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#2201 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 13:05

If Bianchi does get the FI seat will McLaren let him use their simulator? At the moment he isn't allowed as he is a Ferrari young driver - will he have to withdraw from that programme and cut contact with Ferrari engineers to use the McLaren simulator as FI drivers usually do?

No. If Bianchi signs for Force India, it will be because of Force India switching to Ferrari engines for 2014. I can imagine McLaren cutting off all simulator possibilites for Force India then.

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#2202 Anderis

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 18:43

How would Pedro know? He has no ties with Force India. Or has Pedro secured the second seat. :lol:

He has some long-time ties with Mercedes powered teams and Force India is one of them.

He could also ask them if he has any chance to drive for them. Or he may just talked with the driver who is signed with them.

#2203 charly0418

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 19:35

I'm hopeful Bianchi gets the FI seat


A battle of rookies between Bianchi vs. Bottas v.s Gutierrez would be VERY interesting

#2204 BackmarkerUK

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 20:56

Bianchi Vs Maldonado Vs Gutierrez Vs Grosjean in the first corner of a race will be interesting. Reruns of Spa 98.

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 22:49

Bianchi Vs Maldonado Vs Gutierrez Vs Grosjean in the first corner of a race will be interesting. Reruns of Spa 98.


Lewis better hope his Merc will enable him to avoid starting neck deep in midfield along with those hot heads.

#2206 billm99uk

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 02:32

I'm hopeful Bianchi gets the FI seat


Anyone would be more interesting than Sutil. OK maybe not Nick Heidfeld  ;)


#2207 Talisman

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 14:40

No. If Bianchi signs for Force India, it will be because of Force India switching to Ferrari engines for 2014. I can imagine McLaren cutting off all simulator possibilites for Force India then.


I think its unlikely FI will switch to Ferrari. The deal with McLaren and Mercedes isn't just for engines, its for the whole rear end of the car with access to McLaren's expertise as well with engineers from Woking working at FI. Ferrari has never provided anything like that level of service to anyone, even Sauber so I think its unlikely that they'll do so for FI at anything like the cost McLaren are doing it for. If FI do switch then Mallya is throwing away one of the team's single best assets and he isn't that stupid.

#2208 tomisumi

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 15:50

Anyone would be more interesting than Sutil. OK maybe not Nick Heidfeld ;)


I don´t think so. Sutil has speed and apart from him, Di Resta hasn´t show anything interesting yet. When there is a place for drivers like Grosjean or Maldonado, there should be place for Sutil.

#2209 sopa

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 15:59

It is always amusing to read that people want "interesting" drivers. Not only is this criteria very subjective (what is interesting for anyone), this is not an argument in hiring drivers.

#2210 Morbus

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 16:12

It is always amusing to read that people want "interesting" drivers. Not only is this criteria very subjective (what is interesting for anyone), this is not an argument in hiring drivers.

Do you really want to people to say "I want driver X to get the seat because he has lots of money from brand Y"?

#2211 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 16:47

I think its unlikely FI will switch to Ferrari. The deal with McLaren and Mercedes isn't just for engines, its for the whole rear end of the car with access to McLaren's expertise as well with engineers from Woking working at FI. Ferrari has never provided anything like that level of service to anyone, even Sauber so I think its unlikely that they'll do so for FI at anything like the cost McLaren are doing it for. If FI do switch then Mallya is throwing away one of the team's single best assets and he isn't that stupid.

I see, so we can rule Bianchi out then. Leaves only Sutil, congrats to him.

#2212 Talisman

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 20:04

I see, so we can rule Bianchi out then. Leaves only Sutil, congrats to him.


Well, having written what I posted earlier I remembered Mallya is the guy who deliberately breached a hugely lucrative sponsorship deal so tens of millions of dollars coming into the team turned into millions of dollars paid out by the team in compensation so who knows....

#2213 metz

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 20:35

I think its unlikely FI will switch to Ferrari. The deal with McLaren and Mercedes isn't just for engines, its for the whole rear end of the car with access to McLaren's expertise as well with engineers from Woking working at FI. Ferrari has never provided anything like that level of service to anyone, even Sauber so I think its unlikely that they'll do so for FI at anything like the cost McLaren are doing it for. If FI do switch then Mallya is throwing away one of the team's single best assets and he isn't that stupid.

Teams will team up big time for 2014
From Autosport today;
Formula 1 teams need to be open to the idea of greater co-operation between themselves if they are to make the most of the radical 2014 change in regulations.
That is the view of new Caterham boss Cyril Abiteboul, who thinks that the scale of the challenge teams face when new 1.6-litre turbo engines come in means that going it alone could be a hindrance.
"Potentially this breakthrough will require some partnership between the teams, and that is not only for teams like us,"


#2214 Barri

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 23:59

There you go...

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#2215 F1AC

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 00:53

Good photoshop, but definitely fake. Can tell by the flag on the overalls.

They're the 2012 launch overalls, changed during the season. Original picture looks like it was from the launch photoshoot
http://pix.crash.net...OTO4_384082.jpg

#2216 Talisman

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:43

Teams will team up big time for 2014
From Autosport today;
Formula 1 teams need to be open to the idea of greater co-operation between themselves if they are to make the most of the radical 2014 change in regulations.
That is the view of new Caterham boss Cyril Abiteboul, who thinks that the scale of the challenge teams face when new 1.6-litre turbo engines come in means that going it alone could be a hindrance.
"Potentially this breakthrough will require some partnership between the teams, and that is not only for teams like us,"


Sure.

The point is FI is already in a great partnership with Mercedes and especially McLaren. Why switch to a totally new partner?

#2217 Group B

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:50

Anyone would be more interesting than Sutil. OK maybe not Nick Heidfeld ;)

Where as Di Resta really lights up all our lives :rolleyes:

#2218 race addicted

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:54

Surely Sutil's got to be the quickest driver available to Force India? Opting for him would make perfect sense.

#2219 UPRC

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:01

Surely Sutil's got to be the quickest driver available to Force India? Opting for him would make perfect sense.


I'd argue that Kobayashi is the quickest driver available, but he's already thrown in the towel. :cry:

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#2220 race addicted

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:09

I feel they belong in the same group, but yes, as you say, Kobayashi has ruled out '13.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:15

Surely Sutil's got to be the quickest driver available to Force India? Opting for him would make perfect sense.

Yep, it's the sensible choice. It's not long ago, after all, that he was being talked about for a McLaren seat.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:24

Absolutely. His speed is renowned and he's got backing. I don't think Senna's race-pace is necessarily much slower, but Sutil would start the race a couple of rows further up.

#2223 r4mses

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:29

Strange. Someone who was seen as THE next big thing a year ago and who some already saw as future WDC driving a Ferrari is now without a drive - Kobayashi.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:34

Strange. Someone who was seen as THE next big thing a year ago and who some already saw as future WDC driving a Ferrari is now without a drive - Kobayashi.

Losing to Perez seriously undermined him; the first requirement in F1 is to beat your team mate. Personally I'd like him to stay, even in one of the lower teams, but it's just not worked out. :well:

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 13:10


Dec.28 (GMM) Russian media sources report that Vitaly Petrov is set to keep his Caterham seat for the 2013 F1 season, the Finnish newspaper Turun Sanomat claims.

Turun Sanomat quotes Kosachenko as saying: “I believe Vitaly’s race in Brazil securing tenth place in the manufacturers’ championship helps us to stay where we were.”

Also playing in Petrov’s favour is a recent visit to Caterham’s headquarters of his sponsor Russian Helicopters, and Bernie Ecclestone’s desire to have a local driver on the grid when Russia hosts its inaugural grand prix in 2014.





#2226 fisssssi

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 13:37

Losing to Perez seriously undermined him; the first requirement in F1 is to beat your team mate. Personally I'd like him to stay, even in one of the lower teams, but it's just not worked out. :well:


Qualifying 10 - 10 (equal)
Points 65 - 60 (Perez)
Points finishes 9 - 7 (Kobayashi)

It was hardly a one-sided affair.

#2227 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 13:46

Strange. Someone who was seen as THE next big thing a year ago and who some already saw as future WDC driving a Ferrari is now without a drive - Kobayashi.

Really? Who was saying that? Must have missed something then :confused:

#2228 Dolph

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 13:58

Strange. Someone who was seen as THE next big thing a year ago and who some already saw as future WDC driving a Ferrari is now without a drive - Kobayashi.


