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#1 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 06:01

As Ray Bell suggest on the thread : For the record-1962 Formula 1 , I thought it an idea to include "all big" races .

This is a partly translation of the infos I got from Morten Alstrup (TNF member))and the Danish Automoblie Sport Union's President Carl Chr. Hansen :

1957 : Grand International (Sportscars 1500cc) Allison-Raby-Stacey
1958 : Grand International (Sportscars 3000cc) Carlsson-Moss-Brehmer
1959 : Grand International (Sportscars 2500cc) Moss-Piper-Brabham

The year after the first race named Grand Prix came :

1960 : 1960 Grand Prix (Formula 2) Brabham-G.Hill-Ireland
1961 : 1961 Grand Prix (Formula 1) Moss-Ireland-Salvadori
1962 : 1962 Grand Prix (Formula 1) Brabham-Gregory-Ireland # Inside the program under F1 entries the name "Danske Grand Prix 1962" was written. This name could well be the reason for misunderstandings and discussions.

Why the name was not altered is not explainable as the people from then are no more , but it is suggested that they modestly kept the title as the GP was not a world championship race.

Despite the simple names , the international scene managed to call the races different names which included , Denmark , Roskilde Ring etc. , this goes for both magazines and books.

PS. When the DASU wanted to call the historic race in København the Copenhagen Grand Prix , the FIA said no as Grand Prix is only permitted to use at F1 WC races. However as the DASU could document the use of "Grand Prix" back to 1960 , a compromise was made , hence the name , Copenhagen Historic Grand Prix.

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#2 Jesper O. Hansen

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 06:28

As Ray Bell suggest on the thread : For the record-1962 Formula 1 , I thought it an idea to include "all big" races .

This is a partly translation of the infos I got from Morten Alstrup (TNF member))and the Danish Automoblie Sport Union's President Carl Chr. Hansen :

1957 : Grand International (Sportscars 1500cc) Allison-Raby-Stacey
1958 : Grand International (Sportscars 3000cc) Carlsson-Moss-Brehmer
1959 : Grand International (Sportscars 2500cc) Moss-Piper-Brabham

The year after the first race named Grand Prix came :

1960 : 1960 Grand Prix (Formula 2) Brabham-G.Hill-Ireland
1961 : 1961 Grand Prix (Formula 1) Moss-Ireland-Salvadori
1962 : 1962 Grand Prix (Formula 1) Brabham-Gregory-Ireland # Inside the program under F1 entries the name "Danske Grand Prix 1962" was written. This name could well be the reason for misunderstandings and discussions.

Why the name was not altered is not explainable as the people from then are no more , but it is suggested that they modestly kept the title as the GP was not a world championship race.

Despite the simple names , the international scene managed to call the races different names which included , Denmark , Roskilde Ring etc. , this goes for both magazines and books.

PS. When the DASU wanted to call the historic race in København the Copenhagen Grand Prix , the FIA said no as Grand Prix is only permitted to use at F1 WC races. However as the DASU could document the use of "Grand Prix" back to 1960 , a compromise was made , hence the name , Copenhagen Historic Grand Prix.


Kudos to you, Bjørn, for doing the leg work.

FDM Jyllands-Ringen (Danish track, opened in 1966) has managed to maintain a Grand Prix title in their prime race in late August through the decades. Formula 1 cars were displayed in 1982 and 1983, John Watson driving a McLaren the first year and John Nielsen driving a Renault in '83.

The international races at Roskilde Ring also made it into the national movie scene, as can be seen here:

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#3 David McKinney

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 09:43

What was the name of the 23/6/57 Roskilde race won by Ronnie Moore in an F2 Cooper?

#4 piperp2

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 10:00

I do have some colour slides from the September 1960 event at the Roskilde event showing Moss, Brabham and Hulme talking to poor old George Lawton, must be one of the last photos taken off him. I will scan them shortly.

#5 Michael Ferner

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 11:47

What was the name of the 23/6/57 Roskilde race won by Ronnie Moore in an F2 Cooper?


Danish Speedway Championships, perhaps... Oh, I missed the "F2 Cooper" part! :D

#6 Ray Bell

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 12:30

I'm certain they will be most welcome, piper...

Sad, though, that such a short series of events should include such a tragedy.

#7 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 14:28

Don't know David , but it looks like it had only 5 starters . But Copenhagen Cup it was not , as that was 3 weeks earlier.

Slides would be very welcome , there is not too much from then.

#8 humphries

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 08:53

David

I think the race title was ASK Formel 2-lob (with a stroke through the o).
The star attraction was to be Lance Reventlow, with Danish connections, but he was a non-starter.

John

Edited by humphries, 18 May 2012 - 08:53.


#9 David McKinney

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 09:06

Thanks John

I just had it listed as "a Formula 2 race"

#10 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 13:45

ASK (Founded 1930 : Automobil Sports Klubben) arranged the race at Roskilde Ring . There is no evidence of a name as such , but I would agree to "ASK Formula 2 løb " as suggested , unless someone turns up with a program and other evidence.

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 19:42

ASK (Founded 1930 : Automobil Sports Klubben) arranged the race at Roskilde Ring . There is no evidence of a name as such , but I would agree to "ASK Formula 2 løb " as suggested , unless someone turns up with a program and other evidence.


Björn or David (or anyone else), do you have results from that meeting in 1957?

#12 David McKinney

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 06:54

No I don't, except that there were apparently only five starters

#13 humphries

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 08:43

Sorry, early morning malfunction

Edited by humphries, 19 May 2012 - 08:52.


#14 humphries

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 08:50


23/06/1957 ASK Formel 2-Lob 3 x 8 laps, 1 x12 laps

1 Ronnie Moore (Cooper T43-Climax) 22pts
2 Raymond Thackwell (Cooper T43-Climax) 18 pts
3 Jon Fast (OSCA MT4) 14 pts
4 Julius Voigt-Nielsen (Porsche 550RS) 13 pts
5 Andreas Geil (Cooper T39-Climax) 8 pts
6 Dan Margulies (Lotus XI-Climax) 7 pts

#15 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 10:34

Thanks for that , I can supply a startline picture....mail me if .......