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#1 Owen

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 20:50

This is ace fun! My 2 stop stategy at Melbourne tanned Allen's ass.
http://www.jamesalle...egy-calculator/

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#2 dank

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 20:57

This is ace fun! My 2 stop stategy at Melbourne tanned Allen's ass.
http://www.jamesalle...egy-calculator/


Hmm, that is the only website I've ever known to kill Google Chrome.

#3 Owen

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 20:58

Hmm, that is the only website I've ever known to kill Google Chrome.

:( sorry

#4 dank

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 21:01

:( sorry


No need to apologise. Unless you had a hand in coding it of course...

#5 Owen

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 21:02

No need to apologise. Unless you had a hand in coding it of course...

:lol: that's a no. It is an interesting little excercise (if you can get it to work).

#6 karlth

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 21:06

Hmm, that is the only website I've ever known to kill Google Chrome.


Works on mine. Check to see if you have the latest version.

#7 Buttoneer

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 21:09

This is ace fun! My 2 stop stategy at Melbourne tanned Allen's ass.
http://www.jamesalle...egy-calculator/

What did you use?

My three-stop beat him by about 7 seconds. Stop 1 15: option, stop 2 30:prime, stop 3 45:option.

#8 Tenmantaylor

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 21:20

The only one I tried that didn't beat him convincingly was 1 stop.

First attempt was 3 stop and beat him by 3-4 seconds straight away, 2 stop by 5-7s.

Why would you choose used tyres? Bit of a pointless option.

Good idea though, like it :up:

Edited by Tenmantaylor, 16 March 2012 - 21:21.


#9 race addicted

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 21:22

Beat him by twenty seconds going for four stops. But, a four-stopper, means five stints. Why don't you have to pick tires for five stints then?

Stops at nine, 18, 35 and 46.

Edited by race addicted, 16 March 2012 - 21:23.


#10 Buttoneer

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 21:27

I split this topic out because it absolutely is great fun and it will be interesting to play with as the season progresses. We can revisit after the race to see how accurate it is be comparing split strategies employed by the teams

Sadly not so good for wet races.

#11 g1n

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 21:27

Beat him by twenty seconds going for four stops. But, a four-stopper, means five stints. Why don't you have to pick tires for five stints then?

Stops at nine, 18, 35 and 46.



yes, it does not give you an option on what tires you start on, so this simulation is a bit flawed to begin with.

#12 Buttoneer

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 21:28

Why would you choose used tyres? Bit of a pointless option.

might be forced to by qualy, I suppose, so that will be an option to play with after the race.

It's quite a limited toy, but better than listening to him commentate....

#13 Tenmantaylor

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 21:29

RA, you start on qual tyres and I think James beat you by 20s :wave:

Edited by Tenmantaylor, 16 March 2012 - 21:30.


#14 race addicted

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 21:33

Why would you choose used tyres? Bit of a pointless option.


You never have the luxury of fresh tires only! ....unless you for some reason had to sit out Q2 and Q3 then.


#15 race addicted

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 21:35

RA, you start on qual tyres and I think James beat you by 20s :wave:


Even I realize that, as that's how it actually is in real life. My argument was that it's flawed, as it's just as paramount to choose what compound you start on, even if that, by default more or less, will always be the options.
I took minus twenty to mean that I reached the flag twenty seconds sooner...

#16 Owen

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 21:48

What did you use?

My three-stop beat him by about 7 seconds. Stop 1 15: option, stop 2 30:prime, stop 3 45:option.

I went two stop (due to large pit stop time).
Lap 18 option
Lap 38 prime

#17 Fastcake

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 21:50

That's a real neat tool! Been fun playing around with it, beat him by 8 seconds so far :p

Thanks for sharing it! :D

#18 ensign14

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 21:51

Had a go, but the instruction to press GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! put me off.

#19 DanardiF1

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 22:06

Sorry if I sound really dumb, but I'm not quite getting my head around the graph. If the strategy is better, my red line will finish above the grey one?

Edited by DanardiF1, 16 March 2012 - 22:06.


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#20 Owen

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 22:07

Sorry if I sound really dumb, but I'm not quite getting my head around the graph. If the strategy is better, my red line will finish above the grey one?

indeed.

#21 DanardiF1

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 22:09

indeed.


Good. It was just the lower half of the graph shows the relative race time as minus, so I was thinking like a lap time that is minus is quicker...

#22 Buttoneer

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 22:15

It says very clearly along the Y axis that it is relative race time, so with the JA default at zero, your result is either faster or slower than that.

#23 Owen

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 22:16

I think I got about 7 secs advantage on him. Has anyone totally mullered him?

#24 windtravels

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 22:20

Good. It was just the lower half of the graph shows the relative race time as minus, so I was thinking like a lap time that is minus is quicker...


Actually I also read the graph like that. Relative race time, so relative to his time, -x seconds should mean his time -x seconds to my mind.

#25 Buttoneer

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 22:25

To prove the point for your own satisfaction and confirmation, try this;

The JA default is 3 stop
16 option new
29 option used
43 prime new

If you change the used tyre to a new one, I'd expect to be faster and when you do that, the red line is above the grey.

#26 BiH

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 22:26

1 stopper is complete fail


but doing 2 stopper

lap 18 and 39 you end up beating him by 8 seconds

#27 Andy35

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 22:26

Load of rubbish.

