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#1301 joshb

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 18:55

Why are Pérez and Senna getting a 5? For not reading Vettel's mind before he turned like the Williams was going to disappear?


Senna for completely outbraking himself and for qualifying below Maldonado- as was shown as he took 2 or 3 other cars by braking so late.
Perez was unfortunate and had not done a particularly bad job in qualy.

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#1302 Jovanotti

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 18:56

Anybody got the final average standings? I think with this last performance, Hülkenberg has passed Räikkönen for 4th in the overall standings, the top 5 being Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel, Hülkenberg, Räikkönen..?

#1303 PretentiousBread

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 18:57

Senna for completely outbraking himself and for qualifying below Maldonado- as was shown as he took 2 or 3 other cars by braking so late.
Perez was unfortunate and had not done a particularly bad job in qualy.


I'd agree if he understeered into Vettel, but it was the other way round, Seb turned in to him.

#1304 Crossmax

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 21:49

It's a real shame actually, a couple of years ago everyone would (rightly) label it a racing incident. Today, following two years of penalty-mania by the stewards, people here simply must apportion blame on someone, even though the stewards themselves (!!!) didn't consider it worth an investigation.

#1305 Wander

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 00:51

Stewards have generally given penalties too easily for racing incidents.

#1306 sportingcp

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 10:56

Hulkenberg only 9 when Rosberg had a 8 (wtf!)? Really? That has to be a joke. Also Kimi it was 1 of his worst races probably the worst of the season gets a 7 the same as JEV who did a solid impressive race with a TR. :rotfl:

#1307 mnmracer

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 11:07

Anybody got the final average standings? I think with this last performance, Hülkenberg has passed Räikkönen for 4th in the overall standings, the top 5 being Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel, Hülkenberg, Räikkönen..?

Seb had already started turning in before Senna was anywhere near.
That's what they call a racing incident.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 11:17

Hulkenberg only 9 when Rosberg had a 8 (wtf!)? Really? That has to be a joke.

Rosberg had very good qualifying and was running inside the top10 as long as puncture didn't force him to pit and damage his floor. I see no necessity of giving him lower rating.

Hulk, well his driving was actually very, very impressive. Until he crashed into Hamilton, I would have given him an 11 and it was probably the most impressive drive I had ever seen in F1. But well, he crashed due to small, but his own mistake and lost a chance of fighting for victory and having almost certain podium there. You can't get 10 for this IMO.

#1309 Wander

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 11:24

Hulkenberg only 9 when Rosberg had a 8 (wtf!)? Really? That has to be a joke. Also Kimi it was 1 of his worst races probably the worst of the season gets a 7 the same as JEV who did a solid impressive race with a TR. :rotfl:


Well, if you switch Kimi's ratings with what he got in Valencia, it kind of makes sense...

#1310 sportingcp

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:16

Rosberg had very good qualifying and was running inside the top10 as long as puncture didn't force him to pit and damage his floor. I see no necessity of giving him lower rating.

Hulk, well his driving was actually very, very impressive. Until he crashed into Hamilton, I would have given him an 11 and it was probably the most impressive drive I had ever seen in F1. But well, he crashed due to small, but his own mistake and lost a chance of fighting for victory and having almost certain podium there. You can't get 10 for this IMO.


So was Di Resta, who qualified in the top10 and was even in front in the first part of the race. That was not a perfomance worth of a 8/10 at all, but well there´s no point in making a big deal.

Agree about Hulkenberg, he made a mistake (it happens shame that cost him at least a podium, even if it was his only mistake) but was a very, very impressive perfomance.

#1311 Anderis

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:37

So was Di Resta, who qualified in the top10 and was even in front in the first part of the race. That was not a perfomance worth of a 8/10 at all, but well there´s no point in making a big deal.

Di Resta didn't qualify in the top10 and was totally outclassed by him team-mate throughout the weekend. Retired due to his own mistake. Can't see much in common with Rosberg's performance.

