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#51 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:42

Hoddo saw his problems as two-fold - firstly JRA had just advised all their dealers that they were rationalising the network and that Jaguar dealers were to be culled from 17 down to 5, but that the remaining 5 had to commit to a multi-million$ upgrade of facilities, or else. Then, to compound the issue, our Treasurer Paul Keating, announced the luxury tax on cars above a price threshold, and Hoddo saw that as the inevitable final nail in the financial future of his business.
He was a larger than life character who ran every inch of the way, and hang the consequences, and I suspect that he may have been a bit bi-polar, with huge highs and lows.
His business was huge and complex, but also ran very close to the wind, relying to a large, and many thought precarious extent, on cash-flow, so that the above two issues were clearly going to have a severe impact.
He was vibrant character who was tough, straight, and good to work for and with, believing that you should have fun in everything that you do, but also to do it to the best level.
Was there ever any dark side to his demise? As one who who did business with him, sat on committees with him, and drove for him - I certainly don't believe so.

David, I thought that Ron was a Holden dealer? Plus JRA products as well as used?
Though the luxury tax was the death of quite a few upmarket franchises nationally.

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#52 Lola5000

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 11:17

Wonder what happened to the Jaguar mark 2 he built up for historic racing?

#53 Richard Young

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 13:54

Little Chris,
The Northern Ireland Stock Car/Rod man was Leslie Dallas. He was also a handy asutotester and quick on his occasional hill climb appearances. His son Alan appeared in FF1600 and FVL in the 90s.


#54 seldo

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 16:03

David, I thought that Ron was a Holden dealer? Plus JRA products as well as used?
Though the luxury tax was the death of quite a few upmarket franchises nationally.

Yes - he was a Holden dealer ....as well as Mazda, Jaguar, Range Rover, Land Rover, Rover, Mini, Triumph, and possibly a few others I've forgotten. As a fellow Range Rover, Land Rover, Rover, Mini, Triumph dealer we had a fair bit to do with each other, and i also drove the JRA sponsored Triumph Dynamites under his banner.....

#55 Doug Nye

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 19:05

Nick Whiting's relationship with Charlie makes one think about the probity of all the participants in the F1 circus.


Illogical, unjustified twaddle...

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#56 Nigel Beresford

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 19:25

Illogical, unjustified twaddle...

DCN


You're being too kind Doug. I thought his post was deeply offensive.


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Posted 20 April 2012 - 20:12

Little Chris,
The Northern Ireland Stock Car/Rod man was Leslie Dallas. He was also a handy asutotester and quick on his occasional hill climb appearances. His son Alan appeared in FF1600 and FVL in the 90s.

Thank you for getting there before me. As I remember I wasn't quite sure it was Mr Dallas, but I do remember it as an extremely unpleasant drive-by shooting. Not what we want or like.

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 20:13

Little Chris,
The Northern Ireland Stock Car/Rod man was Leslie Dallas. He was also a handy asutotester and quick on his occasional hill climb appearances. His son Alan appeared in FF1600 and FVL in the 90s.

Thank you for getting there before me. As I remember I wasn't quite sure it was Mr Dallas, but I do remember it as an extremely unpleasant drive-by shooting. Not what we want or like.

#59 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 23:01

Yes - he was a Holden dealer ....as well as Mazda, Jaguar, Range Rover, Land Rover, Rover, Mini, Triumph, and possibly a few others I've forgotten. As a fellow Range Rover, Land Rover, Rover, Mini, Triumph dealer we had a fair bit to do with each other, and i also drove the JRA sponsored Triumph Dynamites under his banner.....

The Dynamite was reasonably quick for 1/2 a race!

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#60 GMACKIE

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 23:13

I seem to recall Bob Morris doing well in one.

#61 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:08

I seem to recall Bob Morris doing well in one.

But often only until it blew up.
I am reading Nigel mansells autobiography ATM. He was in a Dolomite powered F3 [Unipart] Evidently good cars except for the engines!

#62 JoBo

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:46

Can anyone give dates for Rick Bussell, Garry Coglan & Joe Giubardo?

Otherwise I have the following motor racing people who were intentionally killed by the hands of other people (including legal or illegal executions):
29 Jun 1940 Stanisław Hołuj (Pol,41)
02 Sep 1941 Lloyd Seay (USA,21)
21 Mar 1942 Georges Paulin (Fra,39)
30 Sep 1942 Harry Torin (GBr,30)
29 Mar 1944 Gordon Brettell (GBr,29)
26 Apr 1944 Violette Morris (Fra,51)
11 Sep 1944 Robert Benoist (Fra,49)
?? Jan 1945 Eckard von Kalnein (Ger,52)
03 Mar 1945 René Biolay (Fra)
23 Mar 1945 „W. Williams“ (GBr,42)
27 Apr 1945 Claudio Fogolin (Ita,72)
28 Apr 1945 Ugo Gobbato (Ita,56)
15 May 1945 Edoardo Teagno (Ita,43)
09 Nov 1945 Norbert Sinner (Lux,38)
20 Nov 1954 William Jackson (Aus,37)
10 Apr 1955 David Blakely (GBr,25)
23 Aug 1963 Floyd Powell (USA,32)
09 Apr 1971 Henry Pens (USA,31)
17 Jun 1971 Bob Pronger (USA,49)
21 Jun 1974 Bobby Burns (USA,52)
21 Sep 1974 Charley Engle (USA,67)
30 May 1976 Elmer George (USA,47)
?? Feb 1977 Bill Main (USA,33)
07 Feb 1978 Bobby Aylward (USA,c.43)
26 Nov 1983 Jim Cook (USA,62)
?? Jan 1984 Jerry Petty (USA,c.28)
05 Mar 1987 Stewart McLeod (Aus,46)
16 Mar 1988 Mickey Thompson (USA,59)
27 Oct 1988 Meyer Botha (SAf,51)
23 Feb 1989 Roy Tyner (USA,55)
29 Mar 1990 Ron Hodgson (Aus)
?? Jun 1990 Nick Whiting (GBr,43)
21 Nov 1993 Andely Chan (32)
15 Jul 1997 Cheryl Glass (USA,35)
25 Mar 1998 Chris Trickle (USA,25)
27 Mar 2000 Jack Boggs (USA,49)
31 Jul 2001 John McNicol (SAf,59)
19 Feb 2002 Cletuis Samqua (USA,75)
12 Dec 2002 George Collazo (USA,33)
14 Apr 2003 Steve Brucker (USA,51)
26 Jan 2005 Jim Booth (USA,64)
30 Mar 2009 Jackie Pretorius (SAf,74)
15 Apr 2009 Franco Ambrosio (Ita,76)
18 Jul 2009 Ricardo Londoño (Col,59)
21 Mar 2010 Michel Deleuze (Fra,53)
14 Jan 2012 Donnie Ray Crawford (USA,24)

There are some cases of people gone missing who were probably murdered (or just disappeared):
17 May 1945 Edoardo Weber (Ita,55)
?? Apr 1960 Tony Parravano (USA)
04 Oct 1978 Giancarlo Bussi (Ita)
09 Sep 2005 Manfred Günther (Ger,63)
and the most recent one:
30 Mar 2012 Hugo Charles (Ned,46)


What happened with Bobby Burns?

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#63 ReWind

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 11:17

Shot by his wife. Although on FindAGrave it is claimed he killed his wife and later turned the gun on himself the official verdict stated that it was him who died first.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 15:57

Little Chris,
The Northern Ireland Stock Car/Rod man was Leslie Dallas. He was also a handy asutotester and quick on his occasional hill climb appearances. His son Alan appeared in FF1600 and FVL in the 90s.


Thanks Richard.