I'm sure a great deal of Atlas F1 forumers didn't think Koba was the next big thing.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 14:03

I'm sure a great deal of Atlas F1 forumers didn't think Koba was the next big thing.

No, indeed. Many of us thought he was exciting and worth a top 12 or 14 drive, but he never really looked top 3 or 4. If he had more cash I'm sure he'd still be with us, but he evidently didn't impress quite enough to get a paid drive.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 14:06

Qualifying 10 - 10 (equal)

I think there is 11-8 in qualifying for Perez (Monaco discounted because Perez had a suspension failure at the beginning of Q1, and he really looked like a quicker driver there).
Perez qualified higher: Malaysia, Bahrain, Spain, Germany, Hungary, Singapore, Korea, India, Abu Dhabi, USA, Brazil (11)
Kobayashi qualified higher: Australia, China, Canada, Europe, Great Britain, Belgium, Italy Japan (8)

#2231 muramasa

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 15:08

I think there is 11-8 in qualifying for Perez (Monaco discounted because Perez had a suspension failure at the beginning of Q1, and he really looked like a quicker driver there).
Perez qualified higher: Malaysia, Bahrain, Spain, Germany, Hungary, Singapore, Korea, India, Abu Dhabi, USA, Brazil (11)
Kobayashi qualified higher: Australia, China, Canada, Europe, Great Britain, Belgium, Italy Japan (8)

@Malaysia
Kobayashi's rear dumper slowly started failing during FP3, but it was not completely broken (mostly working normal but sometimes failing) so team couldnt identify the issue. So he had to participate Quali with broken rear dumper and the setup completely messed up. After the quali Kobayashi insisted strongly that sth was wrong with rear for many hours after the Quali, then the team finally found his rear dumper was broken

@Spain
Kobayashi encountered gear box failure during Q2 so that couldnt compete in Q3 (his Q2 fastest lap was set while his right rear tyre was being sprayed by leaking oil)

@Germany
team made blunder of underfuelling Kobayashi's car + failing to send him on track quickly so that he missed the right timing for attack lap (started to rain in Q2 iirc) as well as couldnt do the planned attack lap

@Korea
both Sauber were affected by yellow flag during flying lap in final minutes of the qualifying session

@India
Kobayashi's car suffered telemetry blackout during quali just as he was about to start attack lap, which caused KERS setting problem due to which Kobayashi had to abondon the lap

also,
at Monaco, in Q1 after red flag he requested prime tyres because he thought it warms up quicker and also using prime at Q1 would be advantageos for Q2/3, but team gave him option (his request turned out to be better strategy).
and GB the team made huge blunder of sending him with inters when it was full-wet condition despite Kobayashi repeatedly requesting full-wet tyres

etc

above are just offhand, I dont remember all nor catch them all.

some of the issues may be common to both drivers, but Kobayashi had comfortably more bad luck for sure, not just for quali but also the race as I summarised several times in Kobayashi thread.



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Posted 28 December 2012 - 15:11

Perhaps we should let Kamui talk go since he admit that he's given up on 2013. :)

#2233 Phoenixx

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 15:13

I don't know how reliable this source is, but they are publishing that Adrian Sutil will be the driver next to Paul di Resta

http://www.f1passion...india-dal-2013/

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 15:22

but Kobayashi had comfortably more bad luck for sure, not just for quali but also the race as I summarised several times in Kobayashi thread.


wouldn't necessarily agree...you just know more about koba than perez...

#2235 artista

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 15:46

I don't know how reliable this source is, but they are publishing that Adrian Sutil will be the driver next to Paul di Resta

http://www.f1passion...india-dal-2013/

Hmm, the part about Sutil having a clause saying he isn't allowed to go to pubs during the season smells fishy. Today is April Fools in Spain, is it in Italy too? Could they have taken that news from Spain (I know some of the press jokes are related with Sutil)?

PS. Of course, Sutil is one of the names that sound strong for FI, it's just that with the pubs...

#2236 muramasa

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 15:48

wouldn't necessarily agree...you just know more about koba than perez...

you're free to present counter proof.

inevitably I check both drivers. Surely Perez didnt have leaking oil spraying rear tyre and failing dumper and blacking out telemetry and all that. Plus his crash at Monaco wasnt verified as mechanical failure, i think it was Davidson who said it was just Perez overdoing that corner (even if it was mechanical failure, it would be because he kissed barrier somewhere).
Actually I can go on about what issue Kobayashi had in each GPs if i want but of course regarding such rather minor issue it's vice versa, no one ever has such thing as perfect setup/balance so there's no point. Those listed are only obvious ones. And as I noted , few issues were common to both drivers.



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Posted 28 December 2012 - 15:52

I don't know how reliable this source is, but they are publishing that Adrian Sutil will be the driver next to Paul di Resta

http://www.f1passion...india-dal-2013/


With a clause in contract saying no bars and clubs during the season. he'll be living on his minibar at the hotel!
Well its interesting speculation for now until something is announced, which I am guessing will be after the newyear.

#2238 hijinx

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 16:46

Translation from Nicole concerning Petrov

F1 | Turun Sanomat 27.12.2012 22:48
According to Russian sources, Vitali Petrov is expecting an announcement which confirms his contract with Caterham.
According to manager Oksana Kosatshenko they have done everything they can in Petrov’s camp and now it’s up to Caterham’s management to make their decision.... continue reading here Petrov waiting for Caterham's decision

#2239 Talisman

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 20:12

wouldn't necessarily agree...you just know more about koba than perez...


Whereas you've proven you know little of either.

Koba did have bad luck this season but thats the way of the sport.

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#2240 Dolph

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 20:14

Perhaps we should let Kamui talk go since he admit that he's given up on 2013. :)


Like theres a million other interesting F1 related things to talk about at the moment.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 23:36

Perhaps we should let Kamui talk go since he admit that he's given up on 2013. :)

Will Kamui be reserve F1 driver somewhere?

Surely this should be the case.

However maybe he would prefer to sign for Toyota, race Le Mans, and do some other fun racing in Japan. :confused: Are there rumours about Indycar, and besides those cars are highly specialised and very different to F1, might be a waste of time like Rubens' adventures.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 23:37

I don't know how reliable this source is, but they are publishing that Adrian Sutil will be the driver next to Paul di Resta

http://www.f1passion...india-dal-2013/

I thought Jaime, with millions in pocket, was confirmed--ahead of the penniless di Resta?

This Force India stuff is impossible to follow. :drunk:

#2243 Rosberg

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 23:50

I bet Vijay Mallya is viewing the forum rubbing his hands in excitement and then it turns out to be Narain Karthikeyan and Karun Chandhok for the seats.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 23:59

I bet Vijay Mallya is viewing the forum rubbing his hands in excitement and then it turns out to be Narain Karthikeyan and Karun Chandhok for the seats.


Haha, that would be a real buzz kill. I think Vijay said a good while back that both of them "weren't good enough" or something, and that he'd gladly give a seat to a talented Indian driver when one would appear. I recall it being a real slap in the face to those two guys indirectly.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 00:06

I thought Jaime, with millions in pocket, was confirmed--ahead of the penniless di Resta?

Jaime seems to be heading towards DTM http://500autos.com/...-bmw-pilot.html - not easy to combine with F1  ;)

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 01:40

Jaime seems to be heading towards DTM http://500autos.com/...-bmw-pilot.html - not easy to combine with F1 ;)


What's making it so difficult?

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 09:24

What's making it so difficult?

10 more race weekends. No F1 team (except backmarkers) would allow that sort of distraction for a race driver (test driver is, of course, still possible) - especially not with a fast guy like Sutil purely focusing on F1. It would be more logical that DTM is his backup plan for not getting an F1 seat.


#2248 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 10:54

Have to say the whole Jaime hype is pretty much over by now. He's on the verge of being forgotten by the F1 paddock. I fear the same thing for Kobayashi next year.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 13:01

Wow potentially we could have Kovaleinen, Kobayashi and Alguersuari on the sidelines next year - just imagine what a driver line-up that would be for an upper midfield team (2x race drivers, 1x backup).

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 17:00

Wow potentially we could have Kovaleinen, Kobayashi and Alguersuari on the sidelines next year - just imagine what a driver line-up that would be for an upper midfield team (2x race drivers, 1x backup).


No kidding, especially considering how hungry those three guys seem to be.