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#1001 BackmarkerUK

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 17:20

If anything I bet Kobayashi is going to do very well in Japan and his name will be tossed into the ring too.


But for Kobayashi 'very well' would probably equate to 3rd - Ferrari are going to hire a driver who finished 3rd in a Sauber, but a driver who took the same car to 2nd (and nearly took the win) isn't ready? Massa will be in a Ferrari next year, and then they'll hire someone else to be Alonso's Barrichello.

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#1002 TheUltimateWorrier

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 18:14

Massa will be in a Ferrari next year, and then they'll hire someone else to be Alonso's Barrichello.

I don't know how you can say that with great certainty. If Ferrari really wanted Massa for 2013 and beyond, surely he would be signed up by now. Plus, there's no logic in waiting a year only to replace Massa with another #2 in 2014 as you suggest. The only Ferrari I imagine Massa will be in next year will be on a Le Mans grid or something.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 18:19

I don't know how you can say that with great certainty. If Ferrari really wanted Massa for 2013 and beyond, surely he would be signed up by now. Plus, there's no logic in waiting a year only to replace Massa with another #2 in 2014 as you suggest. The only Ferrari I imagine Massa will be in next year will be on a Le Mans grid or something.


Ferrari don't have to rush any contract with Massa, it's not like he has anywhere else to go.


#1004 BackmarkerUK

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 18:34

I don't know how you can say that with great certainty. If Ferrari really wanted Massa for 2013 and beyond, surely he would be signed up by now. Plus, there's no logic in waiting a year only to replace Massa with another #2 in 2014 as you suggest. The only Ferrari I imagine Massa will be in next year will be on a Le Mans grid or something.


Who are Ferrari's other options? They waited too long to make an offer to Webber, and he's signed for another season at Red Bull. Hulkenberg and di Resta are not serious suggestions, and aren't as good as Perez who they had an option on. Raikkonen doesn't want to leave a comfortable situation at Lotus to join a team that forced him out in, where he'd likely have to do commercial work, and would be told his job was to support Alonso for the world championship. Schumacher's retired. The only reasonable option would, I suppose, be Kovalainen, but he was hardly stellar when he had race-winning machinery under him, and he's not exactly been doing anything noteworthy at Caterham. It's not that Ferrari particularly want Massa, it's that they're stuck with him.

#1005 King Six

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 19:16

I wouldn't say Hulkenberg and Di Resta aren't better or as good as Perez. Di Resta beat Perez in 2011. Perez has just taken advantage of some really strange tyres and a very good Sauber car, but then he's had those days where he is nowhere to be seen. I think some people are hyping Perez abit much. It'll be interesting to see how he really does in the McLaren, as he never really shone out to me previously as someone with raw pace.

I don't think Hulkenberg, Di Resta or Perez are quite in the level as Hamilton, Vettel etc.. but really the only way to find out is to give them top machinery. I think Perez got really lucky with the car and tyres this year, they just worked really well for him. Pirelli aren't changing the tyres next year, so that'll play to his hands too. I do think if Pirelli decide to make some proper tyres for 2014 without the need for all the gimmicks, Perez will be hurt badly though.

#1006 sniper80

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 19:29

Apparently Sauber will go for Robin Frijns & Jerome D'Ambrosio for 2013. Kobayashi is in the frame at Force India as the Hulk will take Massa's seat. That leaves no place for Massa to go anywhere...

#1007 KavB

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 19:49

D'Ambrosio? I think he's a solid driver, but not good enough to get rid of any continuity. If that were true then Kobayashi must have done something really bad to piss off Sauber.

#1008 CrossF1

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 19:51

Apparently Sauber will go for Robin Frijns & Jerome D'Ambrosio for 2013. Kobayashi is in the frame at Force India as the Hulk will take Massa's seat. That leaves no place for Massa to go anywhere...

Very doubtful.. One must be Gutierrez, they won't give up Mexican dollars.

#1009 midgrid

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 20:09

Apparently Sauber will go for Robin Frijns & Jerome D'Ambrosio for 2013. Kobayashi is in the frame at Force India as the Hulk will take Massa's seat. That leaves no place for Massa to go anywhere...


What's the source of this information?


#1010 discover23

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 20:15

Di Resta beat Perez in 2011.

which series was that ?? --

#1011 gm914

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 20:16

What's the source of this information?

Yeh I don't believe that for a second. There are 3-4 better options on the table for Sauber. Why would they pull a 'Toro Rosso'?

#1012 King Six

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 20:31

which series was that ?? --

Little known series called Formula One

#1013 montoyasminion

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:03

Little known series called Formula One

The one where they were driving different cars in different teams?

#1014 fullthrottle

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:36

Very doubtful.. One must be Gutierrez, they won't give up Mexican dollars.


Possible...

Sauber retains Telmex backing despite Sergio Perez's exit

#1015 Vickyy

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 07:36

The one where they were driving different cars in different teams?

Yeah exactly, the series where Hamilton, Vettel and Alonso are compared..errm different cars :smoking:

#1016 apoka

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:34

Posting that here as well:

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#F1 Martin Whitmarsh tells BBC that Di Resta and Hulk were on list and McLaren 'could have got them if we wanted to'

https://twitter.com/...028877029076993

So, Di Resta and Hulk are free to leave FI if they get good offers (not that surprising).


#1017 apoka

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:38

Maldonado could also play a role in the 2013 silly season as his seat does not seem to be secure:

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/103071

I can only imagine that his sponsor deal isn't really worth 30+ million pounds for 2013 otherwise I cannot really see Wiliams dropping him despite him not performing that well a few times this year.

Edited by apoka, 05 October 2012 - 08:38.


#1018 george1981

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:41

Posting that here as well:

Adam Cooper ‏@adamcooperf1
#F1 Martin Whitmarsh tells BBC that Di Resta and Hulk were on list and McLaren 'could have got them if we wanted to'

https://twitter.com/...028877029076993

So, Di Resta and Hulk are free to leave FI if they get good offers (not that surprising).


Vijay Mallya has said that a while ago, he wouldn't stand in the way of his drivers if they got a better offer, he'd happily sell their contracts on.

#1019 Francesc

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 09:28

Massa to Williams, calling it


No please. I prefer any driver over him.

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#1020 Anderis

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 09:28

Maldonado could also play a role in the 2013 silly season as his seat does not seem to be secure:

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/103071

I can only imagine that his sponsor deal isn't really worth 30+ million pounds for 2013 otherwise I cannot really see Wiliams dropping him despite him not performing that well a few times this year.

His sponsorship deal is actually worth about 30 million pounds per year, but the problem is that it's not certain if the deal will be continued. There is an election in Venezuela and nobody can really predict how this will affect the PDVSA deal.

#1021 korzeniow

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 09:36

His sponsorship deal is actually worth about 30 million pounds per year, but the problem is that it's not certain if the deal will be continued. There is an election in Venezuela and nobody can really predict how this will affect the PDVSA deal.


That is unbeliveable sum of money that anyone would pay just to drive in F1

#1022 Oho

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 09:36

His sponsorship deal is actually worth about 30 million pounds per year, but the problem is that it's not certain if the deal will be continued. There is an election in Venezuela and nobody can really predict how this will affect the PDVSA deal.



No kidding, election in socialist dictatorship and nobody can predict the outcome.... Right akin to Cuba I think

Edited by Oho, 05 October 2012 - 09:39.


#1023 lokiman

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 09:39

No please. I prefer any driver over him.


Indeed. I like Felipe, and he's a tidy enough driver, but he's just not good enough for a seat these days, unless he's bringing a shedload of money with him. He's simply no better than the few talented young guys that ARE bringing money, so.........

#1024 sock22

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 09:48

That is unbeliveable sum of money that anyone would pay just to drive in F1

PDVSA do get their logos on the car as well as Maldonado in the seat, which would explain the large sum.

#1025 Anderis

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 09:54

That is unbeliveable sum of money that anyone would pay just to drive in F1

PDVSA needed to make a very good offer to make Pastor into F1. I've read that the deal was offered to many teams, but most of them were refusing, being affraid that bad PR which would be brought by being supported by the company highly connected with unpopular Hugo Chavez, would discourage other sponsors and investors to invest in such team. Williams were a bit desperate for money at the end of the 2010, due to most of their major sponsors being left, but they wouldn't have taken such a big risk if the deal weren't about really big money.

+ You can see how much exposure they get at Williams. They even bring a bit of red color to the them, not to mention they got more presence on the car than any of their sponsors in recent years.

There were so many leaks about PDVSA deal in the Internet and all of them were saying about the same amount of money, that I'm pretty sure it's true. Considering the circumstances, the deal has to be very big.

#1026 kosmos

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 10:18

So Pirelli confirmed that Alguersuari is not going to test for them in 2013 and Alguersuari started following today Force India on twitter (he doesn't follow drivers or teams).....

#1027 BackmarkerUK

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 10:26

If (and it's a big if) Maldonado and his PDVSA sponsorship are leaving Williams, then could that be a sign that Williams have finally managed to pull off that Qatari sponsorship deal that's been floating around for a while? Presumably such a deal would replace PDVSA's money while not putting any requirements on their driver line-up, and also being politically more secure. In which case - Alguersuari and Bottas? Kobayashi and Bottas? Di Resta and Bottas? Pic and Bottas?

But I wouldn't be too surprised if next year's line-up was Maldonado and Bottas.

#1028 Sanman59

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 10:30

If (and it's a big if) Maldonado and his PDVSA sponsorship are leaving Williams, then could that be a sign that Williams have finally managed to pull off that Qatari sponsorship deal that's been floating around for a while? Presumably such a deal would replace PDVSA's money while not putting any requirements on their driver line-up, and also being politically more secure. In which case - Alguersuari and Bottas? Kobayashi and Bottas? Di Resta and Bottas? Pic and Bottas?

But I wouldn't be too surprised if next year's line-up was Maldonado and Bottas.



Frank has made it clear on several occassions that Pastor will not be allowed to leave. Besides he has no better options. Ferrari will not take him.

:rolleyes:

#1029 marcoferrari

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:25

So Pirelli confirmed that Alguersuari is not going to test for them in 2013 and Alguersuari started following today Force India on twitter (he doesn't follow drivers or teams).....


That is an interesting information! Fingers crossed! :) I would love to see him race against Di Resta, whom he almost beat in 2011 in a generally slower car...

#1030 glorius&victorius

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:26

So Pirelli confirmed that Alguersuari is not going to test for them in 2013 and Alguersuari started following today Force India on twitter (he doesn't follow drivers or teams).....


it cant be that obvious... can it?

#1031 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:39

it cant be that obvious... can it?


so one of the Findia guys is off to Ferrari (Sauber) or unemployed now :smoking:

Edited by SealTheDiffuser, 05 October 2012 - 12:19.


#1032 Showty

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:43

The word in Spain is that Jaime is about to be announced as Force India driver for the next season.

Done deal they say in Twitter.



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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:45

Would that bring Hulkenberg to Ferrari? He is young enough to try and one-shot the Ferrari to get a better deal elsewhere when/if the Vettel thing comes through.

FI: DiResta/Alguersari.
Sauber: a plethora of drivers. Guiterrez seems obious due to Telmex. If Frijns wins WSR, perhaps he will get a chance instead of Kobayashi. It is in line with the Sauber philosophy.
Williams: Bottas and Maldo (election rigging is second nature in those socialist states).
I can't see a future for Senna in the midfield teams.

Caterham: Kovalainen is a big question mark. Much conflicting news around. Second driver could be VdGarde, only due to cash. Petrov has seem to run out of it.
Marrussia: ??
HRT: ??

