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#1251 KingB

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 10:45

Because the Sauber leader isn't going to an Indian prison. :lol:

isn't Monisha Kaltenborn half indian? :lol:
Do you know that she's clean? :p

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#1252 sofarapartguy

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 10:46

Because the Sauber leader isn't going to an Indian prison. :lol:

Well yes, I agree that this situation with Mallya is worrying. But he sold half of the team to his Indian partner, and in case of his arrest (which I doubt) I believe he will just sell it entirely. Apart from changing TP nothis changes really.

Edited by sofarapartguy, 14 October 2012 - 10:46.


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:07

I think it is a great move for Hulkenberg. Sauber drivers seem to be able to move into top teams - Force India drivers tend to move out of the sport. Gives him prime opportunity to move in 2014 to Ferrari, or even Red Bull (if Webber finally leaves).

#1254 David Lightman

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:15

Don't forget Sahara is in massive trouble too. Hulk has made a sound move.

#1255 King Six

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:19

isn't Monisha Kaltenborn half indian? :lol:
Do you know that she's clean? :p

I thought she was full Indian, just that she married a Swiss guy (hence the surname).

Anyway Autosport saying Massa is a done deal.

I think there's more to Nico moving to Sauber than just him apparently jumping a 'sinking ship', I'd love to hear the inner details about this whole Hulkenberg/Kobayashi/Sauber/Esteban/Telmex ongoings.

#1256 silencer

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:21

So, Massa secured at Ferrari for 2013
Hulkenberg seems like he's heading to Sauber.
Kimi Raikkonen will stays at Lotus

The front teams seems have secure their driver line up for 2013

And there's probably 4 more seats available; each one of it is at Sauber, Force India, Lotus and Caterham

#1257 D.M.N.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:22

Seeing as BBC have all but confirmed Hulkenberg/Gutierrez for Sauber, I've created a new thread for that move here: http://forums.autosp...howtopic=175832 Thanks :)

#1258 King Six

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:24

I'd be surprised if Lotus dump Grozy...unless he does something monumentally stupid. All he needs to do is impress in qualifying and keep his nose clean in the race and bring the car home in the points, they know he's fast but right now he needs to sacrifice a position here and there for the sake of finishing in the points. He did that today, you could see how careful he was throughout the race and he needs to continue like that for this season.

#1259 KingB

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:30

I thought she was full Indian, just that she married a Swiss guy (hence the surname).

She was born in India. Her parents moved to Austria, when she was 8. She is married to a German and both live in Switzerland :lol:
So yeah, of course she's full Indian....but I think you know what I meant ;D

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#1260 jals99

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:32

According to Motorsport-Total, Petrov is in talks with Sauber, to partner Hulkenberg next year
http://www.motorspor...s_12101363.html

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:35

According to Motorsport-Total, Petrov is in talks with Sauber, to partner Hulkenberg next year
http://www.motorspor...s_12101363.html


Nothing like that on russian sources.

#1262 jals99

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:40

Nothing like that on russian sources.

Motorsport-Total has better links in paddock than any Russian sources :)

#1263 TFLB

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:54

According to Motorsport-Total, Petrov is in talks with Sauber, to partner Hulkenberg next year
http://www.motorspor...s_12101363.html

Also if my German is right that article says that Pic is under consideration for Grosjean's seat? Lange sah es nach Charles Pic aus, doch der gilt plötzlich dank Renault-Unterstützung als heißer Kandidat auf Romain Grosjeans Lotus-Cockpit.

#1264 jals99

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:56

Also if my German is right that article says that Pic is under consideration for Grosjean's seat? Lange sah es nach Charles Pic aus, doch der gilt plötzlich dank Renault-Unterstützung als heißer Kandidat auf Romain Grosjeans Lotus-Cockpit.

