A bit OT but aslo potentialy sad if you like intelligent enginering
#1
Posted 11 April 2012 - 09:56
http://www.autocar.c...AllCars/262208/
Like many , I though Danny Bahar a flaky loud mouth but at least he tried to come up with a plan which could get Lotus beyond only 5,000 low end sports cars per year.
Maybe Cheapy could find some local rich Chinese to buy it and give it to him!!
IMHO , with my beancounter hat on, the Porrsche Boxster has killed off the Lotus/TVR type car as it is a great car at a $60K price point and has good residuals and reliability. To deliver a product at the same price to beat it AND get the necessary 10,000 plus volume to fund R+D/homologation is so tough
#3
Posted 11 April 2012 - 16:43
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Posted 11 April 2012 - 17:31
#5
Posted 11 April 2012 - 18:55
#6
Posted 11 April 2012 - 22:04
#7
Posted 11 April 2012 - 22:27
200 million is a fair old hole to dig yourself out of. The consultancy side was a money spinner way back, but it is my impression that rates for contract engineering have remained static for years, and there is a lot more competition now than in the 80s.
Damn, it is one of the few places I'd like to work at again.
Just been pointed at this
http://www.lotuscars...-way-good-story
If that is really a corporately approved response then someone has lost the plot. What the hell is "self irony"? They may have meant self mockery I suppose
Edited by Greg Locock, 11 April 2012 - 22:44.
#8
Posted 11 April 2012 - 23:02
The is talk of a Chinese buy - out ( who else!) but I fear that only a large OEM could give Lotus a sound long term future as developing your own powertrains is so expensive and time consuming without big back up.
I hope Lotus do survive , somebody once said they used intelligent engineering whereas the Germans used clever engineering
#9
Posted 12 April 2012 - 01:28
It seems to me Cheapy is no more.
I hope not. I'm sure everyone enjoyed his contributions.
#10
Posted 12 April 2012 - 04:36
He may be still amongst us as GSpeedR,a recent arrival. Have a look at the footer on cheapys posts.Yeah, how come cheapracer is no longer a member? He posted a bunch of stuff on April 5th and then disappeared (along with his Photobucket pics?).
#11
Posted 12 April 2012 - 06:15
#12
Posted 12 April 2012 - 13:33
He may be still amongst us as GSpeedR,a recent arrival. Have a look at the footer on cheapys posts.
Que?
I'm new to this forum, though I've recently visited f1-technical.
I assume the possible connection could have been this part of his signature: "http://www.wix.com/c...racer/gsrracer"
Hopefully not this part: "Everyone laughed at me because I am different....but I laugh at them because they are all the same"
Edited by GSpeedR, 12 April 2012 - 13:37.
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 14:31
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 14:40
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 14:59
#16
Posted 12 April 2012 - 15:10
#17
Posted 12 April 2012 - 17:00
He did mention a going away / holiday a couple of weeks back ?
Wouldn't explain why you can't find him with the Members finder in the upper-right.
#18
Posted 12 April 2012 - 18:13
#19
Posted 12 April 2012 - 22:01
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#20
Posted 13 April 2012 - 03:07
Got an email, Cheapy was beheaded after vandalizing a bit with the Kimi chicks at RC. Sounds like it was long time coming to him.
What does this mean?
#21
Posted 13 April 2012 - 03:24
#22
Posted 13 April 2012 - 04:49
#23
Posted 13 April 2012 - 05:28
Kimi of course is with Lotus ! And in Republic of China ! Possibly has chicks.Where cheapy was living...the plot thickens..The chinese may have thought he needed removing to make sure they got Lotus..Got an email, Cheapy was beheaded after vandalizing a bit with the Kimi chicks at RC. Sounds like it was long time coming to him.
And it appears his assistance to the North Koreans with their rocket did not help much....
Edited by johnny yuma, 13 April 2012 - 05:55.
#24
Posted 13 April 2012 - 07:44
I would very much like to have Cheapracer back. He is one of my favorites here, and I bet many of you would say the same.
I do for sure.
Please come back Cheapy!
#25
Posted 13 April 2012 - 08:02
It sounds like some people on the others forums here don't resonate with OZ humour - a great shame
#26
Posted 13 April 2012 - 08:54
#27
Posted 13 April 2012 - 09:19
Edited by GeoffR, 13 April 2012 - 09:19.
#28
Posted 13 April 2012 - 09:24
I am sure he can come back on another user name (may even be here already.......).
#29
Posted 13 April 2012 - 10:19
He created a thread intended as humor which must have pulled the leg of some pretty obnoxious folks over at RC (the Kimi chiks). How did it escalate into banning is anyone's guess.
And sorry for the really poorly crafted post above.
#30
Posted 13 April 2012 - 11:40
I didn't type 'vandalizing a thread', I wrote 'a bit'
He created a thread intended as humor which must have pulled the leg of some pretty obnoxious folks over at RC (the Kimi chiks). How did it escalate into banning is anyone's guess.
And sorry for the really poorly crafted post above.
I have just worked out that "RC" most likely means "Racing Comments". It seems a bit rough that Cheapy has been banned from all forums because of indiscretions on just one forum.
Especially rough on Cheapy as he said somewhere that the forum was his main English-speaking contact with the outside world.
Maybe there should be a survey/voting to decide if Cheapy (and possibly 24G and VP) return.
#31
Posted 13 April 2012 - 12:11
I didn't type 'vandalizing a thread', I wrote 'a bit'
He created a thread intended as humor which must have pulled the leg of some pretty obnoxious folks over at RC (the Kimi chiks). How did it escalate into banning is anyone's guess.
And sorry for the really poorly crafted post above.
Like a bit pregnant or a bit dead?
ok, I accept 'a bit of vandalizing', but it was apparently enough to make a moderator ban him. I have complete faith in the moderators here.
However, I also enjoyed Cheapy here (moreso than in RC, where his edge sometimes grated a bit) and hope for his return.
Edited by jcbc3, 13 April 2012 - 12:11.
#32
Posted 13 April 2012 - 13:52
And my vote is ... bring him back!
Edited by munks, 13 April 2012 - 13:52.
#33
Posted 13 April 2012 - 15:02
I knew what RC was, but I never visit it. What's a Kimi chik? Some sort of groupie for Raikkonen, or am I completely out to lunch (or both)?
And my vote is ... bring him back!
Good policy not to visit RC - what a waste of life it is !
and all too easy to get carried away and banned -
#34
Posted 13 April 2012 - 16:51
1 week - 1 month - 1 year.
restart from scratch after a year. Warnings arent too hard to give either.
Edited by MatsNorway, 13 April 2012 - 16:51.
#35
Posted 13 April 2012 - 18:34
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 04:46
#37
Posted 14 April 2012 - 09:04
I think it must be, because cheapy was banned from the Paddock Club but still able to post elsewhere. Also, it seems that we shouldn't even be discussing his removal, or any decision taken by the moderators. Not a complaint, just a comment...I don't think the technology exists to have a forum-specific ban within the forum's software.
Edited to say that I think it has been explained that the Paddock Club is different, but the thread that contained this info, and cheapy's affirmation that he was indeed banned, has been deleted, so I couldn't check.
Edited by Tony Matthews, 14 April 2012 - 09:07.
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 14:26
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 03:26
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#40
Posted 15 April 2012 - 08:41
Edited by Greg Locock, 15 April 2012 - 08:50.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 09:40