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Posted 22 April 2012 - 19:24

Julio Devoto, also known as "Ampacama", used to race against Juan Manuel Fangio and the Galvez brothers in the Argentinian Turismo Carretera series during the '40s and '50s. He scored 12 wins during his career, which lasted until the '60s, and was shot dead in 1973, in a very confusing episode, when he out ran a police blockade in Villa Union (La Rioja). A bullet went through his head.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 20:03

Alfio Gambero. A Sicilian from Catania. Manufactured and drove an Alfa Romeo engined sports racer called an ALGA.

Killed by the mafia about 15 years ago. But that really didn't surprise me.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 20:05

But often only until it blew up.
I am reading Nigel mansells autobiography ATM. He was in a Dolomite powered F3 [Unipart] Evidently good cars except for the engines!


Cannot say I totally agree with you there. The Sprints were pretty succesfull in there time in the Saloon car series in Britain. Had one myself briefly, and never had a problem with it regarding the powerplant. Overdrive could be a bit tempremental if one used it too much in second gear though, but a great car I thought. Could show a pair of heels to a 2002 BM as well.

#68 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:12

Merv Waggott was no mean engine man...

He built twin-cam heads for Holdens, he created the Waggott 2-litre 4-valve engine which was in a class of its own in Australian racing at the time.

On looking at the Dolomite blocks, he made a pronouncement:

"Typical Poms! Three eighths of an inch of cast iron to hold in the water, thirty thou to hold in the horsepower!"

These cars raced with bearings half-way along their axle shafts to stop whipping (shhh! Don't tell!) and a multitude of other bodge-ups to make them appear reliable.

The biggest thing they did for motorists in Australia was to make room under the Button Plan for more Peugeot 505s to be sold here.

#69 GMACKIE

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:19

Merv had an amazing ability to look a an engine part, and see any weaknesses. Jack Bono took the [seized big-end] crank from my 40hp VW engine, in 1961, to Merv check out. He took one look [he had never seen one before], and remarked that the oil-ways were drilled all wrong. The new crank was the same, so Merv re-drilled it the way he thought it should be. Never had any more trouble. VW changed the drilling of their cranks not long after that! :rolleyes:

#70 wagons46

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 05:00


I know Merv Waggott was killed in a plane crash, but I don't believe it was murder.

Or have we gone right off topic?







#71 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 06:28

This is 'sidelight discussion' about Ron Hodgson...

So I guess you could say we're a little off topic.

#72 Catalina Park

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:42

A long way off topic seeing how Ron Hodgson was not murdered and shouldn't have even been in this thread.

#73 GMACKIE

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:56

I could murder a beer.

#74 962C

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 09:26

I understand French GT driver Jean-Claude Geurie was murdered in a crime of passion sometime in the late 70s-early 80s.

French rally driver Bernard Donguès was murdered by robbers in 1995 in Guatemala, while cycling throug hSouth America.

Not a driver, but Sodemo founder Bernard Mangé was killed by an angry customer in his son's bike shop in Sep 2010, who hit him in the head with his crash helmet.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 16:24

Adelmo Fossati, F.3, Touring and Historic cars racer from Monza, was kidnapped and murdered in 1980 http://vittimemafia....o...a&Itemid=67

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 03:11


I saw a murder of crows this morning.

They were having a sidelight discussion about Ron Hodgson.

I gave them both barrels and told them to get back on topic.



#77 Tony Matthews

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 03:14

:lol:

#78 Graham Clayton

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 05:55

Former NASCAR driver Jerry Schild was murdered on the 4th of August 2012, aged 57, by a co-worker in North Dakota:

http://katytimes.com...1a4bcf887a.html

The William Jackson whom I mentioned in the first post was an English stock car driver. The reference to his murder was from an Australian newspaper, hence the confusion.

#79 Graham Gauld

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 09:00

What happened with Bobby Burns?

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I note that Andely Chan is mentioned. I was at Macau when Chan was murdered along with his chief mechanic and a girlfriend coming out of a nightclub. Chan was a Triad member who, apparently, was on his way up. One of the main British Hong Kong-based marshals was in the anti-triad squad of the Hong Kong police and admitted that they had been tipped off that an attempt would be made on Chan but had no idea when it would be.

When we woke up on the morning of the Macau Formula 3 race we found horrendous photos in the Chinese papers showing Chan and his mechanic slumped over the dash of the 4x4 they were driving. At the Macau races there is always a race for Chinese drivers in saloon cars where there is heavy betting as Triad bosses entered their private drivers. Chan, however, was keen on racing and had finished, I think, third in the race and went out celebrating on the Saturday night. It later turned out that two Triad hit men were employed from across the Macau border and they drove into Macau on a motorcycle., As Chan and his crew left the nightclub the two men stopped on their motorcycle, shot the occupants and then sped off to the Macau/China border and were back in China before the police arrived on the scene. Exciting times.

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#80 ensign14

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 12:11

Interesting to me (see sig for clues) is that Mr Chan was accused of giving HK$10k to Hong Kong police officers, and Chan was murdered shortly before he was due to give evidence in the trial against the officers. One of those officers was Peter Pannu, who is now vice-chairman of Birmingham City...

#81 R.W. Mackenzie

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 21:49

I'll bet there's quite a list of drivers who were lucky they weren't murdered by their team managers, team mates, fellow competitors, sponsors, etc.

But then I guess that would be a whole new topic.

Bob Mackenzie

#82 john winfield

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 22:55

I'll bet there's quite a list of drivers who were lucky they weren't murdered by their team managers, team mates, fellow competitors, sponsors, etc.

But then I guess that would be a whole new topic.

Bob Mackenzie


Good point, Bob.

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#83 terry mcgrath

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 00:25

His original racing MKII survives

Wonder what happened to the Jaguar mark 2 he built up for historic racing?



#84 philippe7

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 04:15

Not a driver, but Sodemo founder Bernard Mangé was killed by an angry customer in his son's bike shop in Sep 2010, who hit him in the head with his crash helmet.


Bernard Mangé certainly was a driver ( under the alias "Francia" ) before he turned to full-time engine tuning ; he even won the 1970 R8 Gordini Cup which was usually the breeding ground and stepping stone for many french up-and-coming drivers at the time

Edited by philippe7, 15 March 2013 - 04:19.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 14:47

Bernard Mangé certainly was a driver ( under the alias "Francia" ) before he turned to full-time engine tuning ; he even won the 1970 R8 Gordini Cup which was usually the breeding ground and stepping stone for many french up-and-coming drivers at the time

I stand corrected.

#86 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 07:15

There are some cases of people gone missing who were probably murdered (or just disappeared):
.....
and the most recent one:
30 Mar 2012 Hugo Charles (Ned,46)


After a long silence there was a police investigation in May this year in a IJmuiden warehouse. Nothing found though that could lead to car dealer and BMW 123/Renault Megane racer Charles. He left his home on March 29th, so that is the official date of missing. His disappearing is linked to stolen classic cars (of which he may have known too much) as well as a shooting one day before he was last seen. The shooting was heard in another shack were the police later found a damaged car with traces of drugs and a label of Charles company.

Edited by Arjan de Roos, 20 June 2013 - 07:18.


#87 ReWind

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 07:08

The latest victim in a long series of murders on Corsica was Patrice Madelaine. The 50-year-old GT racer was shot to death on Wednesday (18 September 2013) near Ajaccio.

http://www.leparisie...013-3148033.php

 



#88 jimjimjeroo

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 15:16

Which racing drivers were executed!?

#89 ReWind

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 18:25

From my earlier list:

Georges Paulin, Gordon Brettell, Robert Benoist, Eckard von Kalnein, René Biolay, „W. Williams“, Claudio Fogolin, Edoardo Teagno, Norbert Sinner



#90 RogerFrench

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 22:26

Arguably, Violette Morris was executed also.