#1312 joshb

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 14:32

Final Averages
Driver Points Average
Alonso 171 @ 8.55
Vettel 165 @ 8.25
Hamilton 163 @ 8.15
Hulkenberg 153 @ 7.65
Raikkonen 152 @ 7.6
d'Ambrosio 7 @ 7
Glock 132 @ 6.95
Button 138 @ 6.9
di Resta 137 @ 6.85
Webber 137 @ 6.85
Ricciardo 137 @ 6.85
Rosberg 135 @ 6.75
Massa 134 @ 6.7
Pic 133 @ 6.65
Perez 131 @ 6.55
Maldonado 130 @ 6.5
de la Rosa 130 @ 6.5
Petrov 129 @ 6.45
Kovalainen 128 @ 6.4
Grosjean 121 @ 6.36
Schumacher 126 @ 6.3
Kobayashi 124 @ 6.2
Karthikeyan 118 @ 5.9
Vergne 118 @ 5.9
Senna 117 @ 5.85

Top 3 well clear but Hulk's impressive late surge sees him pip Kimi for 4th.
Di Resta's late slump sees him fall from 5th to the midfield in the alst few weeks
Vergne avoids the wooden spoon, Senna takes it
Petrov beats Kovalainen
Schumacher I feel harshly done down there
Massa's late run gets him to midfield respectability
Same with Button
Glock shines in a Marussia



#1313 jcbc3

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 14:35

I hope the team bosses are smarter than Edd Straw.

#1314 showtime

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 14:40

I hope the team bosses are smarter than Edd Straw.


Well, the eight drivers from the list without a drive (at the moment) for next season are on the nine last places (Vergne is the exception). So I guess his opinion is not that far from the team bosses'

#1315 jcbc3

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 14:51

Seen as a whole:
Did Petrov have a better year than Kovalainen in identical cars?
Was Kobayashi as inept as to be the fourth worst driver?
Is Ricciardo a better F1 driver than Nico Rosberg? And as good as Webber?
Vergne is second from the bottom but scored a whooping 60% more points than his team mate who is number 10 among the reglar drivers (di Ambrosio excepted).


Taken from the Grosjean thread (and edited):
Drivers Grosjean hit in 2012:

Fernando Alonso - Monaco, Race. Continued and Belgium, Race. DNF
Lewis Hamilton - Belgium, Race. DNF
Mark Webber - Japan, Race. Continued
Felipe Massa - Germany, Race. Continued
Nico Rosberg - Japan, Race. DNF and Abu Dhabi, Race. Continued
Sergio Perez - Spain, Race. DNF and Belgium, race. DNF
Kamui Kobayashi - Monaco, Race. DNF and Belgium, Race. Continued
Michael Schumacher - Malaysia, Race. Continued and Monaco, Race. Continued
Paul di Resta - Britain, Race. Continued
Pastor Maldonado - Australia, Race. Continued
Pedro de la Rosa - Brazil, Quali. Continued

How is he NOT the worst driver in 2012?

#1316 Anderis

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 15:21

How is he NOT the worst driver in 2012?

He has scored more than twice of Maldonado's points and more than triple of Senna's points.

Lotus might have been a bit better car than Williams, but it certainly didn't deserve more than twice as many points what Grosjean managed to achive.

For me, Grosjean>Maldonado and Grosjean>>>Senna this season. Crashes are crashes but it's better to crash two times and then score one podium, than driving around 12th place all the time.

#1317 joshb

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 16:59

He has scored more than twice of Maldonado's points and more than triple of Senna's points.

Lotus might have been a bit better car than Williams, but it certainly didn't deserve more than twice as many points what Grosjean managed to achive.

For me, Grosjean>Maldonado and Grosjean>>>Senna this season. Crashes are crashes but it's better to crash two times and then score one podium, than driving around 12th place all the time.


Grosjean scored less than half of Kimi's total
Senna scored more than half of Maldonado's total
I know Maldonado blew some good results too but Grosjean let himself down this year.

#1318 Anderis

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 17:23

Grosjean scored less than half of Kimi's total
Senna scored more than half of Maldonado's total
I know Maldonado blew some good results too but Grosjean let himself down this year.

I'm fairly sure Grosjean maximised the potential of the car better (points-wise) than Maldonado, not to mention Senna, even if he still was very far of the maximum possible amount of points. I believe he deserves to be ranked higher than both Williams' drivers on that basis.
If Raikkonen was driving Williams this year, I'm sure Senna Raikkonen points ratio would be lesser than Grosjean Raikkonen points ratio at Lotus.

#1319 sportingcp

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 17:31

Actually Grosjean having half of the points of Kimi is not that bad since he also finished only half of the races Kimi has (10 DNF). This is only talking about his pace of course he is crashing too much. But if we compare him to other drivers from top teams, for example one that had more than 150 points of disadvantage (and almost no DNF´s) for his teammate and is still getting praised, well taking that in consideration I don´t think Grosjean is that bad.

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#1320 ali_M

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:15

How was it a ridiculous pace car? There was clearly debris over the track and we know drivers had spotted it and were on the radio about it.

As for only getting back in the race due to the pace car..... well every driver got back in it with the exception of Button & Hulkenberg so are we to assume any points lost by MS should be considered as lost for the others as well?

Scoring this race for NR over MS is a black mark for the reporter. Not the first time that favorites/non-favored bias is clearly apparent either. Hopefully this is one feature Autosport removes for 2013.


Did they amend the article? I'm getting confused here. I could have sworn Michael was scored 7. Now I'm looking at the article and he was scored 8 there with Nico 7.

#1321 Jimisgod

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:48

Alonso 171 @ 8.55
Vettel 165 @ 8.25
Hamilton 163 @ 8.15
Hulkenberg 153 @ 7.65
Raikkonen 152 @ 7.6
d'Ambrosio 7 @ 7
Glock 132 @ 6.95
Button 138 @ 6.9
di Resta 137 @ 6.85
Webber 137 @ 6.85
Ricciardo 137 @ 6.85
Rosberg 135 @ 6.75
Massa 134 @ 6.7
Pic 133 @ 6.65
Perez 131 @ 6.55
Maldonado 130 @ 6.5
de la Rosa 130 @ 6.5
Petrov 129 @ 6.45
Kovalainen 128 @ 6.4
Grosjean 121 @ 6.36
Schumacher 126 @ 6.3
Kobayashi 124 @ 6.2
Karthikeyan 118 @ 5.9
Vergne 118 @ 5.9
Senna 117 @ 5.85


Vettel 1st, Webber 6th in the same goddamn car. And they still think Webber is the 10th best driver in F1?

Di Resta finished 17 points behind Hulkenberg, and he is still considered the 9th best driver in F1? While Kamui finishes only 6 points behind Perez and he is 21st?

One of the worst lists I've seen in a while. Biased piece of junk.

Edited by Jimisgod, 30 November 2012 - 07:49.


#1322 Konsta

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:54

He has scored more than twice of Maldonado's points and more than triple of Senna's points.

Lotus might have been a bit better car than Williams, but it certainly didn't deserve more than twice as many points what Grosjean managed to achive.

For me, Grosjean>Maldonado and Grosjean>>>Senna this season. Crashes are crashes but it's better to crash two times and then score one podium, than driving around 12th place all the time.

What does that make Kimi then? More than twice the points... :)

#1323 SenorSjon

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:26

Rosberg an 8? For being lapped by his teammate? Schumacher was way behind him due an extra stop in lap 5 and then again for inters in lap 8. He could unlap himself behind the SC. Qualifying 9th with your teammate 13th isn't that special. These ratings get worse with the race and it is just personal favorism of the one making them up.

Edited by SenorSjon, 30 November 2012 - 09:26.


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:27

Rosberg an 8? For being lapped by his teammate? Schumacher was way behind him due an extra stop in lap 5 and then again for inters in lap 8. He could unlap himself behind the SC. Qualifying 9th with your teammate 13th isn't that special. These ratings get worse with the race and it is just personal favorism of the one making them up.

Nico drove a damaged car due to a puncture.

#1325 LiJu914

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:46

Nico drove a damaged car due to a puncture.


