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#2551 HaydenFan

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 14:55

Let's discuss whether or not Valtteri Bottas is a pay driver or not somewhere else and stick to the 2013 Silly Season while it lasts.


Especially when most drivers in F1 could be considered a pay driver.

Being that the Force India open gig has more threads than you can shake a stick at, I'm reaching into the season. Who will be the first to go? We have IMO 3 drivers already on the hot seat for a reason or another.

Paul di Resta is on a short leash. He isn't bringing much to the team financially, and FI looks to be strapped for cash this season. He could be replaced if the results don't come and the money issue gets worse.

Jean-Éric Vergne and Daniel Ricciardo didn't do much last season, and Red Bull is much more impatient in it's drivers in the last couple of seasons, so one of these drivers could see Félix da Costa coming fast. Or even a return of Buemi.

If Lotus wants to have Räikkönen challenge they need to keep Romain Grosjean, but if the season winds down and the season is not going the right way for the team and Grosjean, I could see them finally pulling the trigger and putting a new driver in the seat.

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#2552 olliek88

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 15:02

Jean-Éric Vergne and Daniel Ricciardo didn't do much last season, and Red Bull is much more impatient in it's drivers in the last couple of seasons, so one of these drivers could see Félix da Costa coming fast. Or even a return of Buemi.


What can they do when they, clearly, have the worst car out of the "old" teams? You need a decent car to get points, they didn't.

#2553 HaydenFan

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 15:14

What can they do when they, clearly, have the worst car out of the "old" teams? You need a decent car to get points, they didn't.


But so did Buemi and Alguersuari and they both got the boot. Same with Liuzzi, Speed, and Bourdais. Okay, Bourdais had Vettel to drive that car as well which made anyone else in the car look bad.

#2554 onewingedangel

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 15:14

The Williams racesuit shown looks like it still has space for a title-sponsor. With Senna's sponsors gone Williams seem to be relying on PDVSA for pretty much all of their non-TV/prize-money income.

#2555 lustigson

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 20:23

It appears that Narain Karthikeyan is also in the running for the remaining Force India seat.

Infiniti Red Bull Racing
Red Bull Racing RB9 – Renault RS27-2013
Team Principal: Christian Horner; Technical Director: Adrian Newey
1. Sebastian Vettel (on a long-term deal through '14, perhaps with options)
2. Mark Webber (another one-year deal)

Scuderia Ferrari
Ferrari F138 – Ferrari 056
Team Principal: Stefano Domenicali ; Technical Director: Pat Fry
3. Fernando Alonso (contracted through '16)
4. Felipe Massa (stays on for yet another season)

Vodafone McLaren Mercedes
McLaren MP4-28 – Mercedes FO108Z1
Team Principal: Martin Whitmarsh ; Technical Director: Paddy Lowe, Neil Oatley
5. Jenson Button (contracted through '13 with option for '14)
6. Sergio Pérez (on a multi-year contract)

Lotus F1 Team
Lotus E21 – Renault RS27-2013
Team Principal: Eric Boullier ; Technical Director: James Allison
7. Kimi Räikkönen (contracted through '13)
8. Romain Grosjean (confirmed for a 2nd season)

Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team
Mercedes F1 W04 – Mercedes FO108Z1
Team Principal: Ross Brawn ; Technical Director: Bob Bell
9. Nico Rosberg (on a multi-year deal beyond '13)
10. Lewis Hamilton (signed for '13-'15)

Sauber F1 Team
Sauber C32 – Ferrari 056
Team Principal: Monisha Kaltenborn ; Chief Designer: Matt Morris
11. Nico Hülkenberg (confirmed)
12. Esteban Gutiérrez (confirmed)

Sahara Force India F1 Team
Force India VJM06 – Mercedes FO108Z
Team Principal: Vijay Mallya ; Technical Director: Andrew Green
14. Paul Di Resta (confirmed; has a long-term deal, according to Wikipedia)
15. Jules Bianchi (test driver and Ferrari junior programme member; said by Mallya to be in the frame; tested the new car at Jerez)
Adrian Sutil (rumoured; former driver)
Kamui Kobayashi (rumoured)
Narain Karthikeyan (rumoured)

Williams F1 Team
Williams FW35 – Renault RS27-2013
Team Principal: Frank Williams ; Technical Director: Mike Coughlan
16. Pastor Maldonado (confirmed; on a long-term deal through '14, perhaps with options)
17. Valtteri Bottas (confirmed)

Scuderia Toro Rosso
Toro Rosso STR8 – Ferrari 056
Team Principal: Franz Tost ; Technical Director: James Key
18. Daniel Ricciardo (confirmed)
19. Jean-Éric Vergne (confirmed)

Caterham F1 Team
Caterham CT02 – Renault RS27-2013
Team Principal: Cyril Abiteboul ; Technical Director: Mark Smith
20. Charles Pic (confirmed; long-term deal)
21. Giedo van der Garde (confirmed)

Marussia F1 Team
Marussia MR02 – Cosworth CA2013
Team Principal: John Booth ; Technical Director: Pat Symonds
22. Max Chilton (confirmed; family trust fund allegedly buys into the team)
23. Luis Razia (confirmed)

#2556 np93

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:35

It appears that Narain Karthikeyan is also in the running for the remaining Force India seat.

Infiniti Red Bull Racing
Red Bull Racing RB9 – Renault RS27-2013
Team Principal: Christian Horner; Technical Director: Adrian Newey
1. Sebastian Vettel (on a long-term deal through '14, perhaps with options)
2. Mark Webber (another one-year deal)

Scuderia Ferrari
Ferrari F138 – Ferrari 056
Team Principal: Stefano Domenicali ; Technical Director: Pat Fry
3. Fernando Alonso (contracted through '16)
4. Felipe Massa (stays on for yet another season)

Vodafone McLaren Mercedes
McLaren MP4-28 – Mercedes FO108Z1
Team Principal: Martin Whitmarsh ; Technical Director: Paddy Lowe, Neil Oatley
5. Jenson Button (contracted through '13 with option for '14)
6. Sergio Pérez (on a multi-year contract)

Lotus F1 Team
Lotus E21 – Renault RS27-2013
Team Principal: Eric Boullier ; Technical Director: James Allison
7. Kimi Räikkönen (contracted through '13)
8. Romain Grosjean (confirmed for a 2nd season)

Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team
Mercedes F1 W04 – Mercedes FO108Z1
Team Principal: Ross Brawn ; Technical Director: Bob Bell
9. Nico Rosberg (on a multi-year deal beyond '13)
10. Lewis Hamilton (signed for '13-'15)

Sauber F1 Team
Sauber C32 – Ferrari 056
Team Principal: Monisha Kaltenborn ; Chief Designer: Matt Morris
11. Nico Hülkenberg (confirmed)
12. Esteban Gutiérrez (confirmed)

Sahara Force India F1 Team
Force India VJM06 – Mercedes FO108Z
Team Principal: Vijay Mallya ; Technical Director: Andrew Green
14. Paul Di Resta (confirmed; has a long-term deal, according to Wikipedia)
15. Jules Bianchi (test driver and Ferrari junior programme member; said by Mallya to be in the frame; tested the new car at Jerez)
Adrian Sutil (rumoured; former driver)
Kamui Kobayashi (rumoured)
Narain Karthikeyan (rumoured)

Williams F1 Team
Williams FW35 – Renault RS27-2013
Team Principal: Frank Williams ; Technical Director: Mike Coughlan
16. Pastor Maldonado (confirmed; on a long-term deal through '14, perhaps with options)
17. Valtteri Bottas (confirmed)

Scuderia Toro Rosso
Toro Rosso STR8 – Ferrari 056
Team Principal: Franz Tost ; Technical Director: James Key
18. Daniel Ricciardo (confirmed)
19. Jean-Éric Vergne (confirmed)

Caterham F1 Team
Caterham CT02 – Renault RS27-2013
Team Principal: Cyril Abiteboul ; Technical Director: Mark Smith
20. Charles Pic (confirmed; long-term deal)
21. Giedo van der Garde (confirmed)

Marussia F1 Team
Marussia MR02 – Cosworth CA2013
Team Principal: John Booth ; Technical Director: Pat Symonds
22. Max Chilton (confirmed; family trust fund allegedly buys into the team)
23. Luis Razia (confirmed)


Won't Vergne be in car number 18? Considering he finished ahead of Ricciardo in the points. Ditto for Hamilton and Rosberg.

#2557 lustigson

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 10:07

Won't Vergne be in car number 18? Considering he finished ahead of Ricciardo in the points. Ditto for Hamilton and Rosberg.


I don't know. Could be. But there aren't any rules about who gets which start number. It's at the teams' discretion.
I see that Wikipedia has Vergne with 18, indeed, but Rosberg with 9, and Razia with 22. I think I'll make changes according to Wikipedia's data.