True :)
Would be great


#1265 KingB

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:58

Also if my German is right that article says that Pic is under consideration for Grosjean's seat? Lange sah es nach Charles Pic aus, doch der gilt plötzlich dank Renault-Unterstützung als heißer Kandidat auf Romain Grosjeans Lotus-Cockpit.

yes, the article says, that Pic was likely to be Kova's sidekick at Caterham, but is now linked to Lotus, because of Grosjeans crashability

Edited by KingB, 14 October 2012 - 11:58.


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 12:01

If, and its a VERY BIG IF, Lotus are considering replacing Grosjean (which would be a mistake in my opinion), then they should look no further than Kamui Kobayashi.
1st choice :- Romain,
2nd choice :- Kamui.
Charles Pic may be the sponsors choice (TOTAL) but would hamper the team in their fight to stay in the top 4 in the Constructors Championship.

Should become clearer sooner rather than later as TOTAL have their sponsorship of Romain up for renewal later this week I believe.

#1267 KingB

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 12:04

yes I think Romain should stay.

I hope:
Lotus: Kimi, Romain
Sauber: Hulk, Gutierrez (for my entertainment, and for Hulk looking good)
FI: di Resta, Alguersuari

#1268 Francesc

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 12:04

Kamui as entertaining he is for fans is not good enough. I mean, he is fast, but is too inconsistent race to race and makes too many mistakes. And doesn't have backing.

#1269 King Six

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 12:10

Lotus essentially confirm that they're keeping Grosjean for 2013

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 13:19

With Hülkenberg's defection from Force India to Sauber as well as Grosjean remaining at Lotus now all but confirmed, the list of vacant seats is a bit shorter. An update.

Red Bull Racing
Red Bull Racing RB9 – Renault RS27-2013
Team Principal: Christian Horner; Technical Director: Adrian Newey
1. Sebastian Vettel (on a long-term deal through '14, perhaps with options)
2. Mark Webber (another one-year deal)

Scuderia Ferrari
Ferrari F2013 – Ferrari 056
Team Principal: Stefano Domenicali ; Technical Director: Pat Fry
3. Fernando Alonso (contracted through '16)
4. Felipe Massa (current driver; ever more likely to stay on for another season)
Nico Hülkenberg (rumoured)
Heikki Kovalainen (rumoured)

Vodafone McLaren Mercedes
McLaren MP4-28 – Mercedes FO108Z1
Team Principal: Martin Whitmarsh ; Technical Director: Paddy Lowe, Neil Oatley
5. Jenson Button (contracted through '13 with option for '14)
6. Sergio Pérez (on a multi-year contract)

Lotus F1 Team
Lotus E21 – Renault RS27-2013
Team Principal: Eric Boullier ; Technical Director: James Allison
7. Kimi Räikkönen (contracted through '13)
8. Romain Grosjean (current driver; all but confirmed by Boullier prior to Korean GP)
Jerôme d'Ambrosio (current reserve driver; did one GP in Grosjean's place)

Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team
Mercedes F1 W04 – Mercedes FO108Z1
Team Principal: Ross Brawn ; Technical Director: Bob Bell
9. Nico Rosberg (on a multi-year deal beyond '13)
10. Lewis Hamilton (signed for '13-'15)

Sauber F1 Team
Sauber C32 – Ferrari 056
Team Principal: Peter Sauber ; Technical Director: James Key
11. Nico Hülkenberg (all but confirmed)
Kamui Kobayashi (current driver)
12. Esteban Gutiérrez (current test driver; likely due to Telmex sponsorship)
Jaime Alguersuari (rumoured)
Heikki Kovalainen (rumoured)
Charles Pic (rumoured)

Sahara Force India F1 Team
Force India VJM06 – Mercedes FO108Z
Team Principal: Vijay Mallya ; Technical Director: Andrew Green
14. Paul Di Resta (current driver)
Jules Bianchi (test driver and Ferrari junior programme member; said by Mallya to be in the frame)
Adrian Sutil (rumoured; former driver)
15. Jaime Alguersuari (rumoured)
Sébastien Buemi (rumoured)
Nico Hülkenberg (current driver; all but confirmed at Sauber)
Kamui Kobayashi (rumoured)
Vitaly Petrov (rumoured)

