58 cuban gp
Posted 28 February 2001 - 07:42
can someone tell me about the gp and the race result ?
Posted 28 February 2001 - 08:59
Posted 28 February 2001 - 11:09
Posted 28 February 2001 - 12:41
Posted 28 February 2001 - 16:55
Posted 28 February 2001 - 18:49
II GP de Cuba
1. - 4 - Ferrari 335S #0674 3.5 - Stirling Moss - GB - 6 - 12:59,03 / pr. 2. - 1:59,20
2. - Ferrari 4.9 - Masten Gregory - USA - 6 - 13:00,00 / Pr. 3.- 02:01,50
3. - Maserati 450S - Carroll Shelby - USA - 6 - 13:15,00
4. - Ferrari 3.8 - Wolfgang von Trips - D - 6 - 13:26,08
5. - Maserati 200S - Harry Schell - USA - 6 - 13:39,05
6. - Maserati 200S - Jo Bonnier - S - 6 - 13:45,08
7. - Maserati 300S - Jean Behra - F - 6 - 13:46,01 / pr. 4. - 02:05,400
8. - Ferrari 3.5 - Ed Crawford - USA - 6 - 13:47,00
9. - Ferrari 3.5 - Paul O'Shea - USA - 6 - 13:50,00
10. - Maserati 200S - Giorgio Scarlatti - I - 6 - 13:51,00
11. - Maserati 450S - Maurice Trintignant - F - 6 - 13:52,00
12. - Ferrari 3.0 - Piero Drogo - YV - 6 - 13:53,00
13. - Porsche 1.6 - Roberto Miéres - RA - 5 - 11:35,00
14. - Ferrari TR 2.0 - Bruce Kessler - USA - 5 - 11:51,09
15. - Ferrari TR 2.0 - Bob Said - USA - 5 - 12:03,20
16. - Maserati 450S - Jim Kimberley - USA - 5 - 12:10,05
17. - Porsche 1.6 - von Dory - 5 - 12:11,05
18. - Porsche 1.6 - Ulf Norinder - S - 5 - 12:12,00
19. - 8 - Ferrari 335S - Phil Hill - USA - 5 - 12:12,04 / Pr.2. - 1:59,20
20. - Ferrari TR 2.0 - A. Carredas - 5 - 12:27,05
21. - Maserati 300S - Francisco Godia - E - 5 - 12:28,0
22. - Ferrari TR 2.0 - M. de la Mesa - 5 - 12:32,02
23. - Ferrari TR 2.0 - Porfirio Rubirosa - 5 - 12:23,00
24. - Ferrari TR 2.0 - C. Flynn - 5 - 12:34,00
25. - OSCA 1.5 - Luigi Piotti - I - 5 - 15:53,00
26. - Maserati 300S - Cesare Perdisa - I - 4 - 12:24,00
R - Ferrari TR 2.0 - Armando Cifuentes - CU - Accident
NS - Maserati 450S - Juan Manuel Fangio - RA / Pr. 1 - 1:59,2
Posted 28 February 2001 - 21:18
It's odd that it's such an infamous race and so little is known about it...
Posted 28 February 2001 - 22:13
Posted 01 March 2001 - 16:46
A large purse and other benefits such as starting money, free lodging, und so weiter, made the race an event.
The circuit was through the streets of downtown Havana and along the seaside (Monaco like). The problems were driver safety and crowd control. The spectators would reach out to touch their hero, as the car sped by. They also played "chicken," with the high speed machines, jumping out of the way at the last second. I had heard that the "oil incident," was done by some spectators "to make the race exciting." Akin to the Carrera where spectators would turn or even remove road signs along the route.
The Maestro, for years afterwards, recounted how well he had been treated and that he actually had sympathy with their cause. Not the real Communist cause so much as the freedom of the Cuban people from the dictatorial Batista.
Considering that, if it hadn't been for a "benevolent," dictator Fangio would never had the chance to race in Europe.
Posted 01 March 2001 - 18:41
Last year a revival was proposed,I was looking into flights & hotels before I heard it was cancelled.
