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#2351 SpartanChas

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 19:34

Interpret this how you will; https://twitter.com/...986061901160451

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#2352 TheUltimateWorrier

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 19:35

Indeed. Glock deserved more as a driver from F1 and another pay driver to Marussia is hardly a creditable move from anyones perspective.

If this is the case, then perhaps the Concorde agreement has forced them to make this move as it is rumoured they are the only team not to benefit from the deal.

As for Glock though, perhaps he's happier potentially fighting for wins in DTM than just trundling about the back of the Formula 1 grid.

#2353 r4mses

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 19:42

Interpret this how you will; https://twitter.com/...986061901160451


looks like it's settled. Another talented driver out of F1 - for good, I'm afraid.

#2354 olliek88

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 19:52

My guess is Razia. He's been quiet of late, a little too quiet, he also brings a good wedge of money and would be more willing than Senna/Petrov to take a drive at the now tail end charlies.

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/103539

Edited by olliek88, 20 January 2013 - 19:54.


#2355 silense

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 19:54

Not a good day for F1 in my opinion. It would be quite sad for Williams if they lose Toto Wolff. I think he did a great job and would have been the right guy to succeed Frank in the future.
Also very bad news concerning Timo Glock, he deserves a seat in F1.

#2356 Francesc

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 19:58

Not a good day for F1 in my opinion. It would be quite sad for Williams if they lose Toto Wolff. I think he did a great job and would have been the right guy to succeed Frank in the future.
Also very bad news concerning Timo Glock, he deserves a seat in F1.


Please tell me what has he done? Appart from putting his slow wife there.

#2357 sock22

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 20:00

If this is true and Marussia take a pay driver, their line up is going to look very weak, especially if they go for a rookie like Razia.

#2358 D.M.N.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 20:02

A thread has been created for Glock leaving, so if discussion could continue there, that would be great :) http://forums.autosp...howtopic=180006

#2359 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 20:05

F1 is definitely going downhill now. Soon half the grid will exist of these paydrivers.

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#2360 jrg19

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 20:09

Chance for Senna?

#2361 TheUltimateWorrier

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 20:12

F1 is definitely going downhill now. Soon half the grid will exist of these paydrivers.

At this rate Formula E could have an incredible grid in 2014.

#2362 Rosberg

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 20:15

There should be another Formula One series and call it Pay Up Racing Championship or something along the lines :p

Anyways, going through the pages of this topic and Alguersuari has still not announced anything. Is he off to DTM?

#2363 TheUltimateWorrier

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 20:25

I'm sure the Alguersuari DTM link was with BMW but with the Glock rumour it seems unlikely now. Guessing he's most likely heading off to Ibiza.

#2364 Fastcake

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 20:46

F1 is definitely going downhill now. Soon half the grid will exist of these paydrivers.


It's not ideal, but most modern paydrivers are still better than those who occupied the grid pre-2000s. Just remember we were relatively spoiled the last few years.

#2365 Richard T

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 20:57

Hoping for Razia or someone.
Kobayashi could be a name but i would just see him dissapear into the unknown in a Marussia on a multi year del

#2366 Gfhuus

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 21:01

Seems like both Glock and Kovalainen made the wrong choice in 2009 and are now paying the price. We're still yet to see a driver of the new teams to get a better drive based on good performances. Senna and Ricciardo got into better cars but I don't think either of them really count.

On the plus side, this silly season just keeps on giving :)

#2367 olliek88

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 21:09

Listen, not that i'm unnaturally proud or anything but i think i might just of had some influence over a sky sports news article! (Frankly, the height of journalism!)

Said article - http://www1.skysport...he-German-media

The source of the "speculation"? - https://twitter.com/...083944381988864 (You'll notice the RT)

Got to love twitter... :stoned:

Sorry. :blush:

Edited by olliek88, 20 January 2013 - 21:10.


#2368 CrossF1

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 21:26

Listen, not that i'm unnaturally proud or anything but i think i might just of had some influence over a sky sports news article! (Frankly, the height of journalism!)

Said article - http://www1.skysport...he-German-media

The source of the "speculation"? - https://twitter.com/...083944381988864 (You'll notice the RT)

Got to love twitter... :stoned:

Sorry. :blush:


Only thing is that Dirk Müller isn't driving in DTM.

#2369 lustigson

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 21:29

Only thing is that Dirk Müller isn't driving in DTM.

Müller is in ALMS. But he IS a BMW factory driver, so perhaps that what he meant by 'welcome to the club'.

#2370 lustigson

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 21:32

If Glock is indeed out of Marussia, my guess would be that Petrov stays with Caterham — the team would be wise to keep him because of continuity's sake... plus his rubles — and Senna in at Marussia, since he brings quite an interesting wad of reals.

