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#51 Russell Burrows

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 15:23

Are chicanes the answer?


This was a joke by the way.

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#52 roger9650

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 16:33

I'm beginning to think that all the H&S stuff we're fed, and the smoke and mirrors bull that we increasingly endure has produced a group of people with a wholly different mindset regarding the TT. They certainly seem to defend it vigorously though often without any cogent argument and a condescending manner. The up side is that if they really believe it then TT may well survive, though in what form I'm not sure.
The TT is dangerous, always has been, always will be and I very much suspect that the majority of serious incidents have occurred on dry roads. The current bikes are perceived as being the most difficult to ride machines ever devised by man - I can only assume that the '67 Honda 500-4 has been overlooked, and there were many others that weren't too clever.
I watched a few minutes of another 'dry only' sport at Trent Bridge recently and played spot the spectator!!



#53 tonyed

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 16:56

This was a joke by the way.


The Manx 'Humungodome'.

We are producing enough hot air on this topic to keep it inflated. :clap:

Or possibly use JMcs leathers as a tent with a central pole on Snaefell. :smoking:

If there is a 90% chance of being killed when falling off in the Island then I died at least 2.8 times. Some people may class me as dead but I'm still here. :confused:

#54 picblanc

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 17:03

The Ulster takes place in the wet, NW200 too, (as long as a bike dosnt shat itself & leave a dirty great oil slick spread around a few hundred yards of the course!!)
Re the Senior race if it was too wet & some riders did not fancy racing they did not have to race, were all competitors consulted?
I bet many would have ridden? :well:

#55 Rennmax

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 17:41

The Ulster takes place in the wet, NW200 too, (as long as a bike dosnt shat itself & leave a dirty great oil slick spread around a few hundred yards of the course!!)
Re the Senior race if it was too wet & some riders did not fancy racing they did not have to race, were all competitors consulted?
I bet many would have ridden? :well:


It was only wet between the mountain mile and the 33rd milestone Graham, which made the tyre choice apparently unsolvable.


#56 Paul Rochdale

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 18:02

"I did not find a reference to Paul Rochdale"

And neither will you, but I wasn't rubbishing those courageous riders who decided that with up to 19 TT wins under their belts, it wasn't sensible. Clearly you know better than John McGuinness and his colleagues. It's obvious where my sympathies lie.


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Posted 13 June 2012 - 18:40

The choice of John McGuiness as one of the arbitrators did seem a little strange, bit like going to to Wembley and asking the occupants if they like football. The front runners are always going to say no, they're the ones disadvantaged.
Can't comment on the NW (lost interest a couple of years ago), but I do have confidence in the organisers of the UGP to do the right thing. I love it and haven't missed going over for years but I do wonder how many 2008s I would put up with before thinking twice?


#58 picblanc

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 21:43

It was only wet between the mountain mile and the 33rd milestone Graham, which made the tyre choice apparently unsolvable.


Ah! cheers Rupert. :wave:

#59 SMonty

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:48

Don't anyone be under the false illusion all is well at the NW200 re. racing in the wet!

We were fortunate this year with a full program thanks to dry roads. Cast your minds back to 2011 - a debacle due to an oil spill and wet roads. Also remember 2009 - last two races of the day cancelled due to wet roads!

In this modern day litigation mad society, organisers are s**t scared of running a race when the conditions are questioned by no matter how small a minority. God forbid there should be a tradgedy if running a race in questionable conditions, whoever made the call can envisage himself being hauled before a coroner and asked "why did you give the go ahead in the face of contrary advice from the experienced Mr Whoever?"

The situation can only get worse now. Having set a precedent for cancelling a race due to inclement weather, the legal boffins could tear apart anyone from here on who would dare run a race in similar conditions. "......so why when unsafe to run in 2012 was this race run in 20?? which resulted in the tragic loss of Mr ????"

It's a very sad state of affairs, and I just wish we could find a simple workable solution.

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#60 Stu Pidman

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 23:24

Ban slick tyres for real road racing?


#61 RC162

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:14

Don't anyone be under the false illusion all is well at the NW200 re. racing in the wet!

We were fortunate this year with a full program thanks to dry roads. Cast your minds back to 2011 - a debacle due to an oil spill and wet roads. Also remember 2009 - last two races of the day cancelled due to wet roads!

In this modern day litigation mad society, organisers are s**t scared of running a race when the conditions are questioned by no matter how small a minority. God forbid there should be a tradgedy if running a race in questionable conditions, whoever made the call can envisage himself being hauled before a coroner and asked "why did you give the go ahead in the face of contrary advice from the experienced Mr Whoever?"

The situation can only get worse now. Having set a precedent for cancelling a race due to inclement weather, the legal boffins could tear apart anyone from here on who would dare run a race in similar conditions. "......so why when unsafe to run in 2012 was this race run in 20?? which resulted in the tragic loss of Mr ????"

It's a very sad state of affairs, and I just wish we could find a simple workable solution.


Totally agree with you. The only way this will be solved is by a legal document, signed by the riders, that would completely absolve anyone of the riders decision to race and one that would stand up to any legal challenge. I thought we had it already when you signed on but clearly the courts currently think not. The organisers set up the race and the rider decides wether to ride in it. When he sets off down Bray Hill it must be accepted that this was their decision and theirs alone and accepts all consequences of their actions. I would hope that this doesn't make riders race in terrible conditions like fog but wet roads are possible I'm sure. In this day and age they must be able to make a tyre to cope with wet and dry even on a superbike. What on are people using on the road then that last 3-6000 miles and these would only have to last under 300. Have they ever stopped a Manx race for wet roads ?

#62 GD66

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 09:50

http://www.asphaltan...r-to-the-hedge/ :wave:

Edited by GD66, 22 June 2012 - 09:50.


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Posted 22 June 2012 - 10:13

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: That is brilliant Glenn, great find!! :up:

PS did you get over to the Island, or did I dream it that you were going to do some marshalling?

#64 GD66

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 12:27

I was registered as a marshal, accomm sorted and airfares booked Gra, but spent most of April in the Royal Perth coronary ward with ventricular tachycardia (racing heartbeat) and three catheter ablations and a pacemaker later, am still not sorted.
Doctors weren't interested in the flying at all as my situation was far from stabilised at TT time.
Existing on some nasty, toxic medication called Mexiletine, which is only used in Canada because of the gruesome side-effects...
Still ticking though, son ! :cool:

#65 fil2.8

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 12:46

I was registered as a marshal, accomm sorted and airfares booked Gra, but spent most of April in the Royal Perth coronary ward with ventricular tachycardia (racing heartbeat) and three catheter ablations and a pacemaker later, am still not sorted.
Doctors weren't interested in the flying at all as my situation was far from stabilised at TT time.
Existing on some nasty, toxic medication called Mexiletine, which is only used in Canada because of the gruesome side-effects...
Still ticking though, son ! :cool:



Oh , Glenn , sorry to hear of your ill's , hope things improve for you , and what a great shame :well:

#66 picblanc

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 13:06

Blimey!! sorry to hear that matey, take it easy & do as your told & get well soon my friend! :kiss:

#67 exclubracer

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 13:24

:up: From me also Glenn, take it easy and get well soon mate. :wave:

#68 GD66

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 14:29

Cheers lads, thanks for that. Fighting back hard, when I get the meds stabilised it'll be a lot better. Missing the TT was a bitter pill, but staying alive seemed more important. Maybe next year...
Listened to most of it online, although the frequent delays plus the cancellation sure put a spanner in the works. No easy fix there, it seems. Work in progress...

#69 Russell Burrows

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 14:35

Glenn, a mate of mine had something similar right after he married someone twenty years younger than him...... He's still around and definitely still enjoying himself.

Best wishes and keep er... your pecker up.

#70 Rennmax

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 14:52

All the best Glenn :wave:

#71 philippe7

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 21:32

Best wishes and hope you get better soon Glenn :wave:

#72 peterd

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 09:41

Jeez, I wondered why you'd gone all quiet on us. Take care and get well again. :) :wave:

#73 GD66

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 10:57

Again, thanks for the kind wishes, gents. Will be giving the vmx 400 Husqvarna the flick, but hoping to still drag the Honda out for a gallop or two towards the end of the year. See how we go... :drunk: