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#201 Muppetmad

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:36

False. If a wall instead of painted concrete Lewis would have lift off, and he didn't.


How is that relevant? All that shows is that the disadvantage was less than it would have been if a wall was there. It doesn't detract from the fact that being forced off the track onto a concrete run-off area is not advantageous.

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#202 Fudce

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:38

How is that relevant? All that shows is that the disadvantage was less than it would have been if a wall was there. It doesn't detract from the fact that being forced off the track onto a concrete run-off area is not advantageous.


Ask yourself.

"If Lewis had not gone off track there, would he be in a better position?"

If yes, then he's fine. If no, he had an advantage.

#203 4MEN

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:43

From what perspective? That was an abrupt move too but he left more than a car's width at the inside edge of the track.


I don't know if there's a rule regarding abruptness! Imagine a crossroad in which you have preference and the one who comes from the right has a stop signal. If he doesn't stop it's his fault, he should. But if he brakes in the very last moment and very abruptly, making you stop... then what? Maybe Rosberg was in front and not alongside, but the move was too abrupt, like Perez one in China.


After the Alonso incident, Rosberg radioed his team and said: "Oops, I did it again"

:up: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Edited by 4MEN, 22 April 2012 - 16:46.


#204 NoDivergence

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:49

Ask yourself.

"If Lewis had not gone off track there, would he be in a better position?"

If yes, then he's fine. If no, he had an advantage.


The answer to that is yes. Yes indeed. The problem is that overtaking doesn't necessarily imply it was through advantage. Here, the overtaking was done DESPITE disadvantage

#205 Atreiu

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:50

This weekend he went back to his completely uninspiring self which must trouble Brawn, plus some chopps taken from Schumacher.

#206 FlashMaster

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:53

Breaking news: No further action taken against Nico Rosberg

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#207 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:53

Breaking news: No further action taken against Nico Rosberg

#208 Kvothe

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:53

How anyone can state Lewis going in a straight line on concrete with sand on top is a an advantage needs their head checked.

Edit: hopefully we can move on then.

Edited by Kvothe, 22 April 2012 - 16:54.


#209 Diablobb81

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:54

No penalty. Lol

#210 Atreiu

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:54

Perhaps a clarification and then having stewards stick to it definitely will be fine. I thought the moves were borderline. There wasn't a wall, like Hungaroring 2010, but what could have happened if either Hamilton or Alonso lost complete controle at those speeds and headed straight to the barrier? Wouldn't be pretty anyway.

#211 Muppetmad

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:54

Well, that sets a dangerous precedent.

#212 NoDivergence

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:55

Oh great, now what kind of example will this give for Massa

#213 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:56

No penalty for Rosberg re manoeuvre with Lewis Hamilton. Still awaiting decision on move with Alonso.

#214 Augurk

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:56

Oh my, imagine it had been Hamilton himself or Schumacher doing the move. Would've been a different outcome I'd bet.

#215 jrg19

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:56

Nico escapes through being Ross' driver no doubt.

At least Lewis wasn't killed.

#216 NoDivergence

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:56

Perhaps a clarification and then having stewards stick to it definitely will be fine. I thought the moves were borderline. There wasn't a wall, like Hungaroring 2010, but what could have happened if either Hamilton or Alonso lost complete controle at those speeds and headed straight to the barrier? Wouldn't be pretty anyway.


There was a concrete wall perpendicular to the track that Hamilton came within 1.5 feet of at 140 mph. I'm not sure there are many things more dangerous

#217 4MEN

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:57

How anyone can state Lewis going in a straight line on concrete with sand on top is a an advantage needs their head checked.

Edit: hopefully we can move on then.


AGAIN: if instead of dusty painted concrete run off there was a beautiful concrete wall, or even grass, or astrotuf or whatever, Hamilton wouldn't have passed. Check your head.

#218 Octavian

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:57

No penalty?


Good!


Yes Smugberg deserved one but now the precedent is back for aggressive drivers like Hamilton and Alonso to hustle round the track like they used to. Rosberg may find things a little harder with those two in the next race I suspect!

#219 Ellios

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:57

No penalty for Rosberg re manoeuvre with Lewis Hamilton. Still awaiting decision on move with Alonso.


no penalty for both drivers? HAM - ROS


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#220 NoDivergence

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:57

No penalty for Rosberg re manoeuvre with Lewis Hamilton. Still awaiting decision on move with Alonso.


No penalty re Hamilton means no penalty re Alonso. If he does get a penalty, then the stewards are a complete farce for inconsistency

#221 MidKnight

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:57

It's a one move block, tough but fair...both drivers being blocked can simply change directions back and Rosberg has to stay where he is...

#222 jamiegc

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:58

At least Lewis wasn't killed.


A tad melodramatic :rolleyes:

#223 Disgrace

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:58

Well, that sets a dangerous precedent.


Nope. Who do you think we're dealing with? Toddlers?

Oh great, now what kind of example will this give for Massa


Remember India last season? He has already received a penalty for his turning-in antics.

Edited by Disgrace, 22 April 2012 - 16:58.


#224 Seanspeed

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:58

What a joke. Not even a warning?

Ok drivers. Let it be known that you are allowed to just run a car off the road if they're beside you. Fantastic. :up:

#225 Markn93

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:59

Nico escapes through being Ross' driver no doubt.

At least Lewis wasn't killed.


+1 My whole perspective of the weekend changed when I saw how narrowly he avoided the wall.

I think though that this was a cop out decision because it was obvious to almost everyone how dangerous Rosberg's driving was.

#226 NoDivergence

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 16:59

Nope. Who do you think we're dealing with? Toddlers?



Remember India last season? He has already received a penalty for his turning-in antics.


So now he'll not only turn in, but he'll crowd out and force others off the track. Oh wait, Nico already does that

#227 Kvothe

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:00

AGAIN: if instead of dusty painted concrete run off there was a beautiful concrete wall, or even grass, or astrotuf or whatever, Hamilton wouldn't have passed. Check your head.


Just because something is more improbable doesn't make it impossible. Vis a vis Rosberg running parrallel on the tarmac it wasn't an advantage, a point of view the stewards agree with.

#228 sharo

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:00

No penalty?


Good!


Yes Smugberg deserved one but now the precedent is back for aggressive drivers like Hamilton and Alonso to hustle round the track like they used to. Rosberg may find things a little harder with those two in the next race I suspect!

You think this can stop stewards from penalizing a driver for the same move if his name is Hamilton or Schumacher?

#229 jrg19

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:01

Be interesting in Monaco.

#230 Seanspeed

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:02

You think this can stop stewards from penalizing a driver for the same move if his name is Hamilton or Schumacher?

Lewis has gotten off lightly in many situations.

But you're right that it wont stop the stewards for penalizing another driver for this very thing later on in the season. Inconsistency is their forte.

#231 VresiBerba

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:02

If it had been Schumacher this would have been a fun 100-page thread.

But Britney is such a nice guy.

You think that was nice? I understand what you're on about, but no-one here thinks that what Nico did was 'nice'. Personally I think Nico should be banned for at least one race.

#232 Apex2

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:02

Oh great! No pen for ROS?

What sort of presedent dose that set?

Can now see if he try's it again the others will twat him off, and say he caused an avoidable accedent.

#233 JRizzle86

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:02

Massa might use this precedent for some interesting defensive manoeuvres in future.

#234 VresiBerba

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:03

Lewis has gotten off lightly in many situations.

:rotfl:

Edit: Name the MANY situations.

Edited by VresiBerba, 22 April 2012 - 17:04.


#235 jamiegc

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:03

Be interesting in Monaco.


Only if somebody tries to overtake through the harbour  ;)

#236 Muppetmad

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:04

Nope. Who do you think we're dealing with? Toddlers?


Drivers will push the envelope as much as possible to win the championship - by allowing such aggressive defensive driving, the stewards are paving the way for similar moves in the future. Now, Alonso and Hamilton were able to react well to the situation - they're experienced world champions - but put a rookie in that situation and I doubt they'll respond so adeptly.

#237 NoDivergence

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:04

Only if somebody tries to overtake through the harbour ;)


But that'd be an advantage!!!!!!!!!

#238 Juan Kerr

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:04

No penalty?


Good!


Yes Smugberg deserved one but now the precedent is back for aggressive drivers like Hamilton and Alonso to hustle round the track like they used to. Rosberg may find things a little harder with those two in the next race I suspect!

Problem is...Hamilton will get a penalty lol

#239 StefanArak

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:04

AGAIN: if instead of dusty painted concrete run off there was a beautiful concrete wall, or even grass, or astrotuf or whatever, Hamilton wouldn't have passed. Check your head.


So? If the track were wider, Hamilton would have passed without getting his tyres dirty. Neither of those two things are true or relevant.

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#240 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:04

No action taken in Rosberg v Alonso either.

#241 NoDivergence

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:05

Problem is...Hamilton will get a penalty lol


For christ's sake, it's true, lol. No matter what he does, can't get a friggin break

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:05

What a joke. Not even a warning?

Ok drivers. Let it be known that you are allowed to just run a car off the road if they're beside you. Fantastic. :up:


Except that... they weren't. Replays show that both LH and Alonso were behind Rosberg.

Edited by slmk, 22 April 2012 - 17:10.


#243 jamiegc

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:06

But that'd be an advantage!!!!!!!!!


The snorkel and propellers might be an aerodynamic disadvantage though.

#244 Diablobb81

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:06

You think that was nice? I understand what you're on about, but no-one here thinks that what Nico did was 'nice'. Personally I think Nico should be banned for at least one race.


I meant that Nico will escape punishment because he is a nice guy.

Last year (i don't remember which race) the stewards said in their decision that the didn't punish Nico because he is such a nice guy.

It's painfully obvious that he should be punished.

#245 Panktej

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:06

No action taken in Rosberg v Alonso either.

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#246 discover23

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:07

after watching this again.. I can see that it was both Alonso and Lewis decision to stick right behind Rosberg as if they were glued together. They had the choice to get out of the tow and by that time Roseberg could not have turn left to block since he is only allowed one move..

#247 FlashMaster

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:07

Justice :up:

#248 Anomnader

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:08

No action taken in Rosberg v Alonso either.



hmmm I wonder if anyone has ever before get a investigation twice for the same action in one race and never even get a reprimand?

#249 King Six

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:10

I'd like to see a replay of Rosberg and Hamilton, from what people are saying it's even worse when you look at onboard from Hamilton. I wonder how much McLaren/Ferrari pursued this, there was a place to gain by getting Rosberg docked

#250 Disgrace

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:10

Drivers will push the envelope as much as possible to win the championship - by allowing such aggressive defensive driving, the stewards are paving the way for similar moves in the future. Now, Alonso and Hamilton were able to react well to the situation - they're experienced world champions - but put a rookie in that situation and I doubt they'll respond so adeptly.


This is basic defensive driving, something rookies will pick upon before they reach F1. I haven't seen Vergne, Pic or Grosjean make irrational, stupid moves yet.

Edited by Disgrace, 22 April 2012 - 17:10.