Posted 01 March 2001 - 19:17
Posted 01 March 2001 - 19:19
Sorry guys, I couldn't wait for one of you to post that comment, I had to do it myself!
Posted 02 March 2001 - 00:02
All things considered, the Castro regime was kicking all the Americans and their companies out.
Posted 02 March 2001 - 13:54
Posted 02 March 2001 - 16:44
The way I sloshed Sandlerbrau Marzen bier back then, knowing the location of the toilet was vitally important. In the Sixties at Bischofsgrun, Fichtelgebirge, it was usually out in back next to the honey wagen.
When I returned to Germany (Heidelberg) in 1979, the Armed Forces Radio, Television Service (AFRTS) performed a public service for the ami's by providing a phrase of the day. "Wo ist die toilette?" was the most useful I heard them use. I was never able to insert, "There are many military vehicles on the autobahn, today." into a pick up conversation on the Hauptstrasse.
I, by the way, did not live on a compound. I lived in the lovely little town of Nussloch.
Posted 02 March 2001 - 17:34
Posted 02 March 2001 - 22:16
We were in Zweibrucken looking for a place to eat. Driving from the "French Kaserne" toward the city center, we passed a gasthaus within walking distance of our lodgings.
I said. "There's a place right there." The guy looked at me and said. "No, we can't go there...Too many Germans. I know that there is a Wienerwald downtown."
I said. "No, that's all right. I'll get out here." Within a couple of days I had my own stammtisch.
The guy? As far as I know, he is still looking for that Wienerwald.
Erste Kulmbacher was another one of my favorites. None of this Doktor Oettger stuff for me.
Posted 03 March 2001 - 21:37
It is of the 57GP from the programme, the 58 was on the same layout.
I also have some photo's of the hotel room that Fangio was held in as a hostage.
Just tell me how.
Posted 03 March 2001 - 22:07
Go to a post with pics and hit quote and you'll see it done...
Posted 03 March 2001 - 23:08
Sorry but I have no website that I can add the jpegs to.
If anyone wants them maybe they can be emailed.
I will also add that the 57 & 58 GP's were on the same track. 59 was cancelled due to a coup. 60 saw a new GP held on a purpose built track just outside Havana. This track held just a few races before becoming a housing estate.
I will be in Havana within the next few months, my freind was one of the photographers at the 57 58 GP and has good knowledge of the GP's, any questions please ask, in Spanish preferably as he speaks no English and details get lost in my translations !!!
Posted 03 March 2001 - 23:27
Posted 03 March 2001 - 23:44
OK just e mailed the jpegs
the track is split over 2 pages. there are a couple of photos of the current road and 4 photo's of the Hotel Lincon.
Text on the slab reads:
EN LA NOCHE DEL 23 2 1958 CN ESTE
MISMO LUGAR FUE SECUESTRADO POR
UN COMANDO DEL MOVIMIENTO 25 DE JUI IO
DIRIGIDO POR ESCAR LUCERO EL CINCO
ELLE SIGNIFICO UN EFER---NVO GOLP--
BASTISTIANA Y UN IMPORTANTESCSTIMVLO
PARA LAS FVERZAS REVOLVOU----RIAS
Posted 04 March 2001 - 09:21
Posted 26 January 2003 - 13:17
Reason I ask is I just been to Cuba & my guide told me that the raceway was on the roads that make up the outer "bowl" of 'modern' Havana - which makes sense due to the roads - a sort of wide Monaco
However my guide also said Batista was killed in 1959 (When, of course, he died peacefully in 1974). He was anti-Castro & (Bizarrely, as he was born in 1964) very pro-Batista big time though, so he may be telling the truth otherwise, but one cannot tell as I met antoher guide who is pro-Castro & he wasn't really sure as he preferred baseball.
Nice people, but never the same story told the same way twice!
Posted 26 January 2003 - 15:57
Posted 26 January 2003 - 16:48
there is a book about raceing in cuba
and later cuban run [ ralf sanchez ] miami gp's downtown
in the 80's
Posted 11 February 2003 - 19:21
Nice, isn't it?
Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:01
Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:04
Regarding the bottom picture of Fangio meeting Batista, isn't that Roberto Mieres rather than Stirling Moss behind Fangio ?