#91 W154

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 11:14

Last year I wrote on the "Driven to Crime" thread about Australian sports car driver Alex Tsakmakis, who was bludgeoned to death by 7 blows of a sack filled with 20kg of gym weights.

Some would say a shocking,  violent death. Others would say he got what he deserved.

Tsakmakis, a convicted double murderer,  was in prison when he was murdered by a fellow prisoner. He was widely considered by police to be responsible for 9 more murders, plus one more, when in prison he burnt a fellow inmate to death, earning him the nickname "The BBQ King".

Not the kind of person to be rubbing guards with during a race !!



#92 RShaw

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 22:48

Add to the list the June 16, 1982, murder of Dr. Robert "Bugsy" Barnard, one of the founders of the short series of road races through the streets of Aspen, CO, held from 1951 through 1954. Barnard was one of the colorful characters in the sea of colorful characters that formed the population of Aspen in 1950s and 1960s, and served as mayor from 1965-1971. The mayoral election of 1969 was recounted to some extent by gonzo journalist, and Aspen resident, Hunter S. Thompson in his collection of essays "The Great Shark Hunt: Strange Tales from a Strange Time."
Barnard's body was discovered in the barn/garage/workshop of his home in Lamy, New Mexico, dead of a single gun shot to the forehead. Police investigation revealed that a considerable struggle had taken place inside the house. No arrests have ever been made in the crime.

Edited by RShaw, 24 September 2013 - 22:56.


#93 ensign14

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 21:49

Enzo Pastor

 

Filipino V8 driver killed on the way to a race.  Only 32.



#94 Dipster

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 06:44

Interesting to me (see sig for clues) is that Mr Chan was accused of giving HK$10k to Hong Kong police officers, and Chan was murdered shortly before he was due to give evidence in the trial against the officers. One of those officers was Peter Pannu, who is now vice-chairman of Birmingham City...

HK$10K? At today's ROE that is not, I imagine, enough to bribe a senior (I presume as you say "accused") copper in what, again, I presume, to be a triad-related affair. I wonder whether the amount or the accusation is wrong.



#95 Paul Parker

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 07:41

From my earlier list:

Georges Paulin, Gordon Brettell, Robert Benoist, Eckard von Kalnein, René Biolay, „W. Williams“, Claudio Fogolin, Edoardo Teagno, Norbert Sinner

 

So was Teagno executed by the Germans or by Italians and do you know when?



#96 Vitesse2

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 08:32

So was Teagno executed by the Germans or by Italians and do you know when?

Italian partisans, some time in early March 1945.

 

http://forums.autosp...-3#entry3711371

 

If you search Google Italy for Teagno's and Ronza's names together you'll find several references. The most reliable seems to be 'Il sangue dei vinti' on Google Books. The first result claims it happened in May 1946, which is clearly wrong!



#97 ReWind

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 08:44

Ansel Rakestraw was murdered in 2004. (Source)



#98 Derwent Motorsport

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 09:56

Interesting that so many of the list are Amercian. Does that just reflect American society or that there are more "dodgy" Americans in US motorsport?



#99 ensign14

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 10:13

Might also be reporting bias or the sheer number of Americans - a proper comparison population-wise would be the European racing world.

 

But from this thread it's safer to be a US racing driver than retired South African... :(



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#100 Paul Parker

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 07:36

Italian partisans, some time in early March 1945.

 

http://forums.autosp...-3#entry3711371

 

If you search Google Italy for Teagno's and Ronza's names together you'll find several references. The most reliable seems to be 'Il sangue dei vinti' on Google Books. The first result claims it happened in May 1946, which is clearly wrong!

 

Thank you for that, much appreciated.

 

It raises the question as to whether Teagno was a pro-Mussolini 'fascist' or the victim of communist partisans who murdered people on the basis of their ideology, as apparently happened in France too.