After he already got the damage on his car, Rosberg lost 6 seconds to MSC between the Restart after the SC and the time conditions became critical again due to the rain - that´s 16 laps.
6 seconds in 16 laps isn´t really horrific. After conditions worsened he lost several seconds per lap - something we had seen before in rainy qualifying sessions this year - and was lapped within 25 laps.

How the f does that qualify for getting a better rating?


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 15:20

After he already got the damage on his car, Rosberg lost 6 seconds to MSC between the Restart after the SC and the time conditions became critical again due to the rain - that´s 16 laps.
6 seconds in 16 laps isn´t really horrific. After conditions worsened he lost several seconds per lap - something we had seen before in rainy qualifying sessions this year - and was lapped within 25 laps.


In that period between restart and rainy conditions, Michael had to attack and to defend, so his speed wasn't true.. while Nico couldn't even close the gap to Pic.
But yes, that doesn't mean Nico deserved a better rating than Michael, maximum the same, but not better.

#1327 Diablobb81

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 06:01

End of the year total ratings from AMuS :

Jahresnoten 2012

1. Fernando Alonso 8,70 (174 Punkte in 20 Rennen)
2. Sebastian Vettel 8,25 (165/20)
3. Lewis Hamilton 7,95 (159/20)
4. Nico Hülkenberg 7,20 (144/20)
5. Kimi Räikkönen 7,15 (143/20)
6. Jenson Button 6,90 (138/20)
7. Mark Webber 6,65 (133/20)
Michael Schumacher 6,65 (133/20)
9. Felipe Massa 6,60 (132/20)
10. Sergio Pérez 6,50 (130/20)
11. Nico Rosberg 6,20 (124/20)
12. Paul di Resta 6,10 (122/20)
13. Kamui Kobayashi 6,05 (121/20)
14. Daniel Ricciardo 5,90 (118/20)
15. Timo Glock 5,58 (106/19)
16. Heikki Kovalainen 5,55 (111/20)
17. Vitaly Petrov 5,40 (108/20)
18. Bruno Senna 5,25 (105/20)
19. Romain Grosjean 5,21 (99/19)
20. Pedro de la Rosa 5,05 (96/19)
Pastor Maldonado 5,05 (101/20)
22. Jean-Eric Vergne 5,00 (100/20)
23. Charles Pic 4,65 (93/20
24. Jérôme d‘Ambrosio 4,00 (4/1)
25. Narain Karthikeyan 3,47 (66/19)

http://www.auto-moto...en-6237876.html

#1328 Kingshark

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 06:39

Maldonado below Senna? BS.

#1329 Zava

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:48

Mark Hughes' top 10 of 2012:


1. Fernando Alonso (E)
2. Lewis Hamilton (GB)
3. Sebastian Vettel (D)
4. Jenson Button (GB)
5. Kimi Raikkonen (FIN)
6. Mark Webber (AUS)
7. Nico Hulkenberg (D)
8. Nico Rosberg (D)
9. Daniel Ricciardo (AUS)
10. Pastor Maldonado (YV)

must be good stuff he's smoking, no.4 ???

#1330 Kvothe

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:51

Mark Hughes' top 10 of 2012:


1. Fernando Alonso (E)
2. Lewis Hamilton (GB)
3. Sebastian Vettel (D)
4. Jenson Button (GB)
5. Kimi Raikkonen (FIN)
6. Mark Webber (AUS)
7. Nico Hulkenberg (D)
8. Nico Rosberg (D)
9. Daniel Ricciardo (AUS)
10. Pastor Maldonado (YV)

must be good stuff he's smoking, no.4 ???


Jenson Button 4th?
Michael Schumacher not in the top 10?

Ruins the credibility of the list



Edited by Kvothe, 13 December 2012 - 11:52.


#1331 Jimisgod

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 12:16

End of the year total ratings from AMuS :

Jahresnoten 2012

1. Fernando Alonso 8,70 (174 Punkte in 20 Rennen)
2. Sebastian Vettel 8,25 (165/20)
3. Lewis Hamilton 7,95 (159/20)
4. Nico Hülkenberg 7,20 (144/20)
5. Kimi Räikkönen 7,15 (143/20)
6. Jenson Button 6,90 (138/20)
7. Mark Webber 6,65 (133/20)
Michael Schumacher 6,65 (133/20)
9. Felipe Massa 6,60 (132/20)
10. Sergio Pérez 6,50 (130/20)
11. Nico Rosberg 6,20 (124/20)
12. Paul di Resta 6,10 (122/20)
13. Kamui Kobayashi 6,05 (121/20)
14. Daniel Ricciardo 5,90 (118/20)
15. Timo Glock 5,58 (106/19)
16. Heikki Kovalainen 5,55 (111/20)
17. Vitaly Petrov 5,40 (108/20)
18. Bruno Senna 5,25 (105/20)
19. Romain Grosjean 5,21 (99/19)
20. Pedro de la Rosa 5,05 (96/19)
Pastor Maldonado 5,05 (101/20)
22. Jean-Eric Vergne 5,00 (100/20)
23. Charles Pic 4,65 (93/20
24. Jérôme d‘Ambrosio 4,00 (4/1)
25. Narain Karthikeyan 3,47 (66/19)

http://www.auto-moto...en-6237876.html


Yawn, good car bias.

It's like saying a bicyclist who rides a racing bike as fast as their teammate only half the time is better than someone who often rides a respectable time, though not a winning one, with a bmx bike or something.


#1332 Wander

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 12:46

Jenson Button 4th?
Michael Schumacher not in the top 10?

Ruins the credibility of the list


Well, to be honest, Schumacher would be in the 11th/12th place region on my list... The list is ok, although I kinda feel like Button is being flattered by having been so close to Hamilton in the points in the end or something.

#1333 Diablobb81

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 12:48

No yawn since they admit as much. But it is what is :

"Noten sind eine subjektive Bewertung. Wir merken es an den Kommentaren der Leser, die während der Saison mit Kritik nicht gespart haben. Egal wer benotet, ein bisschen Ungerechtigkeit ist immer dabei, weil das Auto die Leistung mitbestimmt. Vielleicht ist Pedro de la Rosa im Schnitt so gut gefahren wie sein Landsmann Fernando Alonso. Es ist nur schwer zu beurteilen, weil sein HRT meistens am Ende des Feldes herumfuhr. "


"Notes are a subjective rating.We note it in the commentary of the readers, who didn't held back with the criticism during the season. No mater who does the rating, a little injustice is always there, because the car influences the performance. Maybe Pedro de la Rosa has driven, on average, as good as Alonso. But it is hard to measure since the HRT is mostly at the back of the field."


And i mostly agree with the list.

Edited by Diablobb81, 13 December 2012 - 12:49.


#1334 ed24f1

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 17:15

Mark Hughes' top 10 of 2012:


1. Fernando Alonso (E)
2. Lewis Hamilton (GB)
3. Sebastian Vettel (D)
4. Jenson Button (GB)
5. Kimi Raikkonen (FIN)
6. Mark Webber (AUS)
7. Nico Hulkenberg (D)
8. Nico Rosberg (D)
9. Daniel Ricciardo (AUS)
10. Pastor Maldonado (YV)

must be good stuff he's smoking, no.4 ???


Ricciardo??? He was solid for part of the year but nowhere near as good as about 5 other drivers.

And Button ahead of Raikkonen is a joke of course - did Mark Hughes obviously missed the middle of the season.

It's like saying a bicyclist who rides a racing bike as fast as their teammate only half the time is better than someone who often rides a respectable time, though not a winning one, with a bmx bike or something.


Well on one hand you are correct, but on the other hand, those three were up against probably the best three drivers on the grid.

Edited by ed24f1, 13 December 2012 - 17:16.


#1335 Juan Kerr

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 19:35

Mark Hughes writes well but his judgement is poor.

#1336 TheF1BOB

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 22:14

Seriously, why is Rosberg on these lists? He had one good weekend and that's that.

Scrap that, Ricciardo??? What is this guy smoking. :rotfl:

#1337 Richard T

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 22:21

Button had the crappiest season EVER in a Mclaren and he have even addmitted it himself. What is this??

