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#51 flyer121

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 11:35

Kimi to HRT.

You heard it here first.



Kimi to McLaren ....

Perhaps you might have heard this before ..

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#52 Anderis

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 12:00

Let's try:
Red Bull: Vettel, Webber
McLaren: Button, Hamilton
Ferrari: Alonso, Perez
Mercedes: Rosberg, di Resta
Lotus: Raikkonen, Grosjean
Force India: Hulkenberg, Rossi
Sauber: Kobayashi, Bianchi
Toro Rosso: Vergne, Ricciardo
Williams: Bottas, Senna
Caterham: Kovalainen, d'Ambrosio
Marussia: Glock, Pic
HRT: Alguersuari, Maldonado
Nothing spectacular, I guess.

#53 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 12:02

2013 is too far away for me to really worry.
Webber to Ferrari would become a nightmare to his fans. Think of 2011 but many times worse thanks to Alonso.

Are you sure?

Piquet beat Alonso to the first podium of the season. Are you suggesting that Webber is worse than Piquet? Most reasonable pundits would place Piquet in the Pizzonia category.

Webber will be more comfortable with a less-front end orientated car as Alonso likes, IMO. The car will be far more simple - point and squirt. Unlike the RBR, there won't be the expectation to use the rear end sliding to get the car to turn sufficiently.



A fan friendly line-up:

Red Bull: Hamilton (#1), Vettel (Hamilton wins the wdc by a 48 points for most dominant McLaren season in quite some time... but the RBR contract for riches is already signed, the team is especially keen to keep the #1 plate, and is most pleased after all)
Ferrari: Alonso, Webber
McLaren: Button, Rosberg
Mercedes: di Resta, Alguersuari (test driver is promoted after solid testing efforts. a building team should have a development line-up of course - FI has done this and done no less than embarrassed them on multiple occassions... Mercedes learns their lesson from FI and wisens up.. cheap drivers means the R+D dept is loaded with cash for maximum attack)
Lotus: Raikkonen, Grosjean
Force India: Hulkenberg, Massa


The assumption that established drivers are somehow better than rookies, is of course absurd. None the less the "modern" Alesis and Bergers march on hogging those seats!!

Edited by V8 Fireworks, 29 January 2012 - 12:13.


#54 KoezhVukotic

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 12:10

Red Bull: Vettel, Ricciardo
McLaren: Button, Hamilton
Ferrari: Alonso, Perez
Mercedes: Rosberg, di Resta
Lotus: Kimi, Grosjean
Force India: Hulk, Bianchi
Sauber: Kobayashi, Gutierrez
Torro Rosso: Vergne, Williamson
Williams: Maldonado, Bottas
Caterham: Kovalainen, Rossi
Marussia: Glock, Pic/Wickens
HRT: de la Rosa, van der Garde

#55 jj2728

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 13:36

why is everyone so sure Alonso is gonna stay with Ferrari for 2013?


#56 Starish

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 13:39

A fan friendly line-up:

Red Bull: Hamilton (#1), Vettel (Hamilton wins the wdc by a 48 points for most dominant McLaren season in quite some time... but the RBR contract for riches is already signed, the team is especially keen to keep the #1 plate, and is most pleased after all)
Ferrari: Alonso, Webber
McLaren: Button, Rosberg
Mercedes: di Resta, Alguersuari (test driver is promoted after solid testing efforts. a building team should have a development line-up of course - FI has done this and done no less than embarrassed them on multiple occassions... Mercedes learns their lesson from FI and wisens up.. cheap drivers means the R+D dept is loaded with cash for maximum attack)
Lotus: Raikkonen, Grosjean
Force India: Hulkenberg, Massa


This is far from fan friendly, Webber will never see a Ferrari seat and would be dead weight t Alonso in 2013 plus that seat is reserved for the youth, (Sergio, Bianchi, Kobayashi).
That Mercedes Line-up is so shit, Alguersauri will never see a Mercedes AMG GP seat, you logic about FI, they had Fisi and then Sutil in their most successful season, well groomed drivers by then.

#57 ferrarijon123

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 13:45

why is everyone so sure Alonso is gonna stay with Ferrari for 2013?

Because he's done very well since joining and going by the amount of chances Massa's had to prove himself, even if Alonso does have a bad year he'll definately still be there in 2013.

#58 FTATRWeSaluteYou

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 13:48

why is everyone so sure Alonso is gonna stay with Ferrari for 2013?


Because Vettel and Alonso have the safest seats in F1. Both locked in lengthy contracts and are performing a class above every other driver.

Wont be suprised if Hamilton leaves Mclaren after another poor season. Merc and FI are the options for him. Although Merc may not be too keen.

#59 Fastcake

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 13:49

why is everyone so sure Alonso is gonna stay with Ferrari for 2013?


He has a long term contract, Ferrari is a top team, why would he want to leave and if he did where would he go?

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#60 rodlamas

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 13:53

You see it first here

Mclaren: Hamilton & Button
Mercedes: Rosberg & Raikkonen
RBR: Vettel & Buemi
Ferrari: Alonso & Perez
Sauber: Bianchi & Kobayashi
Force India: Di Resta & Hulkenberg
Williams: Senna & Bottas
Lotus: Kubica & Grosjean
STR: Ricciardo & Vergne
HRT: PDLR & Nasr
Virgin: Petrov & Pic
Caterham: Sutil & Kovalainen

Edited by rodlamas, 29 January 2012 - 13:54.


#61 Clatter

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 14:29

why is everyone so sure Alonso is gonna stay with Ferrari for 2013?


Because he has a contract until 2016.
http://news.bbc.co.u...ne/13452839.stm

What makes you think he is going anywhere else?

#62 KoezhVukotic

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 14:31

RBR: Vettel & Buemi

:drunk:
Don't see how that will happen. after Marko saying they are not winners. If they wanted someone to replace Webber for a year while they continue to evaluate Ricciardo and Vergne there are other experienced drivers they could easily attract.

#63 cheapracer

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 14:49

I would have thought Kimi was obvious to RBR in 2013.

Only question in my mind is who's going to replace Massa at Ferrari, maybe Webber as he is the fastest number 2 out there or Kubica comes back - can't see a lot changing other than that in the upper teams.

#64 FenderJaguar

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 22:25

I think Bernie would really like to see Alonso and Hamilton in the same team again. Not very likely but it would be "good for the show".


#65 lustigson

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 08:22

I thought I'd put up a list containing all contracted drivers for 2013 and beyond:

Scuderia Ferrari
Ferrari F2013 – Ferrari 056
Team Principal: Stefano Domenicali ; Technical Director: Pat Fry
1. Fernando Alonso (contracted through ‘16)
2.

Red Bull Racing
Red Bull Racing RB9 – Renault RS27-2013
Team Principal: Christian Horner; Technical Director: Adrian Newey
3. Sebastian Vettel (on a long-term deal through ‘14, perhaps with options)
4.

Vodafone McLaren Mercedes
McLaren MP4-28 – Mercedes FO108Z1
Team Principal: Martin Whitmarsh ; Technical Director: Paddy Lowe, Neil Oatley
5. Jenson Button (contracted through ‘13 with option for ‘14)
6.

Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team
Mercedes F1 W04 – Mercedes FO108Z1
Team Principal: Ross Brawn ; Technical Director: Bob Bell
7. Nico Rosberg (on a multi-year deal beyond ‘13)
8.

Lotus F1 Team
Lotus E21 – Renault RS27-2013
Team Principal: Eric Boullier ; Technical Director: James Allison
9. Kimi Räikkönen (contracted through '13)
10.

Sauber F1 Team
Sauber C32 – Ferrari 056
Team Principal: Peter Sauber ; Technical Director: James Key
11. Sergio Pérez (on a multi-year contract)
12.

Sahara Force India F1 Team
Force India VJM06 – Mercedes FO108Z
Team Principal: Vijay Mallya ; Technical Director: Andrew Green
14.
15.

Williams
Williams FW35 – Renault RS27-2013
Team Principal: Adam Parr ; Technical Director: Mike Coughlan
16.
17.

Scuderia Toro Rosso
Toro Rosso STR8 – Ferrari 056
Team Principal: Franz Tost ; Technical Director: Giorgio Ascanelli
18.
19.

Caterham F1 Team
Caterham CT02 – Renault RS27-2013
Team Principal: Tony Fernandes ; Technical Director: Mike Gascoyne
20.
21.

Marussia F1 Team
Marussia MR02 – Cosworth CA2013
Team Principal: John Booth ; Technical Director: Pat Symonds
22. Timo Glock (contract through ‘14)
23.

HRT F1 Team
HRT F113 – Cosworth CA2013
Team Principal: Luis Pérez-Sala ; Technical Director: Jacky Eeckelaert
24. Pedro de la Rosa (contracted through ‘13)
25.

Edited by lustigson, 30 January 2012 - 14:25.


#66 petri

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 09:41

Don't count McLaren out:

"During an FIA press conference at a Grand Prix in the latter half of last year - I forget where - I was asked by a journalist whether the team principals of the teams then rumoured to be considering Kimi for a 2012 drive, a couple of whom were sitting alongside me, should hire him or not. My answer was an unequivocal yes. I stand by that answer, and I’m pleased that he’s made a Formula One comeback" said M. Whitmarsh.

http://www.formula1....12/1/12959.html

#67 sosidge

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 10:15

Are you sure?

Piquet beat Alonso to the first podium of the season. Are you suggesting that Webber is worse than Piquet? Most reasonable pundits would place Piquet in the Pizzonia category.


I can't let you get away with that... Piquet secured that podium (the only one of his F1 career) in that very unusual race at Hockenheim, with the safety car that threw everyone off balance. Piquet had been an early stopper and got a massive leap up the field, he led for a number of those laps before conceding to Hamilton.

Alonso had dominated Piquet in the points and qualifying up to that point and on to the end of the season. Using Piquet's fluke podium as a justification of Webber's ability is a completely baseless argument.

#68 Francesc

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 10:28

I thought I'd put up a list containing all contracted drivers for 2013 and beyond:

Sahara Force India F1 Team
Force India VJM06 – Mercedes FO108Z
Team Principal: Vijay Mallya ; Technical Director: Mark Smith


Mark Smith is working with Caterham. Force India's technical director is Andrew Green.


#69 lustigson

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 10:44

Mark Smith is working with Caterham. Force India's technical director is Andrew Green.

You're right. I'd fixed this in the 2012 thread, but overlooked it here. Fixed now, though.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 12:14

HRT F1 Team
HRT F113 – Cosworth CA2013
Team Principal: Luis Pérez-Sala ; Technical Director: Jacky Eeckelaert
22.
23.

Pedro de la Rosa was announced as a 2 year contract, wasn't he? I know that likely doesn't mean much, but technically he's a contracted HRT driver through '13.

#71 lustigson

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 14:20

Pedro de la Rosa was announced as a 2 year contract, wasn't he? I know that likely doesn't mean much, but technically he's a contracted HRT driver through '13.

I checked, and it appears you're right. I'll fix it in a moment.

#72 DILLIGAF

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 05:35

A few guesses:

Vergne to Red Bull
Webber to Ferrari
Di Resta to Mercedes
Massa to Williams


#73 KoezhVukotic

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 06:05

A few guesses:

Vergne to Red Bull
Webber to Ferrari
Di Resta to Mercedes
Massa to Williams

First three possibly but I don't see why any team would take Massa, especially Williams with Bottas in line for a seat

#74 gerry nassar

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 06:25

OK, this is me trying to be a bit realistic...

Red Bull: Vettel/Ricciardo
McLaren: Hamilton/Button
Ferrari: Alonso/Perez
Mercedes: Schumacher/Rosberg
Lotus: Raikkonen/Grosjean
Force India: Di Resta/Hulkenberg
Sauber: Kobayashi/Bianchi
Toro Rosso: Vergne/New hotshot
Williams: Maldonado/Bottas
Caterham: Kovalainen/Alguersuari OR Senna
Marussia: Glock/Wickens?
HRT: Folded.

