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#1701 jstrains

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 08:39

Happy Birthday Fernando! I hope you will get a nice present today and at the end of the season!

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#1702 akshay380

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 09:05

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Hope you guys like this. Happy bday Fernando :)

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#1703 jstrains

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 09:56

Fernando on FB: "Thank you very much for the good wishes for my birthday !!! I love to share with all of you these happy moments..!"

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 10:06

Happy birthday Fernando hope you have another stormer to the front in the race and the rains falls down :up:

#1705 kosmos

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 10:52

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Me & @alo_oficial...happy birthday man!

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I hope both are the stars of this race :)

#1706 steferrari

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:06

Tanti auguri Fernando ! :clap:

#1707 ForzaGTR

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:11

Happy B Day to Fernando. In the form of his life too. Such a great era for F1, so many great drivers. Fernando, currently the best in my opinion.

#1708 PoleMan

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:18

Happy Birthday wishes Fernando, the stand out driver of this 2012 season, so far. I can think of the perfect gift, but none of us on here can give it to you. :D



#1709 teejay

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:32

Happy bday Fernando, genuinely one of the best out there over the last decade.

#1710 RedOne

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:44

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Me & @alo_oficial...happy birthday man!

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I hope both are the stars of this race :)


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#1711 Ferrari2183

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:47

Many happy returns of the day.

Cap it off with a good result.

#1712 ForzaGTR

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:56

Lewis Hamilton ‏@LewisHamilton

Me & @alo_oficial...happy birthday man!

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I hope both are the stars of this race :)


Fernando's glasses are awesome.


#1713 aditya-now

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 13:53

Happy Birthday, Fernando!

We saw another genius drive of Fernando, taking care of the tires, keeping Webber behind, so only losing points to Vettel (and Raikkonen and Hamilton further back).... damage limitation, if he cannot do more. That's the way to become champion.

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#1714 kosmos

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 13:53

Very good race, +40 points lead, if the car improves he can do it.

#1715 fnz

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 13:58

Nice and clean race by Fred, p5 is the best possible result.

#1716 topical

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 13:58

Good result. Extends lead to 40 points but at the same time a strong reminder to Ferrari that they need to improve that car for the last 9 races, at the moment it is not enough.

#1717 BCM

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 13:59

Alonso should send the RBR strategist that called Webber in for his last stop when he was 12s up the road with about 12 laps to go and lapping quicker a thank you card.

What a bizarre decision.

#1718 bmardini

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:00

useful points, p5 at the end of a "horrible" weekend is excellent.

#1719 garoidb

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:00

Very good race, +40 points lead, if the car improves he can do it.


5th is reasonable damage limitation, gaining points on Webber and Button (although I don't see him challenging now). The loss of 15 points to Hamilton could hurt at the end of the season, but keeping the loss to Vettel down to 2 points is perhaps the most positive aspect. Kimi is still in the mix too.

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#1720 aditya-now

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:00

Very good race, +40 points lead, if the car improves he can do it.


Good to have that lead into the summer break, there is a storm brewing behind with Webber 124, Vettel 122, Hamilton 117 and Raikkonen 116 points - gonna be a tight last nine races - as predicted!!!

#1721 evol88

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:03

Pretty pleased with that result. Rain/crashes up front were the only things that would have got Alonso on the podium today. 40 points is a healthy lead, and hopefully Ferrari can improve the car. I mean, look at the performance McLaren found between Silverstone and Hockenheim.

#1722 kosmos

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:15

Another positive for today, 23 races finishing on the points!. One more to reach Schumacher record.

#1723 garoidb

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:26

Good to have that lead into the summer break, there is a storm brewing behind with Webber 124, Vettel 122, Hamilton 117 and Raikkonen 116 points - gonna be a tight last nine races - as predicted!!!


Yeah, if any of those can string together a few wins in a row, then the points lead is gone. Let's hope they share the wins as much as possible (Kimi to win at Spa for example). I think Alonso can only get opportunistic wins (e.g. with pole position after a wet qualifying session, or if opponents make mistakes). Let's hope he gets one or two more opportunities.

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#1724 velgajski1

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:29

Great stuff by Alonso today, again did the best job possible. If he can keep it up, WDC should be his.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:30

If it weren't for Alonso holding the field in the race, Kimi's race wouldn't be so awesome. So, Thank you Nando and keep up the good work. :up:

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:49

I think Alonso can only get opportunistic wins (e.g. with pole position after a wet qualifying session, or if opponents make mistakes). Let's hope he gets one or two more opportunities.


Really? Forgetting Singapore '10 are we?