Williams F1 Team
Williams FW35 – Renault RS27-2013
Team Principal: Frank Williams ; Technical Director: Mike Coughlan
16. Pastor Maldonado (on a long-term deal through '14, perhaps with options)
17. Bruno Senna (current driver; not having as good a year as his team-mate)
Valtteri Bottas (test driver; allegedly being groomed for the seat)

Scuderia Toro Rosso
Toro Rosso STR8 – Ferrari 056
Team Principal: Franz Tost ; Technical Director: Giorgio Ascanelli
18. Daniel Ricciardo (current driver; likely to stay on)
19. Jean-Éric Vergne (current driver; likely to stay on)
Antonio Felix da Costa (Red Bull junior driver groomed in WSR; may be put in either car halfway through '13)

Marussia F1 Team
Marussia MR02 – Cosworth CA2013
Team Principal: John Booth ; Technical Director: Pat Symonds
20. Timo Glock (contract through '14)
21. Charles Pic (current driver)
Max Chilton (current reserve driver, finished 4th in 2012 GP2 series)

Caterham F1 Team
Caterham CT02 – Renault RS27-2013
Team Principal: Tony Fernandes ; Technical Director: Mike Gascoyne
22. Heikki Kovalainen (current driver; has stated that he wants to joing higher-ranking team for '13)
23. Vitaly Petrov (current driver; possibly on 2-year deal)
Giedo van der Garde (Caterham GP2 driver, said to have an F1 deal based on GP2 performance)
Jaime Alguersuari (rumoured)
Sébastien Buemi (rumoured)
Charles Pic (rumoured)

HRT F1 Team
HRT F113 – Cosworth CA2013
Team Principal: Luis Pérez-Sala ; Technical Director: Toni Cuquerella
24. Pedro de la Rosa (contracted through '13)
25. Narain Karthikeyan (current driver)
Dani Clos (rumoured)

#1271 muramasa

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 13:27

Kamui as entertaining he is for fans is not good enough. I mean, he is fast, but is too inconsistent race to race and makes too many mistakes. And doesn't have backing.

lol completely wrong. I dont know how some people can come to such appaling conclusion. How much you rate who is completely up to you, but plz dont make lies to back up your opinion.
His mistake rate overall is below average. Go count by yourself.


#1272 Sanman59

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:32


As much as it pains me to agree with EJ on anything, He has probably got it right with this line up.


Red Bull Renault 1 Sebastian Vettel
2 Mark Webber

Scuderia Ferrari 3 Fernando Alonso
4 Filipe Massa

McLaren Mercedes 5 Jenson Button
6 Sergio Perez

Lotus Renault 7 Kimi Raikonnen
8 Romain Grosjean

Mercedes AMG 9 Lewis Hamilton
10 Nico Rosberg

Sauber Ferrari 11 Nico Hulkenberg
12 Kamui Kobayashi

Force India Mercedes 14 Paul di Resta
15 Jaime Alguersuari

Williams Renault 16 Pastor Maldonado
17 Valtteri Bottas

Toro Rosso Ferrari 18 Daniel Ricciardo
19 Jean Eric Vergne

Marussia Cosworth 20 Timo Glock
21 Max Chilton

Caterham Renault 22 Heikki Kovalainen
23 Charles Pic

HRT Cosworth 24 Pedro de la Rosa
25 Bruno Senna


:well:


#1273 Jimisgod

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 12:06

Sauber Ferrari 11 Nico Hulkenberg
12 Kamui Kobayashi

:well:


Unlikely. :cry: It's going to be a big bag of Mexican money instead.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 14:36

lol completely wrong. I dont know how some people can come to such appaling conclusion. How much you rate who is completely up to you, but plz dont make lies to back up your opinion.
His mistake rate overall is below average. Go count by yourself.


