrow we´ll see if Kobayashi is WDC material or not.


#57 KavB

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 13:25

Thank you Nico for winning me £45! Tempted to take a punt on Raikkonen as well.

#58 Mackey

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 13:26

Thank you Nico for winning me £45! Tempted to take a punt on Raikkonen as well.


Yeah, Kimi is in a fantastic position to win the race. If he gets past Kobayashi soon he has the car and the experience to win the race.

Edited by Mackey, 14 April 2012 - 13:27.


#59 Tsarwash

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 18:08

Just reposting from the thread that was abruptly closed. (I didn't know about this one.)
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I'm not a betting person as such, as I tend to assume that all of the odds are in the favour of the bookies. But I saw some odds the other day that I thought were too good to miss, and so I put a fiver on it. The odds were for Mark Webber winning the WDC, at 16 to 1, which I thought were just to generous to pass up, so I put a bet on that yesterday. He is in the second best car in race and maybe third best in quali. The regulations seem to suit him better this year than last, and he has scored pretty consistently so far. I think the correct odds for him might be 8 to 1, So I think that it's worth a little punt. If he gets a podium this weekend, I suspect that his odds of winning the WDC will slip down quite a bit.

Anybody else bet on F1 from time to time ? Has anybody else seen some good odds that they want to share with us ?
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#60 sumpthy

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 19:57

£5 on Vettel at 25-1. Stranger things have happened.

#61 joshb

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 22:26

Another good da on the betting, even if the result was dire

£5 e/w on Rosberg at 11/1 (Profit £66)
£5 Webber to beat Vettel at 11/8 (or maybe 13/8) (Proft about £6)

#62 joshb

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 22:27

£5 on Vettel at 25-1. Stranger things have happened.


Like him missing out on Q3 today...
I'm tempted to lump some on Kobayashi each way. good pace, good at keeping tyres good, why not?

#63 BillBald

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 22:54

Having just won a few quid from backing Rosberg in quali, I'm now hoping to win some more by betting against him in the race. :)



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Posted 15 April 2012 - 13:21

Here are the updates on the point tables and odds history

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Both Hamilton and Button have overtaken Alonso. Rosberg made a big jump to P6.

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The constructor points look more like something that is developing into an order. Merc and Lotus have still scored below value IMO. That means in the actual standing Ferrari and Sauber are probably over rated.

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In the match odds for the driver pairings Alonso dominates Massa totally followed by Räikkönen over Grosjean, Vettel over Webber and Rosberg over Schumacher. Hamilton over Button is the most equal driver pairing.

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In the WDC odds the top three drivers are unchanged in the order. Vettel lost ground due to the lack of pace but he is still the Red Bull top driver by a huge margin in the view of the betting money. Alonso, Rosberg and Webber are also in the hunt but they have substantially less support. Rosberg's situation could change very quickly if the Merc is a good as the Chinese result seems to indicate.

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McLaren are still seen as the team to beat followed by Red Bull. This seems to indicate that Red Bull are likely to fix their pace problem shortly. Mercedes has made huge progress and could be a danger to Red Bull if they continue to keep the tyre problem in hand. Ferrari are still nowhere near the pace of the leaders and are loosing ground in the WCC odds.

#65 BillBald

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 22:42

Having just won a few quid from backing Rosberg in quali, I'm now hoping to win some more by betting against him in the race. :)


:blush: :blush: :blush:



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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:04

What do you think about Nico grabbing pole again in Bahrain? DDRS is massive advantage and it can be used in lots of % of one lap.
Odds 5/1 in favor at my local bookie...

100€ * 5 = :clap:

#67 KirilVarbanov

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:12

Not a gambler by nature, but this year's championship is going to be decided by two things:
1. Mclaren being able to capitalize their advantage - so far they (both LH and JB) look the strongest candidates having the best balanced car.
2. The temperatures throughout the races - I'm not joking - the tires are very dependent on low and high temps. Looking forward to hot day races to confirm or reject that.

#68 WhiteBlue

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:05

Here a quick update on who is winning and the odds

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Vettel takes the lead in the championship and Räikkönen makes mighty progress. Down to him the table looks like all down to him can win the championship.

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Red Bull takes the lead from McLaren in the constructors and Ferrari falls back to P4 being displaced by mighty points scoring Lotus in Bahrain.

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The data table and the match odds show more domination of Hamilton over Button and Vettel over Webber.

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In the WDC odds Vettel takes the lead back from Hamilton and Button. This is the first time that Vettel leads the table and the odds this season. Räikkönen displaces the luckless Schumacher from P7 and that is the only change. Down to Räikkönen all drivers seem to have a decent chance for the drivers crown but the odds are clearly pointing to a race between Vettel and the McLaren drivers.

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The WCC odds still favour McLaren over Red Bull although the bulls have taken the lead in the championship. The betting money is still convinced of the McLaren quality. The betters have given up on Ferrari and now see Lotus on P4 for the championship with Ferrari falling to P5.