In 2012 I demand that I have to pay extra to the Murdoch empiire for this sort of baloney.













Just had a break for adverts, where were we?

Yes that's right, that James Allen, who does he think he is, some sort of phoenix raised from the ashes? Get away ...

:kiss:

Andy





#28 Sumant

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 22:27

+8 secs on him...stop 1: 19 Option Stop 2: 40 Option.

#29 windtravels

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 23:18

To prove the point for your own satisfaction and confirmation, try this;

The JA default is 3 stop
16 option new
29 option used
43 prime new

If you change the used tyre to a new one, I'd expect to be faster and when you do that, the red line is above the grey.


im not arguing that its the other way around, just that before doing it and looking at the graph, thats how i would have thought it would work. makes more sense to me.

#30 windtravels

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 23:18

+8 secs on him...stop 1: 19 Option Stop 2: 40 Option.


you need to use the prime

#31 fieraku

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 23:25

My strategy would be as follows:
one set of primes in Q1,one set of options in Q2,two sets of options in Q3,then a two stopper 1)new primes lap 17...2)new primes lap 40


Came out +2 or 3.




#32 Atreiu

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 23:37

How can we take possible SC interventions into account?

If I can win by 5 seconds with two stops and win by 10 with 3, I'd still rather go for 2 because I think it'd be able to deal with a possible SC. Or is my mentality still too attatched to the refueling days?

#33 windtravels

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 23:59

How can we take possible SC interventions into account?

If I can win by 5 seconds with two stops and win by 10 with 3, I'd still rather go for 2 because I think it'd be able to deal with a possible SC. Or is my mentality still too attatched to the refueling days?


hmm, guess it depends when the safety car is. just after first stop for 3 stopper and before first stop for 2 stopper would obviously be a disaster for 3 stops. but the situation can be reversed were the safety car later, after both had stopped and ran some laps. but the handicap would be less severe than in the first case. (sorry thinking aloud)

Yeah id say 2 stops has more inherent flexibility, as it can always be changed to a 3 stopper if needs be.

#34 OfficeLinebacker

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 01:57

The simulation is not accurate. As the track rubbers in, grip improves and tyre degradation slows.

Also, as the cars get lighter, tyre degradation slows.

Tyre degradation is modeled as constant regardless of when in the race it's occurring.


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 02:19

Anyone managed to beat him with a 4 stopper?!! I don't think it's possible...

#36 Sumant

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 02:51

you need to use the prime


I have assumed the first stint was on prime...

#37 Zava

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:02

Anyone managed to beat him with a 4 stopper?!! I don't think it's possible...

yeah, it is not taken into account that on a shorter stint you can push more.

#38 Stoobs

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 11:35

Hmm, I can manage about 6 seconds on a 2 and about 8 on a 3 stop.

Pretty simplistic though as others have mentioned, but still quite fun :)

#39 Lights

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 11:44

The simulation is not accurate. As the track rubbers in, grip improves and tyre degradation slows.

Also, as the cars get lighter, tyre degradation slows.

Tyre degradation is modeled as constant regardless of when in the race it's occurring.

yeah, it is not taken into account that on a shorter stint you can push more.

This ruins it a little, for the rest it's a fun initiative.

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#40 SkorbiF1

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:51

pure crap, i could do a more accurate one in couple hours.

[edit] And it would also suck donkey balls, compared to the real times / strategies [/edit]

Edited by SkorbiF1, 17 March 2012 - 12:57.


#41 Jejking

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 14:15

With 4 stops I can get within 4 seconds,

12O-N, 24O-N, 36O-N, 47P-N.

2 and 3 stopper I can win with about 8 seconds. Too bad it's only about tyre health, not traffic and pushing and risks! Still fun though :)

Edited by Jejking, 17 March 2012 - 14:16.


#42 Stoobs

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 22:29

So, how did we do then?

My initial 2 stop choice of lap 19 & 39 wasn't too far off in the end, but obviously option wear was much higher than anticipated, hence most going option, prime, prime.

Question is, will the parameters of the compounds be tweaked in the calculator as the season goes on..

Still, quite fun :)

Edited by Stoobs, 18 March 2012 - 22:30.


#43 windtravels

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 09:26

bump.

on to malaysia then.

http://www.jamesalle...egy-calculator/

Two stops lap 17, 34, option then prime beat his time by 7/8 seconds

#44 windtravels

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 09:30

3 stops: 15, 30, 45, option, option, prime beat his time by 14 seconds.

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 09:31

3 stops: 15, 30, 45, option, option, prime beat his time by 14 seconds.


Even Option, Prime, Prime can beat it by 9 seconds.

I think McLaren might split Lewis and Jenson strategy 3 and 2 respectively, then Lewis can push they way he wants to.

#46 windtravels

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 09:43

3 stops looks quicker to me based on that calculator.

#47 freya

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 09:45

12/25/41 option/prime/prime

#48 windtravels

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 10:42

12/25/41 option/prime/prime


another quick 3 stopper. interesting using prime twice seems the better option.

#49 Tonka

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 10:50

This app is too simplistic to be of any value.
If McLaren can make a balls of calculating the fuel, what hope have we got ?



#50 walkindude

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 10:50

Is it better when red line is above or below?