I'm not sure both Torro Rosso drivers are save, they always have a Marko-gloom on them. If Da Costa does well in WRS the last race I can see them ditching one of the TR drivers.

Edited by SenorSjon, 05 October 2012 - 11:47.


#1034 marcoferrari

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:52

it cant be that obvious... can it?




From Los Minidrivers facebook website:

EXCLUSIVA: Jaime Alguersuari correrá en Force India el próximo año.

EXCLUSIVE: Jaime Alguersuari will race with Force India next year.

http://www.facebook.com/losminidrivers

#1035 Showty

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:59

I think he´s the guy started all

Sergio ® SafetyCast ‏@Diosfenix
OFICIAL: Jaime Alguersari correra en Force India en 2013 (Suena que Hulkenberg sustituye a Felipe Massa)


Jaime will drive for Force India in 2013, Hulkenberg could be Massa´s replacement.



#1036 apoka

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:02

From Los Minidrivers facebook website:

EXCLUSIVA: Jaime Alguersuari correrá en Force India el próximo año.

EXCLUSIVE: Jaime Alguersuari will race with Force India next year.

http://www.facebook.com/losminidrivers

Is it worth to ask for the credibility of posts on the facebook site? :D

But the rumour (Jaime to FI, Hulk possibly at Ferrari) is building up, so let's see whether it intensifies or dies in the next hours. I am off to grab some popcorn ...

Edited by apoka, 05 October 2012 - 12:03.


#1037 Showty

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:04

Hulkenberg started to follow Alonso today.



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Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:04

Get in Guiterrez & Frijns. Two rising stars. They're inexperienced but that didn't seem to matter when they hired Kamui and Sergio to drive together.

#1039 marcoferrari

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:20

Is it worth to ask for the credibility of posts on the facebook site? :D

But the rumour (Jaime to FI, Hulk possibly at Ferrari) is building up, so let's see whether it intensifies or dies in the next hours. I am off to grab some popcorn ...


But Jaime also started to follow Force India... And I checked his twitter account, he doesn t follow any other Formula One driver or team... So, why then the following? It probably has some meaning...

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#1040 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:24

Hulkenberg started to follow Alonso today.


he she it follows

#1041 apoka

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:27

Hulkenberg started to follow Alonso today.

I thought you were joking, but he is indeed following Alonso. I cannot see the date he started following, but just that Alonso seems to be most recent.

So we have a semi-official twitter-follow-announcement with Jaime to FI and the Hulk to Ferrari. Let's see ...

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:49

Hulkenberg started to follow Alonso today.


Alonso is following a lot of drivers, including Hulk, maybe Hulk noticed today and decided to follow him too ;). The Alguersuari thing it's strange because he doesn't follow any driver or team but F-I.

#1043 marcoferrari

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:50

I thought you were joking, but he is indeed following Alonso. I cannot see the date he started following, but just that Alonso seems to be most recent.

So we have a semi-official twitter-follow-announcement with Jaime to FI and the Hulk to Ferrari. Let's see ...


So, then Felipe on his way to Sauber to join Guttierez?

#1044 schumimercamg

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:52

Hulk to Ferrari.

Jaime to Force India.

Potentially Massa to Sauber but doubtful. Maybe Kovalainen?



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Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:59

Hulk to Ferrari.

Jaime to Force India.

Potentially Massa to Sauber but doubtful. Maybe Kovalainen?


Massa said that it is Ferrari or nothing for him. Seems like Kovalainen may lose his Caterham seat..

#1046 matthewf1

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:59

So, then Felipe on his way to Sauber to join Guttierez?


That depends. Has Felipe followed Sauber yet? :drunk:

#1047 Arry2k

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 13:01

Perhaps I should follow Sauber - you never know, I might just get the call!

#1048 908T

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 13:01

Kimi to Sauber? :confused:

#1049 marcoferrari

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 13:02

That depends. Has Felipe followed Sauber yet? :drunk:


:)

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 13:18

Kimi to Sauber? :confused:


He is far likelier to leave the series entirely.