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#51 TFLB

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 22:46

HRT drivers score 6?

They did the best they could with limited running.

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#52 Fastcake

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 22:46

I'm not sure what 6 for the HRT drivers is based on either, other than an arbitrary figure because the car was so bad that there no point in analysing how the drivers did.


Me neither, why even rate them? It was like they got the "taking part" award :p

#53 gerry nassar

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 22:50

I think Ed Straw's ratings are actually quite good and well justified. I dont agree completely but close.





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Posted 19 March 2012 - 22:57

Autosport Editor Edd Straw rates the overall performance of every driver on the grid. Here, we can keep track of the overall ratings and debate their accuracy.

Australian Grand Prix
Button 10
Alonso 9
Vettel 8
Schumacher 8
Ricciardo 8
Vergne 8
Hamilton 7
Webber 7
Kobayashi 7
Raikkonen 7
Perez 7
Maldonado 7
Glock 7
Grosjean 7
Hulkenberg 7
Pic 7
Di Resta 6
Kovalainen 6
de la Rosa 6
Karthikeyan 6
Rosberg 5
Petrov 5
Massa 4
Senna 4


Thoughts?

Schumacher ran off track and destroyed the drive in the car - got an 8 essentially for causing a DNF?
Hamilton got a 7 for starting on the side of the track that (strangely) had less grip and got nabbed (probably) by a safety car?
Kobayashi flogs it all weekend (in a SAUBER _ A FRIKKKKENNNNNNN SAUBER Ed) finishes 6th (in a SAUBER Ed - a Fricken SAUBER!) and gets a 7 a 7? a frikken 7 ????? - are you on drugs Ed?
Maldonado runs off track twice - once over some friendly grass - once into an unfriendly wall and gets a 7 ------ the same score as Kamui (driving a Sauber in case you've forgotten - who finished in 6th place) - meanwhile Pastor has cost Williams a massive amount of points (more than they scored all of last season!!!) and will keep the mechanics up all night for the rest of this week. Hopefully they all find some comfort - in something other than a pillow - which they won't see for the next week and a half - now that Ed has given Pastor a 7.....
Gosjean out practiced and out qualified his vastly more experienced teammate and got a 7 - had he not been punted by Pastor (the guy who also managed a 7......) he would have scored better. Maybe Ed added Pastor and Romains scores together and divided by 2 - though given the ratings I'm not entirely sure Ed could divide anything by 2...
Di Resta - picked up points (in a Sahara shitbox) - scored a 6 - well....
Massa - 4? - Was a non participant all weekend. 1 would have been kind.

Ed doesn't watch these races - not sure why he gets to rate them.

I want Ed to pick a gate attendant at random to rate the next race. We'd all like to see results closer to the facts of the matter.

#55 Mr j

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 23:08

those are very subjective claims

Anyway, why people keep saying Rosberg made 2 mistakes in Q3? I only saw a single, rather small, one in his last attempt, for the braking of T3.

People just seems bitter because Nico was 3 and a half tenths slower than his hated(by most) team mate.


No, those are not subjective claims. Alonsos natural speed is not as good as some drivers in the series, like Hamiltons, and that is why he throws those hizzy fits when he¨s not superiour.

When are people going to realized that while Alonso is a great driver, with great consistency and with an ability to gather a team around him he¨s not as fast as the top drives.

Has anyone considered that the reason Ferrari isn¨t a top contender anymore is because Alonso is so focused on beating his teammate, due to the beating he got from Hamilton, that his main goal is to develop the car in his liking eventhough it means not winning championships as long as he beats his teammate, Massa, which is good for his reputation.

His reputation is on an all time high, and the word is that it¨s that the car is the reason why he's not winning, but there's a breaking point when Ferrari will not accept of beeing scapegoats because their driver is not able to win the championship, eventhough they do everything for him and with the money he brings.

Patience is a virtue but in the relationship of Alonso and Ferrari it's running short even with the millions that Santander is bringing. Ferrari wants a driver who can win them championships but is Alonso the right man, time is running out.

Ferrari is the team with the most resources, the team with the history of winning the most and now with the best driver? But why aren¨t they winning? Why are they going backwards?

An Alonso effect? This team has all it takes to be the best, and with best driver for three years now why are they getting worse? And why is Massa getting so bad that he looks like he¨s the worst driver in F1?

Something is rotten in the state of Maranello?








#56 Dunder

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 23:14

Alonso made a mistake in qualifying but if you really think about that didn't impact his result in this race. He he a great start and an extra set of new tires that kept him in the game until the end. If he would have made it to Q3 most likely he would've qualified somewhere between P7-P10 with both mclaren and redbull still in front.

Given the pace of the Ferrari compared to the other teams finishing P5 was the best result possible for Alonso.


Alonso used Soft-Medium-Medium in the race and as such did not even use the spare set of softs that he 'saved' as a result of his Q2 excursion.
Your last sentence is clearly correct, Alonso drove a very good race but was nonetheless helped by others having issues.


#57 Sakae

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 23:14

@Supers.:What's with this comment about Schumacher? BS starts right at the gate. I have no stomach for it, and I am out of here.

Edited by Sakae, 19 March 2012 - 23:15.


#58 ASFA2011

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 23:17

Are you being serious man ? This is probably one of the silliest post I ever read in these forums



No, those are not subjective claims. Alonsos natural speed is not as good as some drivers in the series, like Hamiltons, and that is why he throws those hizzy fits when he¨s not superiour.

When are people going to realized that while Alonso is a great driver, with great consistency and with an ability to gather a team around him he¨s not as fast as the top drives.

Has anyone considered that the reason Ferrari isn¨t a top contender anymore is because Alonso is so focused on beating his teammate, due to the beating he got from Hamilton, that his main goal is to develop the car in his liking eventhough it means not winning championships as long as he beats his teammate, Massa, which is good for his reputation.

His reputation is on an all time high, and the word is that it¨s that the car is the reason why he's not winning, but there's a breaking point when Ferrari will not accept of beeing scapegoats because their driver is not able to win the championship, eventhough they do everything for him and with the money he brings.

Patience is a virtue but in the relationship of Alonso and Ferrari it's running short even with the millions that Santander is bringing. Ferrari wants a driver who can win them championships but is Alonso the right man, time is running out.

Ferrari is the team with the most resources, the team with the history of winning the most and now with the best driver? But why aren¨t they winning? Why are they going backwards?

An Alonso effect? This team has all it takes to be the best, and with best driver for three years now why are they getting worse? And why is Massa getting so bad that he looks like he¨s the worst driver in F1?

Something is rotten in the state of Maranello?



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Posted 19 March 2012 - 23:23

Rosberg's rating is fair IMHO. He fluffed Q3, allowed himself to be overtaken on the outside (notwithstanding it was very good move from Vettel) and got involved in a incident at the end which cost him the few points he was set to salvage.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 23:28

No, those are not subjective claims. Alonsos natural speed is not as good as some drivers in the series, like Hamiltons, and that is why he throws those hizzy fits when he¨s not superiour.

When are people going to realized that while Alonso is a great driver, with great consistency and with an ability to gather a team around him he¨s not as fast as the top drives.

Has anyone considered that the reason Ferrari isn¨t a top contender anymore is because Alonso is so focused on beating his teammate, due to the beating he got from Hamilton, that his main goal is to develop the car in his liking eventhough it means not winning championships as long as he beats his teammate, Massa, which is good for his reputation.

dude, you..... nevermind

#61 icecream_man

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 23:40

Are you being serious man ? This is probably one of the silliest post I ever read in these forums


Or the funniest, depending which way you look at it :lol:

#62 Dunder

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 23:49

Schumacher ran off track and destroyed the drive in the car - got an 8 essentially for causing a DNF?
Hamilton got a 7 for starting on the side of the track that (strangely) had less grip and got nabbed (probably) by a safety car?
Kobayashi flogs it all weekend (in a SAUBER _ A FRIKKKKENNNNNNN SAUBER Ed) finishes 6th (in a SAUBER Ed - a Fricken SAUBER!) and gets a 7 a 7? a frikken 7 ????? - are you on drugs Ed?
Maldonado runs off track twice - once over some friendly grass - once into an unfriendly wall and gets a 7 ------ the same score as Kamui (driving a Sauber in case you've forgotten - who finished in 6th place) - meanwhile Pastor has cost Williams a massive amount of points (more than they scored all of last season!!!) and will keep the mechanics up all night for the rest of this week. Hopefully they all find some comfort - in something other than a pillow - which they won't see for the next week and a half - now that Ed has given Pastor a 7.....
Gosjean out practiced and out qualified his vastly more experienced teammate and got a 7 - had he not been punted by Pastor (the guy who also managed a 7......) he would have scored better. Maybe Ed added Pastor and Romains scores together and divided by 2 - though given the ratings I'm not entirely sure Ed could divide anything by 2...
Di Resta - picked up points (in a Sahara shitbox) - scored a 6 - well....
Massa - 4? - Was a non participant all weekend. 1 would have been kind.

Ed doesn't watch these races - not sure why he gets to rate them.

I want Ed to pick a gate attendant at random to rate the next race. We'd all like to see results closer to the facts of the matter.


The problem with Schumacher's transmission happened in the braking zone according to him and Mercedes.

Broadly agree with the rest of your comments albeit, I 'blame' Grosjean more than Maldanado for that collision.


#63 Mr j

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 23:59

[quote name='ASFA2011' date='Mar 20 2012, 00:17' post='5607559']
Are you being serious man ? This is probably one of the silliest post I ever read in these forums
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Silliest post, grow up, it's an opinion which probably doesn't suit your dream world of how you want it to be.

Atleat give me an argument why you think its so silly without beeing so dramatic.

If you¨re under the aged of 18, which your post suggest, don¨t bother, I remember those days when it was difficult to comprehend a line of thought which was beyond your apprehension.

#64 Mr j

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 00:07

[quote name='ASFA2011' date='Mar 20 2012, 00:17' post='5607559']
Are you being serious man ? This is probably one of the silliest post I ever read in these forums
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Silliest post, grow up, it's an opinion which probably doesn't suit your dream world of how you want it to be.

Atleat give me an argument why you think its so silly without beeing so dramatic.

If you¨re under the aged of 18, which your post suggest, don¨t bother, I remember those days when it was difficult to comprehend a line of thought which was beyond your apprehension.

#65 ASFA2011

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 02:10



I shouldn't even start to discuss the silliness in your post but since you call me out then I will , sigh , so according to you the only reason that FA is at Ferrari is so he could beat Massa because of the " beating" he received from Hamilton ???? Lol , talk about living in cuckoo land ...
What about the WDC and the WCC ? Nah , who cares , at least in your opinion Alonso doesnt , he is only there to avenge his bruised ego after the "beating " taking on the poor little Massa since he can't defend himself , geez , is that really your opinion ? I guess I'm not the one with a teenager reasoning ...

#66 Supersleeper

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 02:13

The problem with Schumacher's transmission happened in the braking zone according to him and Mercedes.

Yeah - that was a guess - looks like I'm wrong - nothing new there.  ;)

Broadly agree with the rest of your comments albeit, I 'blame' Grosjean more than Maldanado for that collision.

I thought that Grosjean left about as much room as possible and Pastor just went on with it too much - he got the move done - the last bit was a little bit GP2 for my liking.

Should be an interesting thread. :lol:

#67 Atreiu

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 02:28

You can't blame Grosjean for sticking to his line. It wasn't like he was totally out of shape and put Maldonado in harms way. He simply tried to hold on.
Still a racing incident, though.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 02:38

Hold on. Didn't Schumi run off track once his car got broken in order to not trouble other drivers?

See my most humble retraction.  ;)

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 02:39

Edd Straw's ratings corrected would be:

Button 10
Alonso 8
Vettel 8
Schumacher 8
Ricciardo 8
Hamilton 8
Kobayashi 8
Vergne 7
Webber 7
Raikkonen 7
Perez 7
Glock 7
Grosjean 7
Hulkenberg 7
Pic 7
Di Resta 7
Maldonado 6
Kovalainen 6
de la Rosa 6
Karthikeyan 6
Rosberg 5
Petrov 5
Senna 4
Massa 2

#70 Creepy

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 02:41

See my most humble retraction.;)


Yeah, sorry, I deleted my post once I spotted your retraction. Had not seen it. :wave:

Edited by Creepy, 20 March 2012 - 02:42.


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Posted 20 March 2012 - 03:46

10 for Button for winning the race in the best car when he was beated by Hamilton in qualifying, Alonso does a mistake in qualifying with a dog and finish the race above what the car deserves with a brillant drive and he deserves a 9?.

Edited by kosmos, 20 March 2012 - 05:12.


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Posted 20 March 2012 - 03:53

I think the top guys ratings should have been changed a bit:

Button 10
Vettel 9 (beat his teammate and a faster car, no real mistakes)
Hamilton 9 (impressive pole, didn't really do anything wrong besides a slow start)
Alonso 8 (fluffed quali, -2 points)

#73 SirRacer

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 03:53

9 for Alonso is too high. Perez and Raikkonen made more places in race and plus he screwed up the qualy.

9 for Alonso is too low.

How he managed to get that 5th place with that car, I still dont know.

Edited by SirRacer, 20 March 2012 - 03:54.


#74 slideways

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 03:57

Because almost all of the drivers he was competing against were rookies driving their cars for the first time and he had multiple retirements ahead of him.

Don't get me wrong, he put in another solid effort as always. I wouldn't exactly call it giant slaying.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 04:09

How easily those 10's spill out when Button wins. Vettel had to pull teeth to get a 9, let alone a 10 when he wona GP - and they had 11 opportunities to mess it up, which they did almost every time. I lost faith in this rating stuff last year and evidence after one race simply refuels my belief. The only valid rating is the WDC standings table making sense in showing that Jenson merited the highest on the weekend, Vettel second, Third to Hamilton and so forth - Alonso did nothing whatsoever to merit 9 - he quallied into the gravel and managed 12 to 5 - not even as great a progress as Raikkonen and Perez put him to shame. Whoever presides over this rating system should be fired.

Edited by bourbon, 20 March 2012 - 04:10.


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Posted 20 March 2012 - 04:57

How easily those 10's spill out when Button wins. Vettel had to pull teeth to get a 9, let alone a 10 when he wona GP - and they had 11 opportunities to mess it up, which they did almost every time. I lost faith in this rating stuff last year and evidence after one race simply refuels my belief. The only valid rating is the WDC standings table making sense in showing that Jenson merited the highest on the weekend, Vettel second, Third to Hamilton and so forth - Alonso did nothing whatsoever to merit 9 - he quallied into the gravel and managed 12 to 5 - not even as great a progress as Raikkonen and Perez put him to shame. Whoever presides over this rating system should be fired.


While I can see why someone might want to rate Alonso at a 7 or 8, I personally think a 9 is more than suitable. Critics keep blaming him for putting the car in the gravel. Sure, as a driver of his caliber, he should have control over the car at all times, but that car is a mess. He really has to wrangle it in order to make it turn a corner. Just look at him compared to Massa! Moreover, your argument concerning Raikkonen and Perez's progress is simply fallacious. Yes, both of them did well, but your claim insinuates that, had Raikkonen or Perez started a place or two higher, they would have finished a place or two higher. That simply isn't true. There is a threshold beyond which a car and a driver cannot go. Alonso certainly reached it. How could you expect him to challenge the vastly superior McLarens and Red Bulls? Maybe he should have finished in front of Webber, but that's a stretch.

Regardless, one could just as well claim that Raikkonen should have gotten past Kobayashi and Alonso with the E20.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 04:59

I would either correct or leave untouched some of the ratings as follows......

Button 10 (10 since he drove a perfect race)
Alonso 9 (6 because he fluffed quali completely and with Massa as a team-mate there's no real yardstick of how good the car is....)
Vettel 8 (6 since he did nothing special in quali and gained positions through luck - safety car, Schumachers retirement)
Schumacher 8 (9 he did wonders in quali and drove a great race until his retirement)
Hamilton 7 (8 because of his quali performance and solid race, bad luck prevented him from finishing 2nd)
Webber 7 (8 due to a gritty comeback drive)
Grosjean 7 (9 due to his spectacular quali and a reasonable race which ended through no fault of his own - also bear in mind his lack of recent F1 race experience)
Massa 4 (1.... why does he get 4 points in Autosport? My dog could have driven a better race weekend and he couldn't even reach the pedals....)




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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:45

AMuS rankings
Jenson Button: Note 10/10
Sebastian Vettel: Note 8/10
Lewis Hamilton: Note 7/10
Mark Webber: Note 8/10
Fernando Alonso: Note 9/10
Kamui Kobayashi: Note 7/10
Kimi Räikkönen: Note 6/10
Sergio Perez: Note 8/10
Daniel Ricciardo: Note 7/10
Paul di Resta: Note 5/10
Jean-Eric Vergne: Note 6/10
Nico Rosberg: Note 4/10
Pastor Maldonado: Note 6/10
Timo Glock: Note 5/10
Charles Pic: Note 4/10
Bruno Senna: Note 3/10
Felipe Massa: Note 2/10
Heikki Kovalainen: Note 5/10
Vitaly Petrov: Note 5/10
Michael Schumacher: Note 8/10
Romain Grosjean: Note 6/10
Nico Hülkenberg: Note 6/10
Narain Karthikeyan: Note -/10
Pedro de la Rosa: Note -/10


#79 walkindude

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:47

How easily those 10's spill out when Button wins. Vettel had to pull teeth to get a 9, let alone a 10 when he wona GP - and they had 11 opportunities to mess it up, which they did almost every time. I lost faith in this rating stuff last year and evidence after one race simply refuels my belief. The only valid rating is the WDC standings table making sense in showing that Jenson merited the highest on the weekend, Vettel second, Third to Hamilton and so forth - Alonso did nothing whatsoever to merit 9 - he quallied into the gravel and managed 12 to 5 - not even as great a progress as Raikkonen and Perez put him to shame. Whoever presides over this rating system should be fired.

Perez was beaten by kobayashi and raikkonen qualified lower and finished lower than alonso in a far better car.Just as vettel fanboys made webber the yardstick of the rb7 last year,massa could be taken as the yardstick for the F2012's competitiveness.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 06:11

I don't think quali should be all that important in these ratings really. It should factor in a small amount, but at the end of the day it's the race where you score the points.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 06:22

Rosberg's rating is fair IMHO. He fluffed Q3, allowed himself to be overtaken on the outside (notwithstanding it was very good move from Vettel) and got involved in a incident at the end which cost him the few points he was set to salvage.

Judging from onboard, the incident was not his fault. Rosberg had back luck with the SC, but got up to P6 before he retired in the last lap of the GP.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 06:25

Button 10 (10 since he drove a perfect race)
...
Vettel 8 (6 since he did nothing special in quali and gained positions through luck - safety car, Schumachers retirement)


Button also did nothing special in qualy (great race though - absolutely agree there). Vettel did not only gain positions through luck, but also had a good start, overtook Rosberg (and Perez) and kept a McLaren behind him. Btw. "luck" doesn't make his driving worse - he had to be put himself in a position to benefit from the SC (and he clearly did that by just being 1 second behind Hamilton).

Edited by apoka, 20 March 2012 - 06:26.


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Posted 20 March 2012 - 06:33

I would either correct or leave untouched some of the ratings as follows......

Button 10 (10 since he drove a perfect race)
Alonso 9 (6 because he fluffed quali completely and with Massa as a team-mate there's no real yardstick of how good the car is....)



So Alonso performance in quali is relevant to your score but not Buttons. Double standard.

#84 H2H

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 07:20


I guess the problem here is consistency, between the drivers and across the races.


Some already pointed it out but let us just repeat the first example:

Last year Seb dominated his teammate in Q3 and drove a dominating race in the dominant car to a perfect victory, getting a 9.
This year Jenson struggled in Q3, not putting the dominant car on pole, drove a dominant race in a dominant car, getting a 10.

The proper votes seem to be exactly the other way around.

If you look at the overall performances of three drivers Jenson, Fernando and Seb they all did not do a good in Qualifying, with Fernando doing of course worse by ending in the gravel. However all drove a great race, making up positions and beating their teammates clearly. It is very difficult to argue for a 10,9,8 split between them. 9,9,8 are if you are generous with Fernando and harsh with Seb closer to the mark albeight 9,8,8 would be more fitting.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 09:20

Dogs Bollocks.

I feel a bit ashamed. Thank you Buttoner much appreciated. :wave:


#86 Mr.Wayne

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 09:32

9 for Alonso is too high.

Agree. 9 for a driver who screws up in qualifying, and has a car that manages to keep a RedBull at bay during the second stint, while matching Vettel's times (according to the BBC) is probably a bit too generous... 7-6, in my opinion, are a more accurate description of his race.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:34

I agree with a lot of what has already been said about Button / Vettel / Alonso, but I'm also surprised Vergne and Ricciardo scored the same. Ricciardo was better in qualifying and on race day.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:48

Schumacher ran off track and destroyed the drive in the car - got an 8 essentially for causing a DNF?
Hamilton got a 7 for starting on the side of the track that (strangely) had less grip and got nabbed (probably) by a safety car?
Kobayashi flogs it all weekend (in a SAUBER _ A FRIKKKKENNNNNNN SAUBER Ed) finishes 6th (in a SAUBER Ed - a Fricken SAUBER!) and gets a 7 a 7? a frikken 7 ????? - are you on drugs Ed?
Maldonado runs off track twice - once over some friendly grass - once into an unfriendly wall and gets a 7 ------ the same score as Kamui (driving a Sauber in case you've forgotten - who finished in 6th place) - meanwhile Pastor has cost Williams a massive amount of points (more than they scored all of last season!!!) and will keep the mechanics up all night for the rest of this week. Hopefully they all find some comfort - in something other than a pillow - which they won't see for the next week and a half - now that Ed has given Pastor a 7.....
Gosjean out practiced and out qualified his vastly more experienced teammate and got a 7 - had he not been punted by Pastor (the guy who also managed a 7......) he would have scored better. Maybe Ed added Pastor and Romains scores together and divided by 2 - though given the ratings I'm not entirely sure Ed could divide anything by 2...
Di Resta - picked up points (in a Sahara shitbox) - scored a 6 - well....
Massa - 4? - Was a non participant all weekend. 1 would have been kind.

Ed doesn't watch these races - not sure why he gets to rate them.

I want Ed to pick a gate attendant at random to rate the next race. We'd all like to see results closer to the facts of the matter.


Some very good points.

Maybe Straw rates them in the order of importance for an interview.

Otherwise I cant explain the pussyfooting of Massa, Senna and Rosberg, and throwing a lot of drivers with very varied race weekend events on one heap with the same rating.

Edited by TheBunk, 20 March 2012 - 10:48.


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Posted 20 March 2012 - 13:01

Judging from onboard, the incident was not his fault. Rosberg had back luck with the SC, but got up to P6 before he retired in the last lap of the GP.