#2558 united2010

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:05

Yeah JEV is #18 for this year, he tweeted about it the other day

#2559 svalgis

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:13

hamilton is #10 as seen in jerez.

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#2560 OldSoldier2

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:51

hamilton is #10 as seen in jerez.

Which makes sense as Ham is the new guy on the team. Schumi had the lower number during his time with Mercedes as he said he was superstitious about even numbers. Go laugh now.

#2561 svalgis

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 15:11

Which makes sense as Ham is the new guy on the team. Schumi had the lower number during his time with Mercedes as he said he was superstitious about even numbers. Go laugh now.

i agree, it makes sense. and yes, i am laughing quite a bit.

#2562 Rosberg

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 11:51

Just wondering, have Caterham and Marussia confirmed their reserve drivers?

#2563 KingB

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:13

Just wondering, have Caterham and Marussia confirmed their reserve drivers?

no, they are the only teams not having their reserve drivers confirmed yet

#2564 Francesc

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:25

no, they are the only teams not having their reserve drivers confirmed yet


Together with Williams.

#2565 KingB

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:48

Together with Williams.

but they have Susie Wolff :lol: that counts

#2566 Myrvold

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 13:32

but they have Susie Wolff :lol: that counts


How long will she be there when her husband jumped to Merc?

#2567 r4mses

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 13:35

Mercedes GP don't need the PR-stunt that Susie Wolff is to get some news items here and there. They used to have MSC, not they got HAM.

Talking about MGP and 3rd drivers, who's their third/reserver driver?

#2568 Clatter

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 13:46

How long will she be there when her husband jumped to Merc?


There are no signs of an intention to jump ship.
http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/21237085

#2569 Vesuvius

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 13:51

Caterhams Cyril Abiteboul said to MTV3 they are still negotiating with Heikki Kovalainen, they want to still keep him in the team and use his experience possibly as a reserve driver or at least on some adviser role.

#2570 William Hunt

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 14:09

Talking about MGP and 3rd drivers, who's their third/reserver driver?


Sam Bird

#2571 paweu

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 14:13

Mercedes GP don't need the PR-stunt that Susie Wolff is to get some news items here and there. They used to have MSC, not they got HAM.

Talking about MGP and 3rd drivers, who's their third/reserver driver?

AFAIR they don't have an official third driver since Nick Heidfeld left the team in 2010. But Brendon Hartley and Sam Bird drove the Mercedes F1 car sometimes.

#2572 Mandzipop

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 15:40

Posts deleted. This is the Formula One silly season thread. Not the football transfer window thread. There are football (soccer) related threads in the Paddock Club. Plese stay on topic.

#2573 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 14:07

Sutil had his seat fitting for Force India is reported on autosport homepage!!!

Edited by SealTheDiffuser, 14 February 2013 - 14:12.


#2574 KavB

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 14:32

Perhaps they're planning a shoot out for the seat?

#2575 Rosberg

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 14:34

Perhaps they're planning a shoot out for the seat?


Between Sutil, Bianchi and Karthikeyan? Would love to see this!

#2576 Lights

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 14:45

Would be good to have Sutil on the grid. He was basically the Hulkenberg of 2011 but this was glazed over by something else and he lost the drive instead of getting an upgrade.

#2577 William Hunt

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 14:59

Sutil is an excellent driver but I would love to see Jules Bianchi, one of the biggest young talents, on the grid.

#2578 ChiltonsCats

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 15:06

urgh, the annoying criminal is back on the grid.

#2579 goingthedistance

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 15:42

Sutil is fast enough, but not a huge fan of his personality. It would be a boring choice.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 15:57

Sutil is an excellent driver but I would love to see Jules Bianchi, one of the biggest young talents, on the grid.

Shame we can't have Sutil and Bianchi.

#2581 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 16:11

Shame we can't have Sutil and Bianchi.


maybe they will share one cockpit

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 16:51

urgh, the annoying criminal is back on the grid.

No more annoying than having a donkey like Chilton wasting an F1 seat.

#2583 l8apex

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 16:59

It has to be down to Bianchi and Sutil.

Perhaps Ferrari are taking too long or playing hard ball in the negotiations?

A seat fitting and putting Sutil in the car would certainly put some pressure on them.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 17:29

Sutil is an excellent driver but I would love to see Jules Bianchi, one of the biggest young talents, on the grid.


Eh. All it does is give me hope for the possible return of a better driver, Kobayashi.

Bianchi is not as good as Calado or Frijns or Da Costa, but he is better than the rut of paydrivers at the rear of the grid in 2013.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 17:36

Between Sutil, Bianchi and Karthikeyan? Would love to see this!


Thatd be an epic sight in an otherwise dull testing! 3 drivers, new tyres for each, same fuel load - fastest laptime wins the seat! Tickets to that please!!!

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 17:49

Thatd be an epic sight in an otherwise dull testing! 3 drivers, new tyres for each, same fuel load - fastest laptime wins the seat! Tickets to that please!!!


And all on the track at the same time in the same car. Whoever survives the longest wins.

#2587 Rosberg

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 17:56

But I think Force India will give the seat to Sutil and then in 2014, drop Sutil or Di Resta for Jules Bianchi.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 18:27

If Sutil were to join FI, it would make the most boring(on track) driver linup

#2589 Rosberg

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 18:29

Bit harsh on Sutil. He got himself into the top Ten in 2011 with the Force India doing badly at the start but improved throughout the season. It was a shame about him bottling someone, could of ended his F1 career.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 19:42

Does it matter if the pairing is boring? as far as the team are concerned they are going with who they feel are their best options and they know by history what Sutil acheived in 2011 and they also know what went wrong for Di Resta (with this season being his chance to turn it around)

Anyhow, if that is tha pairing, then I imagine Bianchi will be the third driver like originally planned with option of a race roll for 2014

#2591 Sin

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 19:51

I repeat what I wrote on Twitter Sutil yaaaaaaay :clap:

... also with Glock gone we need another german :up:

Edited by Sin, 14 February 2013 - 19:53.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 20:08

Yep. Real shame about Glock; I can't help thinking there'll be at least 7 or 8 drivers on this year's grid with less talent than him. Sutil's not as likeable, but he's decently quick and at least he's not a media puppy.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 20:17

Perhaps Ferrari are taking too long or playing hard ball in the negotiations?

A seat fitting and putting Sutil in the car would certainly put some pressure on them.

I hope this is the case too, Vijay just using Sutil as a bargaining chip. As it's apparently down to these two, I hope FI take a punt on Bianchi as he has greater potential than Sutil.

Eh. All it does is give me hope for the possible return of a better driver, Kobayashi.

I can't see much hope :well: . No other team wanted Sutil and he only seems to be in contention for Force India as Vijay has a hard-on for the guy. I don't think Kobayashi has that advantage with any team principal.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 14:34

I hope this is the case too, Vijay just using Sutil as a bargaining chip. As it's apparently down to these two, I hope FI take a punt on Bianchi as he has greater potential than Sutil.

I dont think Ferrari will fall for these gimmicks and are not desperate to get Bianchi a drive. If Massa is not good this season they will pay money to some experienced driver to partner Alonso.

And FI is losing credibility here by delaying their announcement. Initially I questioned Hulk's move to Sauber, makes more sense now.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 15:15

If Sutil were to join FI, it would make the most boring(on track) driver linup

I'm not sure FI would appreciate the repair costs of an exciting Gutierrez/Bianchi lineup though.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 17:05

Sutil is a future world champion , just give him a car

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 19:56

Sutil is a future world champion , just give him a car


I'm having a hard time believing he's better than Vettel, Alonso, and Hamilton.

He had many years to make a name for himself as a potential world champion and he was stuck at Spyker/FI the whole time. He's a solid consistent driver, just not super quick, and with the level of talent at the pointy end of the grid, you need BOTH those qualities to win a world championship.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 20:05

He's never gonna get to a top team with up and coming drivers like Hülkenberg and Maldonado anyway. He's doomed to stay at force India forever.

Also can't remember Gutierrez having a lot of crashes in gp2 last year?

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 13:54

I'm having a hard time believing he's better than Vettel, Alonso, and Hamilton.

He had many years to make a name for himself as a potential world champion and he was stuck at Spyker/FI the whole time. He's a solid consistent driver, just not super quick, and with the level of talent at the pointy end of the grid, you need BOTH those qualities to win a world championship.


how much did it take button to win the championship ? sutil have to stick in F1 untill a chance rises and jump immediately

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 13:57

how much did it take button to win the championship ? sutil have to stick in F1 untill a chance rises and jump immediately

The problem (for him) is, such chance is very unlikely. I can't see any top team choosing him in case if a place opens up. If nobody wanted him a year ago, why would they in the future?

Edited by Anja, 16 February 2013 - 13:59.