You must admit that he's had some dozys this year.

Valencia could be argued as calculated risk that didn't pay off.
But Silverstone where he skittled half the pit-crew and this last weekend in Korea where pretty spectacular balls-ups.

And that's coming from me as a supporter.


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Posted 15 October 2012 - 14:40

Sauber could also decide to keep Gutiérrez one more year in GP2 and one more year as their test driver (running him on friday now and then) to prepare him for a race seat 2014.




Like he said :smoking:



#1276 mdaclarke

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 15:12

I think that Senna may stay at Williams for another year as the team will prefer his sponsorship. If not I've always thought he would be a good fit at Force India!!

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 15:14

I think that Senna may stay at Williams for another year as the team will prefer his sponsorship. If not I've always thought he would be a good fit at Force India!!


Kobayashi out, but Senna keeps his ride. I'm going to be ill.

Let's see if he can make it past Q1 once :rolleyes:

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 15:30

Kobayashi out, but Senna keeps his ride. I'm going to be ill.

Let's see if he can make it past Q1 once :rolleyes:



Koba will probably get to stay short term (one season) if only because EG is simply not ready, so he will get the FP1 role and stay in GP2 for one more year. That will be enough for Telmex to stay happy.

Williams will have to run Bottas or somebody else will, so Senna is out.

HRT need his money and Senna also needs them so :kiss:

:lol:



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Posted 15 October 2012 - 15:50

Lotus essentially confirm that they're keeping Grosjean for 2013

As long as Eric Boullier has a job at Lotus, so does Romain.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 15:50

Koba will probably get to stay short term (one season) if only because EG is simply not ready, so he will get the FP1 role and stay in GP2 for one more year. That will be enough for Telmex to stay happy.

Williams will have to run Bottas or somebody else will, so Senna is out.

HRT need his money and Senna also needs them so :kiss:

:lol:


Gonna be quite weird for Senna going back there surely?


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Posted 15 October 2012 - 17:05

Gonna be quite weird for Senna going back there surely?


Since he was there, different owners in a different country with different people making the car. Maybe they could brink back Karun Chandhok to make him feel at home?

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 17:46

Since he was there, different owners in a different country with different people making the car. Maybe they could brink back Karun Chandhok to make him feel at home?


Maybe Klien and Yamamoto too ;)

Edited by cbbcisace, 15 October 2012 - 17:47.


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Posted 15 October 2012 - 18:34

Maybe Klien and Yamamoto too ;)


I know everyone wants to see Yamamoto back :clap:

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 19:59

If Senna can't stay at Williams, and there aren't any alternatives, I'd be surprised if he went back to HRT.

Didn't he even say something along the lines of him not returning there, some time ago?

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 20:06

If Senna can't stay at Williams, and there aren't any alternatives, I'd be surprised if he went back to HRT.

Didn't he even say something along the lines of him not returning there, some time ago?


He said that in 2011 whilst Kolles was in charge, don't forget it's a completely different team now, no Kolles and his cronies.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 21:08

I know everyone wants to see Yamamoto back :clap:

Considering his situation he didn't actually do a bad job in 2010.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 21:38

This most likely means Di Resta and Jaime at Force India, Bianchi as Friday/Test/Reserve. I wouldn't say it's too much of a disaster for them to lose Nico. Still top talent there for them.

My guess is that Jaime will be Force India test driver next year, promoted to race seat in 2014.
Similarly, Bianchi will move across to Sauber as a test driver, perhaps promoted to race seat in 2014.

Concerning the seats:

Maldonado, I think, will end up at Force India. He seems a little frustrated at the moment at the FI car seems faster at the moment.
Senna goes back to HRT.
Heikki doesn't re-sign with Caterham, as he hopes for a bigger team.