From this point on the championship is psychological warfare. The last few races will separate the men from the boys, the mentally weak drivers will crack under pressure e.g. Webber, Hamilton, possibly Vettel. Meanwhile the latter stages of the championship always has been Alonso's strongest point in the championship. Nerves of steel.

#1727 PoleMan

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:49

The definition of damage limitation! Happy birthday, Fernando! You gave yourself your largest points lead of the season, which is the best present anyone could have provided! :up: :up:

Your pace today couldn't have got you higher, and you just missed out jumping Vettel for 4th on his late pit stop.

Now it's time for a well-deserved vacation for you and your Scuderia Ferrari mates! Get refreshed and finish the season strong! Oh, and find a bit more speed from those updates. :lol:

#1728 garoidb

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:52

Really? Forgetting Singapore '10 are we?

From this point on the championship is psychological warfare. The last few races will separate the men from the boys, the mentally weak drivers will crack under pressure e.g. Webber, Hamilton, possibly Vettel. Meanwhile the latter stages of the championship always has been Alonso's strongest point in the championship. Nerves of steel.


I meant in this car of course - I am a strong supporter of Alonso and I agree that it will be interesting to see how the others cope.

#1729 Konsta

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 15:05

If it weren't for Alonso holding the field in the race, Kimi's race wouldn't be so awesome. So, Thank you Nando and keep up the good work. :up:


Then again, had Kimi's KERS worked from the start and FA not overtaken him as a result, then what? FA did well but not magically - the diff to that other Ferrari "driver" was not that big this time.

#1730 velgajski1

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 15:32

Really? Forgetting Singapore '10 are we?

From this point on the championship is psychological warfare. The last few races will separate the men from the boys, the mentally weak drivers will crack under pressure e.g. Webber, Hamilton, possibly Vettel. Meanwhile the latter stages of the championship always has been Alonso's strongest point in the championship. Nerves of steel.


Finish of 2007 and 2010 seasons kind of beat your theory.

#1731 mknight

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 15:41

Finish of 2007 and 2010 seasons kind of beat your theory.


Do they? Unless my theory suggested that the team performs best under pressure, they don't beat the theory at all. I suggest you look back and see Alonso's second half of 2010. Did he crack under pressure? Certainly not. The team made the strategic error.

What a foolish comment to make.

#1732 jstrains

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 16:17

Fernando on FB: "Very happy how the day went and also the race! Again many points and more difference in the championship...! A good birthday day..;)))"

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 16:22

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 16:29

Do they? Unless my theory suggested that the team performs best under pressure, they don't beat the theory at all. I suggest you look back and see Alonso's second half of 2010. Did he crack under pressure? Certainly not. The team made the strategic error.

What a foolish comment to make.


Good damage limitation from Fernando today.I thought at one stage that he would end up 7th so it's nice to get 4 more points.A shame it didn't rain but I beleive Alonso can depend on the next long awaited Ferrari upgrade for Spa and Monza rather than the weather.Best of all is that he consistently depends on himself like a true leader, and only an Alonso type of consistency mixed with genious and majic will win this close championship :kiss:


#1735 RedOne

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 16:31

Another positive for today, 23 races finishing on the points!. One more to reach Schumacher record.


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#1736 velgajski1

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 17:30

Do they? Unless my theory suggested that the team performs best under pressure, they don't beat the theory at all. I suggest you look back and see Alonso's second half of 2010. Did he crack under pressure? Certainly not. The team made the strategic error.

What a foolish comment to make.


Less foolish than calling Vettel mentally weak.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 17:48

Monza and Singapore coming up soon, two of his favourite race tracks. A win at one of those and it would be a massive step towards the Championship...

#1738 bonjon1979a

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 18:17

It's days like today that will win Alonso the Championship. Quietly picked up points when the chips were down. Massive Mclaren fan but you have to say that Fernando is awesome. Wish he still drove for the silver team. As it is, it's hard to begrudge his success. Best all round driver on the grid at the moment.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 18:22

Hard to believe he actually increased his lead in the championship with that result, well done, but i fear Fernando is due some bad fortune, hes been getting the rub of the green for a long time now, and sooner or later karma has gotta get ya.......


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#1740 joshb

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 18:32

yeah was annoying for me the one time recently where Ferrari have been off the leading pace, Seb only takes 2 points out of his deficit to Fernando.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 18:33

It's days like today that will win Alonso the Championship. Quietly picked up points when the chips were down. Massive Mclaren fan but you have to say that Fernando is awesome. Wish he still drove for the silver team. As it is, it's hard to begrudge his success. Best all round driver on the grid at the moment.