Not particularly interesting, I know, but there it is.


I agree. Its not interesting but its the most likely scenario. :up:

Only wild cards are if Kubica returns and the unknown result of the Torro Rosso intra-team battle.


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 13:13

I agree. Its not interesting but its the most likely scenario. :up:

Only wild cards are if Kubica returns and the unknown result of the Torro Rosso intra-team battle.

add to that list these:
-is Hamilton staying? if not, where is he going?
-will Raikkonen shine enough to be offered a seat at a top team? if yes, will he leave the team where (currently it seems as) they are caressing him a lot?
-force india intra-team battle winner to mercedes?

#76 Sanman59

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 15:31

Let's try to think this through sensibly!...............

Ferrari - Alonso will stay to 2016 as contracted unless there is a disaster with their cars which is unlikely. Perez to replace Massa. Santander will require a South American, as this is by far their largest market.

RBR - Vettel and Vergne. Webber to retire.

McLaren - Button and Hamilton. Cannot seriously see any change here as there are no better options for either.

Mercedes - Rosberg and Di Resta, who has been groomed for this role for years. Michael to retire again.

Lotus - Raikonnen and Kubica to return. They will still be the ones helping him to recover.

Sauber - Kobayashi and Massa to return. He did well for them last time and Ferrari will put pressure on to assuage their guilt.

Force India - Hulkenberg and Bianchi who will be groomed this year.

Williams - Maldonado and Senna. If they move the team forward they will deserve another year and if not their funding will remain essential!

STR - Ricciardo and Buemi. There is no new hot shot in the driver programme who will be ready. Switch Vergne and Ricciardo if results dictate.

Caterham - Kovalainen and Petrov

Marussia - Glock and Wickens

HRT - De la Rosa and Van der Garde


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#77 highdownforce

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 15:51

First Perez is not South American.
And Brazil is by far a bigger market to them than the other South American countries.

But this won't mean nothing to Massa's replacement.

#78 phil1993

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 15:55

I see a lot of people thinking Ferrari could take Kubica on next year.

I just feel that after two years of an under-performing Felipe Massa, would Ferrari risk taking on a driver who has missed (likely) two full seasons and suffered huge injuries?

If I were to take a punt now, I'd go with a relatively static silly season. I think STR don't really have anyone lingering beneath Vergne/Ricciardo for a year or two, so will keep them for 2013. Webber stays for 2013, as does Schumacher (who doesn't seem to want to retire again). Only change I can see is at Ferrari, allowing Bianchi up to Sauber, Trulli going (if he lasts till then) and the inevitable Marussia 2nd driver replacement and HRT merry go-round.

#79 Collective

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 00:15

If Esteban Gutiérrez fights for the GP2 championship (even if he falls short of winning it) you can expect him to get a Sauber seat. Even if Pérez moves to Ferrari with Telmex backing, I think they will want a seat for Esteban and Sauber is the logical choice.

Edited by Collective, 02 February 2012 - 00:15.


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#80 KateLM

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 01:51

If Esteban Gutiérrez fights for the GP2 championship (even if he falls short of winning it) you can expect him to get a Sauber seat. Even if Pérez moves to Ferrari with Telmex backing, I think they will want a seat for Esteban and Sauber is the logical choice.

I must be the only person who doesn't think there is a particularly serious chance of Perez moving to Ferrari next year. The guy has only just turned 22, there's no need to rush him into the seat before he's ready. If he shows some great form this year then there will be a chance but some people seem to have forgotten that's by no means a guarantee. He didn't look noticeably better than Kobayashi last year and despite all his online support none of the top teams seem particularly interested in him. I think Perez would need to convincingly beat Kobayashi in the first year to even be considered. Yeah, he's in their academy - but if he wasn't would anyone think he was a serious contender for the seat? And despite all Ferrari's pomp about their young driver's programme, they aren't going to take a driver unless they are convinced that he's up to it.

(Edited because I can't count - he's 22!)

Edited by KateLM, 02 February 2012 - 01:53.


#81 lustigson

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 08:46

[Pérez] has only just turned 22, there's no need to rush him into the [Ferrari] seat before he's ready. [...] he's in their academy - but if he wasn't would anyone think he was a serious contender for the seat?

Good point about not rushing Pérez into a Ferrari seat.

Ferrari could always try to get Webber for 2013 and 2014, after which either Pérez or Bianchi should be ready to jump into the car.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 08:58

I'd say there's a strong chance of Alguersuari returning. He'd probably be driving this season if it wasn't for how late on STR dumped him.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 10:30

I must be the only person who doesn't think there is a particularly serious chance of Perez moving to Ferrari next year. The guy has only just turned 22, there's no need to rush him into the seat before he's ready. If he shows some great form this year then there will be a chance but some people seem to have forgotten that's by no means a guarantee. He didn't look noticeably better than Kobayashi last year and despite all his online support none of the top teams seem particularly interested in him. I think Perez would need to convincingly beat Kobayashi in the first year to even be considered. Yeah, he's in their academy - but if he wasn't would anyone think he was a serious contender for the seat? And despite all Ferrari's pomp about their young driver's programme, they aren't going to take a driver unless they are convinced that he's up to it.

(Edited because I can't count - he's 22!)


Agreed. I like Perez and have kept an eye on him since British F3, but he hasn't shown enough for Ferrari to take a risk on him yet. I seem them rather rescuing Webber if they get tired of Massa. Or maybe even the winner of the Force India team-mate battle.

#84 TeamSideways

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 12:31

what the heck ? silly , yeah hamilton to ferrari 2013 . <<<< remember this

Edited by TeamSideways, 02 February 2012 - 12:32.


#85 Collective

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 12:38

I must be the only person who doesn't think there is a particularly serious chance of Perez moving to Ferrari next year. The guy has only just turned 22, there's no need to rush him into the seat before he's ready. If he shows some great form this year then there will be a chance but some people seem to have forgotten that's by no means a guarantee. He didn't look noticeably better than Kobayashi last year and despite all his online support none of the top teams seem particularly interested in him. I think Perez would need to convincingly beat Kobayashi in the first year to even be considered. Yeah, he's in their academy - but if he wasn't would anyone think he was a serious contender for the seat? And despite all Ferrari's pomp about their young driver's programme, they aren't going to take a driver unless they are convinced that he's up to it.

(Edited because I can't count - he's 22!)

It's not like Massa was a super rock star when he got the Ferrari drive.

#86 flyer121

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 12:40

what the heck ? silly , yeah hamilton to ferrari 2013 . <<<< remember this


Agreed - the only sillier move would be Kimi to Ferrari !!

#87 KateLM

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 12:41

Agreed. I like Perez and have kept an eye on him since British F3, but he hasn't shown enough for Ferrari to take a risk on him yet. I seem them rather rescuing Webber if they get tired of Massa. Or maybe even the winner of the Force India team-mate battle.

I don't think Webber will retire this year if he's got the chance to stay in a top team, but if Red Bull wanted to keep him too then I'm not sure if he'd choose Ferrari over them. A lot of ifs and buts there though, so I wouldn't want to make a prediction on that - especially as it would be dependent on form. But there are other solid types out there who they could also use as a stop-gap. Kovalainen and Glock spring to mind, although their contract situations might not allow it.

If Ferrari are serious about their academy, I think it makes more sense for them to groom Perez for the seat in a few years times (2015-2016 maybe) so he's in place to succeed Alonso - providing he shows enough in that time - rather than prematurely throwing him in to be the number 2 at such a young age. However, I'm not totally convinced that they are that committed to it sadly.

#88 Collective

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 14:37

I don't think Webber will retire this year if he's got the chance to stay in a top team, but if Red Bull wanted to keep him too then I'm not sure if he'd choose Ferrari over them. A lot of ifs and buts there though, so I wouldn't want to make a prediction on that - especially as it would be dependent on form. But there are other solid types out there who they could also use as a stop-gap. Kovalainen and Glock spring to mind, although their contract situations might not allow it.