#69 Tsarwash

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:34

I still can't believe that they think Webber has a worse than one in twenty chance of winning it. That's not right.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 13:34

Just had a couple of flutters, one a long shot and one a safer bet but far from certain.

Stuck £5 on Grosjean to win at 16/1, long i know but Lotus look good, you never know! The other is £6 (A funny amount i know, due to remain funds in my online account!) on Hamilton for pole at 4/1, surprised he wasn't shorter to be honest. Fingers crossed!

#71 joshb

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 14:18

Just had a couple of flutters, one a long shot and one a safer bet but far from certain.

Stuck £5 on Grosjean to win at 16/1, long i know but Lotus look good, you never know! The other is £6 (A funny amount i know, due to remain funds in my online account!) on Hamilton for pole at 4/1, surprised he wasn't shorter to be honest. Fingers crossed!


Good luckto those making a prediction for the win this race. I have no idea who'll do it.
I was annoyed though, that I didn't put £5 on Vettel at 14/1 each way for pole in Bahrain. Missed out on £87.50. When am I going to get Vettel pole at 14/1 again??? Last year I couldn't get near even money when he got on a roll.

#72 John Player

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 14:39

What were the odds for Schumacher wins in 2002 and 2004, anyone remembers?

#73 Dunder

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 14:55

What were the odds for Schumacher wins in 2002 and 2004, anyone remembers?


After pre-season testing, he was around 1/2 (1.50) in 2002.
Can't remember for 2004.


#74 joshb

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 20:59

What were the odds for Schumacher wins in 2002 and 2004, anyone remembers?


as with last year at times, you would've got less than even money before the event.
Perhaps 4/7 or 4/6
Vettel was 5/6 and 10/11 at times last year and was often 4/9 or 1/2 to take pole

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 21:27

I was owned by Bwin today, wasn't watching FP2 but keeping a casual eye on it when I see Vettel in 2nd and his odds of winning the session at 21.0!! I was a little baffled and naturally I put 1€ in it, only to watch the entire grid failing to improve their times the remaining 30 minutes.

I've no idea what happened there, everyone ran out of tyres? Everyone running high fuel, doing race stint sims? Rain, despite the fact F1 live timing said the weather was fine? Any other weird variable making the track much slower? Every lap by every driver seemed about 5 seconds slower than their bests.

#76 Dunder

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 21:29

I was owned by Bwin today, wasn't watching FP2 but keeping a casual eye on it when I see Vettel in 2nd and his odds of winning the session at 21.0!! I was a little baffled and naturally I put 1€ in it, only to watch the entire grid failing to improve their times the remaining 30 minutes.

I've no idea what happened there, everyone ran out of tyres? Everyone running high fuel, doing race stint sims? Rain, despite the fact F1 live timing said the weather was fine? Any other weird variable making the track much slower? Every lap by every driver seemed about 5 seconds slower than their bests.


Everyone had done their fast lap on low fuel/soft tyres and moved on to heavy fuel runs.
It's the standard MO for FP2 albeit they did the 'quali sim' a bit earlier today than normal, probably because they wanted to run both tyres with heavy cars.

Edited by Dunder, 11 May 2012 - 21:31.


#77 MrMontecarlo

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:26

Oh, I hadn't seen this thread.
Some days ago I put a couple of euros on a Bruno Senna win in Monaco at 101. :lol:

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 10:02

Gosh - Aren't the graphs in pretty colours.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:01

i think a couple of bucks are worth it on maldonado for monaco win and hamilton , what is the odds on maldonado ?

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#80 MrMontecarlo

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 15:21

i think a couple of bucks are worth it on maldonado for monaco win and hamilton , what is the odds on maldonado ?


21 on bwin

#81 Cavani

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 15:35

thats very low , why is that ? it should be north of 50

#82 Cavani

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 15:38

i checked again and it is 11 ?? what now ? everybody expects maldonado to win

#83 MrMontecarlo

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 15:38

thats very low , why is that ? it should be north of 50


Yeah quite low, I don't think it's worth it.
But it's also understandable, he's been the last GP winner after all.

#84 chdphd

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 18:37

I put on a few each way bets last week for the Monaco winner :D

£2 - Kimi Raikkonen @ 6/1
£2 - Kamui Kobayashi @ 50/1
£2 - Mark Webber @ 16/1
£4 - Michael Schumacher @ 40/1
£10 - Pastor Maldonado @ 16/1

#85 Cavani

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 18:41

that kid grojean is worth some good bucks , he is on fire this weekend

#86 sumpthy

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 19:06

that kid grojean is worth some good bucks , he is on fire this weekend


Massa looking decent too. With hid odds, he might be worth an each way bet if you're feeling lucky. I've put my money on Romain though.