#1338 Alx09

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 22:38

Button 4th... who would ever do that? Button would be 12th or so max.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 23:55

not too different from what the team bosses think

AUTOSPORT asked each of F1's current team principals to pick their top ten drivers for the season, with points being awarded under the current scoring system of 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1

1. Fernando Alonso 269
2. Sebastian Vettel 198
3. Lewis Hamilton 177
4. Kimi Raikkonen 176
5. Jenson Button 104
6. Mark Webber 66
7. Nico Hulkenberg 50
8. Nico Rosberg 30
9. Sergio Perez 30
10. Felipe Massa 27



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#1340 Jimisgod

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 00:07

Seriously, why is Rosberg on these lists? He had one good weekend and that's that.

Scrap that, Ricciardo??? What is this guy smoking. :rotfl:


Who would you prefer? Schumacher who had 1 good Saturday and a podium by virtue of everyone else falling over? :lol:

Yes, he could have won Monaco, but it was only his fault that he scored a penalty and 2nd in China was only 2nd best to Rosberg.

#1341 Lelouch

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 00:25

Who would you prefer? Schumacher who had 1 good Saturday and a podium by virtue of everyone else falling over? :lol:

Yes, he could have won Monaco, but it was only his fault that he scored a penalty and 2nd in China was only 2nd best to Rosberg.

Tbh considering what these 2 guys were driving i have both them in my top 10. But anyway on your point, Schumacher had more weekends and yes he had a few terrible ones but his best race for me this year was Spa ( I think with a better car he would have been driver of the race for more people ) and also he had some good Saturdays too. Also, when the car became a total dog the drivers flattered it as much as possible imo. Regardless i don't really feel that drivers like Massa, Webber or Button are more worthy of a top 10 spot.

#1342 Rentta

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:56

I think heikki , vitaly and pic did better job than paul but oh well

#1343 Zava

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 12:57

and the driver ratings from italian autosprint:
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#1344 apoka

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 17:14

An Italian newspaper, which does not have Alonso on top - that's surprising. Button is quite high on that list and Rosberg/Schumacher quite low.

It's a little bit odd to have another final vote, which in some cases differs quite a bit from the average vote.


#1345 karlth

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 19:03

An Italian newspaper, which does not have Alonso on top - that's surprising. Button is quite high on that list and Rosberg/Schumacher quite low.

It's a little bit odd to have another final vote, which in some cases differs quite a bit from the average vote.


Most of these ratings are heavily flawed as they usually discount car performance and reliability.

#1346 ali_M

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 21:48

Most of these ratings are heavily flawed as they usually discount car performance and reliability.


Agreed. The ratings consistently decline as the car performance declines. It isn't a driver rating but a driver/car/team rating relative to the others where performance is concerned. So it's impossible to get a great rating if you don't finish in the points with a car that's not capable of finishing in the points.

#1347 jjcale

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:35

Should we do our own independent rate all the drivers thread next year (if the forum software allows)?

We could open a a thread a few days after races when info about the relative state of the cars becomes a bit clearer. I reckon we can (collectively) do a better job than the journos.

Edited by jjcale, 19 December 2012 - 09:35.


#1348 as65p

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:39

Should we do our own independent rate all the drivers thread next year (if the forum software allows)?

We could open a a thread a few days after races when info about the relative state of the cars becomes a bit clearer. I reckon we can (collectively) do a better job than the journos.


:drunk: Tell me you're joking, please...

#1349 P123

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 11:10

Should we do our own independent rate all the drivers thread next year (if the forum software allows)?

We could open a a thread a few days after races when info about the relative state of the cars becomes a bit clearer. I reckon we can (collectively) do a better job than the journos.


Doubt it. If this topic is any indication then the general view from those who moan about the ratings seems to be: don't like driver X, he's rated too highly, journalist ridiculously biased; but love driver y, he's rated too lowly, journalist ridiculously biased. :mad: I don't see any better judgement coming from these folks somehow! :D

#1350 Wander

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 11:38

Collective rating would turn out really predictable, really, cause all the idiotic opinions would cancel each other out.

Edited by Wander, 19 December 2012 - 11:38.