#2371 olliek88

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 21:33

Müller is in ALMS. But he IS a BMW factory driver, so perhaps that what he meant by 'welcome to the club'.


Well, he has driven the BMW DTM car on several occasions, so does that make him a "DTM driver"? I'm going to say yes! :lol:

http://translate.goo...ved=0CDoQ7gEwAQ

(Just to point out, i confused Dirk Werner with Dirk Muller originally! ) :blush: Oops.

Edited by olliek88, 20 January 2013 - 21:36.


#2372 GustavoB

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 21:37

a bit of surprising news....

But if I could bet I would go for:
Force India = Di Resta and Bianchi
Caterham = Pic and Bruno
Marrusia = Petrov and Razia

:rolleyes:

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 21:48

a bit of surprising news....

But if I could bet I would go for:
Force India = Di Resta and Bianchi
Caterham = Pic and Bruno
Marrusia = Petrov and Razia

:rolleyes:


I don't think Max Chilton's seat is at risk.

#2374 Anderis

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 21:48

a bit of surprising news....

But if I could bet I would go for:
Force India = Di Resta and Bianchi
Caterham = Pic and Bruno
Marrusia = Petrov and Razia

:rolleyes:

Why would Chilton be out of Marussia? It's unlikely they will find 2 drivers with more $$$ as well as Chilton will find any better seat in F1.

#2375 eric2610

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 21:54

Just spinning some thoughts but have there ever been any connections between Colles and Glock.

Maybe he is leaving towards Force India and joining there together with Colles. The other seat then would be Bianchi. Or maybe some german based investor (although highly unlikely) is behind Colles and Force India is set up to become a second german national team together with Sutil.

Who knows, maybe Bayern Munich have gone totally nuts now after employing Pep Guardiola and now also want to run a F1 team. If that is true, that would be the place to invest... Hehe...

But by thinking of Bayern Munich. A thought comes up. Audi is a big investor at Bayern Munich. Audi invests into FI via Colles. Starts producing a Drive Unit and enter F1 in 2015 as Team Audi, backed with Deutsche Telekom and Allianz as Team Sponsors. Drivers would be Glock and Sutil.


Just some thoughts as I said before, maybe I just got dragged away a bit....

#2376 CrashPad

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 21:56

Wonder if Heikki would be interested in the Marussia seat and vice versa...

#2377 jrg19

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 22:03

So that could be Di Resta and Glock out of F1. That's a real shame because Di Resta and Glock ain't pay drivers but they are both talented.. Well Glock is but don't know about Di Resta however he does have potential.


Diresta has shown nothing since coming in, outclassed two season running.

#2378 GustavoB

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 22:03

I don't think Max Chilton's seat is at risk.



Why would Chilton be out of Marussia? It's unlikely they will find 2 drivers with more $$$ as well as Chilton will find any better seat in F1.


my fault guys!!!

Marussia: (Petrov or Razia) and Chilton

:blush: :blush:




#2379 Anderis

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 22:09

Wonder if Heikki would be interested in the Marussia seat and vice versa...

If Marussia were interested in the driver like Heikki, they would've kept Glock. At the moment I can't imagine that Glock is leaving them for another F1 team, so it seems to me that's it all about money.

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#2380 William Hunt

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 22:23

I would assume that apart from Petrov, Senna, Razia and possibly Alguersuari that Jerôme d'Ambrosio (ex Marussia driver) and Guido van der Garde will probably also be talking to Marussia now.

#2381 olliek88

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 22:40

I would assume that apart from Petrov, Senna, Razia and possibly Alguersuari that Jerôme d'Ambrosio (ex Marussia driver) and Guido van der Garde will probably also be talking to Marussia now.


I suspect they have already agreed a deal with someone, which would of then led to talks with Timo about a settlement to get him out of his contract, i'd be surprised if they payed off a driver without knowing who's going to replace him.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 22:55

If Marussia were interested in the driver like Heikki, they would've kept Glock.

I agree, but not sure if this is a case of Marussia booting Timo or Timo just getting fed up with being a backmarker. My money is on the latter, in which case Heikki might be an option for Marussia.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 22:56

But by thinking of Bayern Munich. A thought comes up. Audi is a big investor at Bayern Munich. Audi invests into FI via Colles. Starts producing a Drive Unit and enter F1 in 2015 as Team Audi, backed with Deutsche Telekom and Allianz as Team Sponsors. Drivers would be Glock and Sutil.


IF Audi came into the sport, it's highly unlikely they would buy into force India. Their ex-Jordan facility is tiny. VAG would buy up the Toyota facility.