I would agree that the incident was not his fault but not about the rest.

Having stopped on lap 31 (the SC was on lap 37), I am fairly sure that Rosberg would have needed another pitstop had there not been a safety car. There is no way a car that was chewing it's rears could have done a two-stopper.


#90 fieraku

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 13:39

I'd rate them by whichever driver leaves an impression and after watching the race twice the only ones that did were JB,FA,, the Sauber pair the STR pair and to some extent Kimi.
I wouldn't even rate the rest.

#91 wepmob2000

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 16:15

So Alonso performance in quali is relevant to your score but not Buttons. Double standard.


Yes, since Button definitely didn't fluff qualifying, it was one of his best ever quali performances compared to Hamilton, so no double standard...... I would also reiterate that we have no reliable yardstick for how bad or otherwise this years Ferrari is, since Massa is so erratic and clearly unperforming.


Edited by wepmob2000, 20 March 2012 - 16:19.


#92 flyer121

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 16:31

Do a search and find out for sure.

http://forums.autosp...howtopic=149890

He got 9 for Australia 2011 which is what I think Button's performance for the last weekend deserved.


To add insult to injury both Perez and Petrov got 10s last year !

#93 trogggy

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 16:35

So Alonso performance in quali is relevant to your score but not Buttons. Double standard.

How do you measure it though?
Beating your team-mate? I can see a problem there.
You're not really equating Alonso's quali with Button's, are you?


#94 Atreiu

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 16:51

They should give 0 to 3 for qualy and then 0 to 7 for the race.

#95 trogggy

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 16:52

They should give 0 to 3 for qualy and then 0 to 7 for the race.

So if someone starts from last, overtakes everyone and wins they get 7? :D

#96 cheapracer

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 17:25

Rosberg's rating is fair IMHO. He fluffed Q3, allowed himself to be overtaken on the outside (notwithstanding it was very good move from Vettel) and got involved in a incident at the end which cost him the few points he was set to salvage.


Half the race is the start IMO, Rosberg's was the best out there, (grabbed 3 cars and went around the outside in T1) so I think a 6 more than a 5 would have been appropriate.


#97 Atreiu

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 17:32

So if someone starts from last, overtakes everyone and wins they get 7? :D


Yeah!

#98 SirRacer

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 06:26

Ratings should be given due to the race result given the circumstances.

If Alonso screws qualy and starts 24th then in race gets up to 4th
and Massa does a good qualy, 3rd and finishes 3rd, I would still rate Massa above Alonso because the car had the potential to finish 3rd but due to Alonso's qualy he could only get up to 4th even though his race was way more impressive than Massa's

#99 Man of the race

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 06:51

Massa 4? For what? 0 would have been more appropriate.


This kind of repetitive scale always has to be calibrated to some tops and bottoms. Thus 0 is maybe for not being around when the qualifying starts and -1 is eventually being found inside a motorhome with the evaluator's lady.

Edited by Man of the race, 21 March 2012 - 07:07.


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#100 gillesthegenius

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 07:55

I guess the problem here is consistency, between the drivers and across the races.


Some already pointed it out but let us just repeat the first example:

Last year Seb dominated his teammate in Q3 and drove a dominating race in the dominant car to a perfect victory, getting a 9.
This year Jenson struggled in Q3, not putting the dominant car on pole, drove a dominant race in a dominant car, getting a 10.

The proper votes seem to be exactly the other way around.

If you look at the overall performances of three drivers Jenson, Fernando and Seb they all did not do a good in Qualifying, with Fernando doing of course worse by ending in the gravel. However all drove a great race, making up positions and beating their teammates clearly. It is very difficult to argue for a 10,9,8 split between them. 9,9,8 are if you are generous with Fernando and harsh with Seb closer to the mark albeight 9,8,8 would be more fitting.


A good post, but I think 9, 7, 8 would have been more fitting. :)