If Ferrari are serious about their academy, I think it makes more sense for them to groom Perez for the seat in a few years times (2015-2016 maybe) so he's in place to succeed Alonso - providing he shows enough in that time - rather than prematurely throwing him in to be the number 2 at such a young age. However, I'm not totally convinced that they are that committed to it sadly.

But their #1s tend to be established champions. The academy is to form the next Massa, not the next Alonso :)

Anyway, looks like my post brought a lot of Ferrari succession discussion, when I really just wanted to throw Esteban Gutierrez's name for a Sauber seat. :)

#89 Sanman59

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 17:43

Ferrari is now very firmly a Latin team. They will not take Webber. He has nowhere else to go in terms of the top teams. He will retire rather than go to a small team.

Bruno Senna has more chance than Webber!

Hamilton staying with McLaren - No suprise there!

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/97263

:)

#90 katmen

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 20:30

speculation in czech f1sports.cz that webber will not get contract in RBR for 2013 season, replacement will be RB junior
link in czech:
http://goo.gl/kbdkX

use google translate for english

#91 Clatter

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 20:48

speculation in czech f1sports.cz that webber will not get contract in RBR for 2013 season, replacement will be RB junior
link in czech:
http://goo.gl/kbdkX

use google translate for english


Hardly news though is it? I suspect most have believed that to be the case for months and it would be a bigger surprise if he is resigned.

#92 tommyhjortasen

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 21:22

Hardly news though is it? I suspect most have believed that to be the case for months and it would be a bigger surprise if he is resigned.



Kimi will be in Mclaren!!

#93 Zava

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 21:29

speculation in czech f1sports.cz that webber will not get contract in RBR for 2013 season, replacement will be RB junior
link in czech:
http://goo.gl/kbdkX

use google translate for english

I think lord Helmut 'let it slip' last year that 2012 is the last year for Webber at the team, but not sure about it, google didn't find the quote...

#94 InSearchOfThe

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 21:36

Kimi will be in Mclaren!!

Mercedes. When Schumacher retires. Norbert loves Kimi.

#95 tommyhjortasen

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 21:46

Mercedes. When Schumacher retires. Norbert loves Kimi.

Nope, then he will stay in Lotus.

#96 cbbcisace

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 22:06

Dani Clos has got to be get a race seat at HRT?

Edited by cbbcisace, 14 February 2012 - 22:24.


#97 FenderJaguar

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 22:21

what the heck ? silly , yeah hamilton to ferrari 2013 . <<<< remember this


agree, and Bernie will enjoy it

#98 JimmyRecard

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 23:24

Ferrari is now very firmly a Latin team. They will not take Webber. He has nowhere else to go in terms of the top teams. He will retire rather than go to a small team.

Bruno Senna has more chance than Webber!

Hamilton staying with McLaren - No suprise there!

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/97263

:)

I have read several articles suggesting Ferrari were very interested in Webber for the last 2 years. It's probably Ferrari's best chance of seeing the no 1 on their car in the near future! :rotfl:

#99 onewingedangel

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 23:40

Hamilton versus Alonso at Ferrari would be the story of 2013 - and something I'd welcome greatly - especially if it allows Button to romp to the title in the McLaren  ;)

Ferrari must always seem appealing though - if the RRA falls through or if testing restrictions are lifted could McLaren still compete?

And when their deal with Mercedes expires will the works team really want any unfavourable comparisons to McLaren.

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#100 Meanbeakin

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 01:45

I think lord Helmut 'let it slip' last year that 2012 is the last year for Webber at the team, but not sure about it, google didn't find the quote...


Still can't see why they'd dump Mark if he wants to continue on in 2013. As long as his form doesn't completely fall into the ocean and start costing them constructors championships.

And wouldn't put it as certain that one of the Red Bull juniors would replace him either, especially if Hamilton or Kimi was available.