#2384 eric2610

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 23:04

I was just spinning arround, but they would need an entry, and that could be FI. Although, I think FIA and Ecclestone would make an entry for Audi if Audi or any other big manufactuer wanted to come into F1

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 23:59

Just spinning some thoughts but have there ever been any connections between Colles and Glock.

Maybe he is leaving towards Force India and joining there together with Colles. The other seat then would be Bianchi. Or maybe some german based investor (although highly unlikely) is behind Colles and Force India is set up to become a second german national team together with Sutil.

Who knows, maybe Bayern Munich have gone totally nuts now after employing Pep Guardiola and now also want to run a F1 team. If that is true, that would be the place to invest... Hehe...

But by thinking of Bayern Munich. A thought comes up. Audi is a big investor at Bayern Munich. Audi invests into FI via Colles. Starts producing a Drive Unit and enter F1 in 2015 as Team Audi, backed with Deutsche Telekom and Allianz as Team Sponsors. Drivers would be Glock and Sutil.


Just some thoughts as I said before, maybe I just got dragged away a bit....


I want what you smoke! It seems it doesn't make you go insane, just think funny stuff! :D

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:29

IF Audi came into the sport, it's highly unlikely they would buy into force India. Their ex-Jordan facility is tiny. VAG would buy up the Toyota facility.


No, that i doubt. If they would join the would probably have a smaller unit in the UK and would try to do as much development work as possible in Germany. See how quickly VW converted their racing team from the Dakar to WRC without any external help. If VW / Audi would join I bet they will have learned something from Mercedes and BMW. But I do not see them joining F1, so the discussion is moot.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:18

Listen, not that i'm unnaturally proud or anything but i think i might just of had some influence over a sky sports news article! (Frankly, the height of journalism!)

Said article - http://www1.skysport...he-German-media

The source of the "speculation"? - https://twitter.com/...083944381988864 (You'll notice the RT)

Got to love twitter... :stoned:

Sorry. :blush:


You are a Twister! (Twitter Star - can I coin that?) :D

Good work!

#2388 lustigson

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:36

Adam Cooper has it confirmed now: 'Glock leaves Marussia by “mutual consent”'. As has the Marussia team itself.

Edited by lustigson, 21 January 2013 - 09:37.


#2389 lustigson

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:44

Updated with Glock's Marussia departure.

Infiniti Red Bull Racing
Red Bull Racing RB9 – Renault RS27-2013
Team Principal: Christian Horner; Technical Director: Adrian Newey
1. Sebastian Vettel (on a long-term deal through '14, perhaps with options)
2. Mark Webber (another one-year deal)

Scuderia Ferrari
Ferrari F2013 – Ferrari 056
Team Principal: Stefano Domenicali ; Technical Director: Pat Fry
3. Fernando Alonso (contracted through '16)
4. Felipe Massa (stays on for yet another season)

Vodafone McLaren Mercedes
McLaren MP4-28 – Mercedes FO108Z1
Team Principal: Martin Whitmarsh ; Technical Director: Paddy Lowe, Neil Oatley
5. Jenson Button (contracted through '13 with option for '14)
6. Sergio Pérez (on a multi-year contract)

Lotus F1 Team
Lotus E21 – Renault RS27-2013
Team Principal: Eric Boullier ; Technical Director: James Allison
7. Kimi Räikkönen (contracted through '13)
8. Romain Grosjean (confirmed for a 2nd season)

Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team
Mercedes F1 W04 – Mercedes FO108Z1
Team Principal: Ross Brawn ; Technical Director: Bob Bell
9. Nico Rosberg (on a multi-year deal beyond '13)
10. Lewis Hamilton (signed for '13-'15)

Sauber F1 Team
Sauber C32 – Ferrari 056
Team Principal: Monisha Kaltenborn ; Chief Designer: Matt Morris
11. Nico Hülkenberg (confirmed)
12. Esteban Gutiérrez (confirmed)

Sahara Force India F1 Team
Force India VJM06 – Mercedes FO108Z
Team Principal: Vijay Mallya ; Technical Director: Andrew Green
14. Paul Di Resta (current driver; has a long-term deal, according to Wikipedia)
15. Adrian Sutil (rumoured; former driver)
Jaime Alguersuari (rumoured)
Jules Bianchi (test driver and Ferrari junior programme member; said by Mallya to be in the frame)
Bruno Senna (rumoured)
Sébastien Buemi (rumoured)
Kamui Kobayashi (rumoured)
Vitaly Petrov (rumoured)

Williams F1 Team
Williams FW35 – Renault RS27-2013
Team Principal: Frank Williams ; Technical Director: Mike Coughlan
16. Pastor Maldonado (confirmed; on a long-term deal through '14, perhaps with options)
17. Valtteri Bottas (confirmed)

Scuderia Toro Rosso
Toro Rosso STR8 – Ferrari 056
Team Principal: Franz Tost ; Technical Director: James Key
18. Daniel Ricciardo (confirmed)
19. Jean-Éric Vergne (confirmed)

Caterham F1 Team
Caterham CT02 – Renault RS27-2013
Team Principal: Cyril Abiteboul ; Technical Director: Mark Smith
20. Heikki Kovalainen (current driver; has stated that he wants to joing higher-ranking team for '13)
Giedo van der Garde (Caterham GP2 driver, said to have an F1 deal based on GP2 performance)
Vitaly Petrov (current driver; possibly on 2-year deal)
Bruno Senna (rumoured)
Jaime Alguersuari (rumoured)
Sébastien Buemi (rumoured)
21. Charles Pic (confirmed; long-term deal)

Marussia F1 Team
Marussia MR02 – Cosworth CA2013
Team Principal: John Booth ; Technical Director: Pat Symonds
22. Vitaly Petrov (rumoured)
Bruno Senna (rumoured)
Sébastien Buemi (rumoured)
Luis Razia (rumoured)
23. Max Chilton (confirmed; family trust fund allegedly buys into the team)

Edited by lustigson, 21 January 2013 - 09:54.


#2390 William Hunt

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:13

Buemi 'rumoured' with Caterham, Force India or Marussia? I thought he was already confirmed to stay as reserve driver with Red Bull? With Marussia I would add Guido van der Garde (almost signed for them in the past), Jerôme d'Ambrosio and Jaime Alguersuari as candidates instead of Buemi.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:13

I agree, but not sure if this is a case of Marussia booting Timo or Timo just getting fed up with being a backmarker. My money is on the latter, in which case Heikki might be an option for Marussia.


I seriously doubt that. I don't believe for one minute that he would walk away from F1.

#2392 lustigson

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:27

Buemi 'rumoured' with Caterham, Force India or Marussia? I thought he was already confirmed to stay as reserve driver with Red Bull?

He is. But he's rumoured to be in contention for at least Marussia in the Autosport.com article regarding Glock's departure.

With Marussia I would add Guido van der Garde (almost signed for them in the past), Jerôme d'Ambrosio and Jaime Alguersuari as candidates instead of Buemi.

I'd love to. And I'd bet that they're all in talks with the team right now. But their names haven't been mentioned in the media. (Or I might have missed them, in which case I stand corrected.)

#2393 TheUltimateWorrier

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:04

Buemi 'rumoured' with Caterham, Force India or Marussia? I thought he was already confirmed to stay as reserve driver with Red Bull?

I agree about the Buemi link, it seems a bit tenuous. He says something on facebook about 'good news', so therefore he's now a candidate? Plus what would Red Bull gain from putting him there?

With Marussia I would add Guido van der Garde (almost signed for them in the past), Jerôme d'Ambrosio and Jaime Alguersuari as candidates instead of Buemi.

Surely the only driver you've mentioned there with any serious money to replace Glock is Giedo, but I can't see him ever making the Formula 1 grid. I think others are right saying it's between Senna, Razia or Petrov.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:16

Wonder how long until Marussia announce the line up..

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:25

Marussia needed a pay driver and probably Glock was kind of tired of racing just Caterham, so probably good for both sides, he will enjoy some proper racing and fights in DTM.

Glock, Kovalainen, Kobayashi, Alguersari, and probably Sutil, some talent out there, bad times for F1.

I guess Petrov is the most logical choice for Marussia, russian driver, with russian sponsors, for a russian team with a russian GP in 2014.

Perhaps the chance to sign a proper pay driver has just emerged for Marussia and that´s why Glock has been released this late.


#2396 Rosberg

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 13:42

Caterham are expecting to announce their team-mate for Charles Pic before the revealing of the 2013 car.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 13:43

Perhaps the chance to sign a proper pay driver has just emerged for Marussia and that´s why Glock has been released this late.


Yeah! We don't want any of those fake pay drivers in F1! ;)

Edited by billm99uk, 21 January 2013 - 13:43.


#2398 Rosberg

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:24

Apparently Buemi has been confirmed for the Red Bull reserve seat.

#2399 F1ultimate

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:28

Apparently Buemi has been confirmed for the Red Bull reserve seat.


Good for him. If lucky he might get some Friday practice time in a Torro Rosso should Marko feel the need to give Vergne and Ricciardo some heat.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:12

It's been confirmed, one driver down for the Force India, Marussia and Caterham seat, many more to go..