Now, Kobayashi, I hope he ends up with Caterham or Williams, however unlikely. I think someone poster here months ago who suggested Toro Rosso. I dismissed this, but there was the crazy story of Sato possibly joining Toro Rosso in 2009. Perhaps Toro Rosso dismiss one of their drivers and bring in Kamui as a benchmark to JEV/Ricciardo and possibly Red Bull after Vettel or Webber leave in 2014/15. Man, it's tough being a Kamui fan at the moment, trying to see if he'll be on the grid next year :well: .

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:01

He said that in 2011 whilst Kolles was in charge, don't forget it's a completely different team now, no Kolles and his cronies.



Can't see that he has anywhere else to go except possibly Caterham.

:wave:

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:08

Can't see that he has anywhere else to go except possibly Caterham.

:wave:


autosport.com is also specutating that he may move to caterham ... so both caterham seats are up for grabs it seems ... or perhaps a heikki/bruno swap??? who knows :smoking:

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 13:39

autosport.com is also specutating that he may move to caterham ... so both caterham seats are up for grabs it seems ... or perhaps a heikki/bruno swap??? who knows :smoking:


Why would they waste all that testing on Bottas though? I'm sure with time Bottas > Heikki.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 13:58

Heikki said before Korean gp that Caterham had offered him a deal before but he did not accept it.He then made his own suggestions to the contract and gave it back to Caterham and according to Heikki they both are close to sign and basicly only thing that they are having differencies with is the lenght of the contract...Heikki wants one year but Caterham wants longer.

Edited by Vesuvius, 16 October 2012 - 13:59.


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Posted 16 October 2012 - 15:22

Heikki said before Korean gp that Caterham had offered him a deal before but he did not accept it.He then made his own suggestions to the contract and gave it back to Caterham and according to Heikki they both are close to sign and basicly only thing that they are having differencies with is the lenght of the contract...Heikki wants one year but Caterham wants longer.


I don't think Kovalainen has any leverage in this situation

#1293 lustigson

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 15:27

Ferrari hands Felipe Massa one-year contract extension.

#1294 Vesuvius

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 15:38

I don't think Kovalainen has any leverage in this situation


I'm sure Caterham will have to go for 1+1 year deal, even now Fernandez has said that if Heikki wants to go to bigger team he can and he wont stop him.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 15:40

I'm sure Caterham will have to go for 1+1 year deal, even now Fernandez has said that if Heikki wants to go to bigger team he can and he wont stop him.


The thing is that there are no team seems interested, at least I don't see any.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 15:47

I think that Williams may keep Senna for another year because of his sponsorship and farm Bottas out to HRT or Maurissia or Caterham like Ricciardo last year.

Senna has done OK given the lack of FP1's he has had. He has had pace in the races.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 15:55

I think that Williams may keep Senna for another year because of his sponsorship and farm Bottas out to HRT or Maurissia or Caterham like Ricciardo last year.

Senna has done OK given the lack of FP1's he has had. He has had pace in the races.

that's a myth. he was just as bad when he had FP1.

Edited by Zava, 16 October 2012 - 15:56.


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Posted 16 October 2012 - 15:56

I think that Williams may keep Senna for another year because of his sponsorship and farm Bottas out to HRT or Maurissia or Caterham like Ricciardo last year.

Senna has done OK given the lack of FP1's he has had. He has had pace in the races.

The problem with that though is that Williams would have to pay HRT to run Bottas, otherwise HRT would just take another pay driver. So in that case, depending on how much they have to pay and how much Senna brings in sponsorship, it might not actually save them any money.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 15:59

The thing is that there are no team seems interested, at least I don't see any.


There were interest from many teams but in the end Kovalainen wanted Ferrari or Caterham and clearly the first one didn't happend so now Caterham is actually the only option and Heikki has said so too.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 16:01

I think that Williams may keep Senna for another year because of his sponsorship and farm Bottas out to HRT or Maurissia or Caterham like Ricciardo last year.

Senna has done OK given the lack of FP1's he has had. He has had pace in the races.


Senna wont stay unless Maldonado leaves, Bottas will get the seat surely and will bring some new finnish sponsors with him.