#87 Tenmantaylor

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 06:51

Chdphd :up: F1 this season is worth picking a long shot winner with good odds such is the unpredictability. Don't know about you guys but I think picking a 7th different winner is actually pretty likely given Lewis' and Michael's form at Montreal and current form.

Best three bets going at the mo on betfair: Rosberg at 9.4, Schumi at 13.5 and Raikkonen at 14.5. Button at 13 too. Worth couple quid on these imo. Lewis is favourite at 5 but I don't think that's good long range value.

#88 chdphd

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 22:45

:up: Tenmantaylor

For Monaco, I got my stake back plus £5.20 :rotfl:

My bets this weekend (all each way):

Felipe Massa @ 33/1 £20.00
Kimi Raikkonen @ 12/1 £8.00
Romain Grosjean @ 14/1 £8.00

#89 Snic

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 22:47

Felipe Massa @ 33/1 £20.00


Felipe Massa @ 33/1 £20.00


Planned where you're going to fly off to with the winnings?

#90 ed24f1

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 08:11

In Australia, Massa's at 41/1 to win and 11/1 to get a podium - very tempting, but I don't want to jinx him as I've done before!



#91 joshb

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 11:46

Diamond of the day in todays paper was Vettel pole at 10s, certainly worth an each way punt if he can put it together and not mess about in Q1 up s.softs

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 14:44

Seb at 10 does sound good but Bahrain seems a long time ago now. With the rule changes RB have really gone backwards in Q form, they garnered a huge advantage from the EBD in Q last year so I don't see them getting many poles any time soon (people forget how many of Seb's poles last year were by tiny margins). They remain almost as strong in the race though so I think podium and each way on win will be good on Seb too.

What are they weather predictions? If it's looking cool like China Merc will be really strong.

#93 chdphd

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 14:52

Planned where you're going to fly off to with the winnings?

I quite fancy visiting the Faroe Islands :D

#94 Tenmantaylor

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 18:05

Did you put the bet on and make me eat my words? :D

#95 chdphd

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 16:19

Looks like William Hill won't honour my each way bet on Kimi.

#96 joshb

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 16:21

Alonso now evens for the title, Vettel 5/2 Webber 10/1 Hamilton 12/1 (i think)
RB odds on for constructors with Mclaren 7/1 Ferrari 10/1
That was when i checked oddschecker.



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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:07

Looks like William Hill won't honour my each way bet on Kimi.

Nope. So I used their live help:

Karl: Hi, you’re speaking to Karl. How may I help you?
Me: Hi,
Karl: Hello
Me: I had an each way on Kimi Raikkonen in Germany. He finished 4th but was promoted to 3rd. I expected some winnings. Can you explain? Thanks.
Karl: Let me check that for you. First, can I have the bet reference number, please?
Me: My ref is ************ . Official results here: http://www.formula1....eason/2012/873/
Karl: Thank you. Please give me 3 - 5 minutes to check this for you.
Me: OK
Karl: Thank you.
Karl: I will forward this concern to the Settling Department for investigation. We promise that once we receive an update from them, we will notify you immediately via your registered e-mail address with us.
Me: Thanks. Bye.
Karl: It is our pleasure to assist you. If you have other queries, please don't hesitate to contact us again. We are available 24/7.

Hmmm.

#98 Tenmantaylor

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:17

I know in Q some betting companies payout on session results before penalties or alterations. Do WH have a policy on result changes?

#99 chdphd

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 12:20

I got this email. Not entirely unexpected, but "Good Day!" it is not :rolleyes:

Good Day!

We are writing to inform you in connection to the settlement of your bet. Please note that our Settling Department stated that as with many events, Formula One races are settled on the result declared immediately after the race, any changes, disqualifications, drivers relegated in position, positions reversed for any reason will not be taken into account.

Alonzo won the race, Vettel finished second, Button finished third and Raikkonen finished in 4th position; therefore, we settled on Raikkonen being fourth as per our rules.

The start of any Grand Prix is defined as the signal to start the formation lap. The podium presentation will count as the result and any subsequent enquiries will not affect settlement of bets.

We hope this resolves your query. As you are a valued customer, William Hill is committed to providing our players with the betting markets and the best gambling experience available. Feel free to contact us again if you need any help and we are here to assist you in every possible way we can.

Kind regards,



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#100 joshb

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:47

Betting companies are w*****s, they always find an excuse not to give you money.

Latest odds
Alonso 11/10
Vettel 3
Hamilton 6
Webber 14
Kimi 25

Kimi must be worth a punt right now, definately each-way, if he can get the wins the car is capable of.
But just seen each way as of now if 1/3 places 1-2 and some companies are now into Win Only. This may change though later in the evening.

WCC
RB 1/3
Mclaren 11/2
Ferrari 18
Lotus 20 (some have him at 9s though)

But to be fair, I can't see past RB. Both drivers are generally gettin gthe best results (even if today they could've got Webber 5th)

Edited by joshb, 29 July 2012 - 14:49.