:up: for nice comment. That's what I said immediately after the race on the live chat; if a bad weekend ends like this for Fernando he will be hard to beat in the WDC.

#1742 mknight

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 19:17

Less foolish than calling Vettel mentally weak.


Nice to see you had no response to the actual argument in question, credit to you for realising you made a stupid comment.

But clearly not as foolish as not being able to read and interpret a comment. I said possibly weak, which is entirely arguable given his reaction to difficult situations in races.

#1743 Lights

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 20:10

Wonder how many points Alonso thinks he needs in the second half of the championship.

This season reminds me a bit of 2010, competition wise.

2010 standings after 11 races:

Hamilton 157
Button 143
Webber 136
Vettel 136
Alonso 123

At the end of the year, this order was basically turned upside down. There's still so much that can happen, although Alonso's position looks slightly brighter as the nearest rival is more points away than Alonso himself was in 2010. In the end I figure to win the championship you'd need around 270 points. To reach that Fernando needs consistent top 6 finishes including probably another win and a couple of podiums.

It's going to be crucial what Ferrari can do on tracks like Spa and Monza though. Historically Ferrari has not been strong at Spa but at Monza they have. If Alonso can come away with a podium and win there I'd say the championship is pretty much made, but I'm afraid that's a bit optimistic.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 20:41

Wonder how many points Alonso thinks he needs in the second half of the championship.

This season reminds me a bit of 2010, competition wise.

2010 standings after 11 races:

Hamilton 157
Button 143
Webber 136
Vettel 136
Alonso 123

At the end of the year, this order was basically turned upside down. There's still so much that can happen, although Alonso's position looks slightly brighter as the nearest rival is more points away than Alonso himself was in 2010. In the end I figure to win the championship you'd need around 270 points. To reach that Fernando needs consistent top 6 finishes including probably another win and a couple of podiums.

It's going to be crucial what Ferrari can do on tracks like Spa and Monza though. Historically Ferrari has not been strong at Spa but at Monza they have. If Alonso can come away with a podium and win there I'd say the championship is pretty much made, but I'm afraid that's a bit optimistic.


Yeah, I looked at that 2010 table too. At the moment Alonso is 40 points ahead of Webber, 42 ahead of Vettel, 47 ahead of Hamilton and 48 ahead of Raikkonen. They all have good cars. What he really needs is for these guys to take points off one another so that no clear contender emerges. There is not much Alonso can do about that, though. I also don't think he can do it without another win and a few more podiums.

If he can keep a 30-50 point lead for a few more races, then it will force the others to take some chances.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 20:45

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 20:49

Wonder how many points Alonso thinks he needs in the second half of the championship.

This season reminds me a bit of 2010, competition wise.

2010 standings after 11 races:

Hamilton 157
Button 143
Webber 136
Vettel 136
Alonso 123

At the end of the year, this order was basically turned upside down. There's still so much that can happen, although Alonso's position looks slightly brighter as the nearest rival is more points away than Alonso himself was in 2010. In the end I figure to win the championship you'd need around 270 points. To reach that Fernando needs consistent top 6 finishes including probably another win and a couple of podiums.

It's going to be crucial what Ferrari can do on tracks like Spa and Monza though. Historically Ferrari has not been strong at Spa but at Monza they have. If Alonso can come away with a podium and win there I'd say the championship is pretty much made, but I'm afraid that's a bit optimistic.


I'm sure the car will be updated for Spa and with cold temperatures/rain likely there as well as a decent allround track with a car that is fairly all round in terms of half-decent in all areas but not particularly excellent.

Saying it like this, I don't think they'll lose out to McLaren in S1 by too much, can match the other three teams in S2 and possibly being faster than Red Bull and Lotus again in S3, especially in cold weather when McLaren could be compromised. With an updated car Fernando would have a shot at the front row..

#1747 Lights

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 21:09

Good point, last year Ferrari really struggled in cold conditions, especially on the harder compound, but this year that shouldn't really be an issue.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 21:26

Ferraris pace at Spa was actually very good last year, until the usual hard tyre BS.

Hopefully an upgraded car, the Ferrari should be on the money in the final 2 European races

#1749 kosmos

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 16:07

"We must go on holiday knowing that our lead is not enough to win the championship."

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I can argue about it...sadly.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 22:24

I think Alonso´s shape is SO good that he can hold it even if Ferrari doesn´t react and get back to winning shape. Lots of people are matching his performance peaks, but no one is able to match his consistency maximizing the bad days.

If world is fair, Alonso must be 2012 champion on merit, unless he does a terrible second half -which won´t happen-. :up: