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#751 halbvoll

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:08

And if Vettel wants the championship he can get off his as$ and win it himself.



Exactly - like he did today.

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#752 goldenboy

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:14

No, he's 73 points behind with 75 available. And if Vettel wants the championship he can get off his as$ and win it himself.

he is and has been for a few years now :lol:

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:24

I was watching the race and the live timing too, and thought that his tyres had hit the cliff on Lap 20 or so when he lap times dropped. His S1 time was horrible - 44.6s. But after a few laps, he managed to purple his S2 time, and was extremely competitive with S3 time as well. That's when it got me thinking that it must have been KERS issue all over again. Then just a few laps prior to his only pit stop, he managed to up his S1 time to a sub 44s time.

yeah he was losing the better part of a second in s1 for awhile there

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:56

Interesting that he was losing time in S1 before his KERS went off.

Interesting because in Korea he was losing all of his time to Vettel in S1 in Korea as well. Same sort of setup. Slow corner onto a long long straight. He didn't report any KERS issues in Korea though.

Apparently he got up and left the post race press conference abruptly yesterday as well.

http://www.dnaindia....ference_1757217

Something happening behind the scenes?

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:58

Webber is useless. He shouldn't even be in the position to let Alonso profit from his Kers failure. Losing 10s to Vettel in one stint is a joke.


That's why they keep giving him a contract. They want a nice number 2 for Vettel.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 02:29

lol @ all these new forumers coming out and bashing webber, its like the good old days of planetf1 all over again :rotfl:

anyway he got a better start than vettel and probably could have taken him going into the first corner, but at this point in the season there's no real reason in taking such a risk. If his kers hadn't failed he would have finished ahead of Alonso. Without kers you lose about .3 a lap + your brake balance gets completely ruined so he would have had to keep adjusting it until it was ok. I think he did ok considering.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 03:42

Apparently he got up and left the post race press conference abruptly yesterday as well.

http://www.dnaindia....ference_1757217

Something happening behind the scenes?


Apparently he was a bit sore at being ignored by everybody. He put in such a great drive and nobody seemed to care. He did apologise profusely afterwards though.

anyway he got a better start than vettel and probably could have taken him going into the first corner, but at this point in the season there's no real reason in taking such a risk. If his kers hadn't failed he would have finished ahead of Alonso. Without kers you lose about .3 a lap + your brake balance gets completely ruined so he would have had to keep adjusting it until it was ok. I think he did ok considering.


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#758 Ian G

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 03:42

Yeah,OK race for him and good to see a reasonable start,apparently he had several issues and the Team were delighted with 3rd,the front wing adjustment wasn't to his liking for some reason and the KERS system overheated when Mark was defending from Alonso after the first pit stop.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 03:57

I like MarkWebber he is a great guy but he just isn't on the same level as Vettel/Hamilton/Alonso, no where near.


I dont think anyone here seriously claims he is. Mark's definitely a second-tier driver, alongside guys like Button & Rosberg.

Look at all the flak and hate Massa has gotten for the past two years. But the fact of the matter is that Vettel is decimating his teammate with pretty much the same margin.


What a pile of shit. :rolleyes:

Massa's barely ever close to Alonso.

Edited by NotSoSilentBob, 29 October 2012 - 04:00.


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#760 NotSoSilentBob

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 04:03

But after a few laps, he managed to purple his S2 time, and was extremely competitive with S3 time as well. That's when it got me thinking that it must have been KERS issue all over again. Then just a few laps prior to his only pit stop, he managed to up his S1 time to a sub 44s time.


It may well have been his tyres getting through the so-called graining phase, and then coming back to him. Webber's (apparent) post-race comments that they were set to go much deeper into the GP before stopping but had to cover Alonso seems to bear that out.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 04:27

Apparently he was a bit sore at being ignored by everybody. He put in such a great drive and nobody seemed to care. He did apologise profusely afterwards though.


Really? That seems out of character for him to me. I can't see him just getting up and going because no one was asking him questions. He seemed very subdued on the podium as well.

Do you have a source for that?

Edited by BCM, 29 October 2012 - 04:27.


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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:21

It may well have been his tyres getting through the so-called graining phase, and then coming back to him. Webber's (apparent) post-race comments that they were set to go much deeper into the GP before stopping but had to cover Alonso seems to bear that out.

Yup, Webber 44.6s in sector 1 on lap 20 or so was due to faulty KERS. Webber confirmed it in the post-race press conference.

Q. When did you have the problem with KERS? When did you lose it first?

MW: Around about lap 19, 20. Maybe a bit earlier. It was on and off and then completely off and then off. It was a moving target really.



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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:44

he stayed the majority of the press conference and left at the last question..so karne, I'm not sure he was that upset about being "ignored"...he was asked enough questions.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:54

he stayed the majority of the press conference and left at the last question..so karne, I'm not sure he was that upset about being "ignored"...he was asked enough questions.

Luckily he stayed long enough to answer questions about his KERS issue... :)

#765 Black Widow

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 09:24

Suppose you see a bird walking around in a farm yard.

This bird has no label that says 'duck'. But the bird certainly looks like a duck. Also, he goes to the pond and you notice that he swims like a duck. Then he opens his beak and quacks like a duck.

Well, by this time you have probably reached the conclusion that the bird is a duck, whether he's wearing a label or not.

Relevant?

Most certainly!

Irrefutable?

No!

Probable?

Yes!



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Posted 29 October 2012 - 10:13

Are we supposed to substitute "No. 2 driver" for "duck" there Widow?

I think Mark's departure from the presser was probably more a general frustration thing, than being ignored. I read the transcript and he got asked several questions. I think it probably ties in more with Mark's "demoralised" comment. How long can a guy keep fighting against the tide? The timing of his mechanical issues must be sending him bonkers. He signs up with the team off the back of a couple of great victories and he's ahead of his much vaunted team-mate in the WDC, and bang here's a gearbox penalty...and here's another...and here's a differential failure...and here's an insane strategy or two and some terrible timing with a safety car...and here have your favourite chassis back now we need you getting between Alonso and the golden one...but we want you close, but not too close so be careful into the first corner...and here race your backside off but lose 0.5 of a second per lap for half the race with a KERs failure...and now the press just treat you like a lame duck, no. 2 driver even though earlier in the season you were beating your team-mate...

It's real tiring being a Webber fan. Even if there are no conspiracies going on it's hard not to think they might exist due to past issues and the remarkable timing of events. But he probably really does just have rotten luck.

Edited by goingthedistance, 29 October 2012 - 10:20.


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Posted 29 October 2012 - 11:32

Are we supposed to substitute "No. 2 driver" for "duck" there Widow?

I think Mark's departure from the presser was probably more a general frustration thing, than being ignored. I read the transcript and he got asked several questions. I think it probably ties in more with Mark's "demoralised" comment. How long can a guy keep fighting against the tide? The timing of his mechanical issues must be sending him bonkers. He signs up with the team off the back of a couple of great victories and he's ahead of his much vaunted team-mate in the WDC, and bang here's a gearbox penalty...and here's another...and here's a differential failure...and here's an insane strategy or two and some terrible timing with a safety car...and here have your favourite chassis back now we need you getting between Alonso and the golden one...but we want you close, but not too close so be careful into the first corner...and here race your backside off but lose 0.5 of a second per lap for half the race with a KERs failure...and now the press just treat you like a lame duck, no. 2 driver even though earlier in the season you were beating your team-mate...

It's real tiring being a Webber fan. Even if there are no conspiracies going on it's hard not to think they might exist due to past issues and the remarkable timing of events. But he probably really does just have rotten luck.


:up:



Thanks for the clarification on the press conference. The only info I had was that he'd walked out, not when it actually happened. He must be really upset :(

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 14:16

I thought his kers started playing up lap 20?

edit: according to autosport article he is quoted as saying lap 19 to 20 maybe earlier. Cant remember if his times went off drastically before that though.

still, he has wins this year and they are leading WCC, so yeah I think it's a bit harsh to say he doesn't deserve the seat.


apologies I had missed his post race comments re: Kers (I though it packed up much later in the race, a couple of laps before Alonso breezed past him)

From following the race I though he went through a classic blister cycle around lap 20 (tyres gone for 7-8 laps before recovering back)

Edited by engel, 29 October 2012 - 14:17.


#769 Jon83

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 14:25

I can understand some frustration at sitting in a press conference but being asked practically nothing (I have no idea if this was the case in this instance by the way)

You always see it at the pre race-weekend press conference. The back row is asked a few questions by Bon Constanduros at the start and then that is it.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 14:35

That´s just wrong. ALO might win the WDC this year, while Massa is currently 9th (he will most likely go up to 7th though). Webber isn´t anywhere near as bad as this. Last year he was awful, that´s right. But in 2012, 2010,2009 Webber was/is definetly closer to Vettel as Massa was/is to Alonso.

Regarding Webber/Massa, there is also the small matter that Webber is allowed to race. Even now at this stage for Petes sake. While I doubt that Massa is hardly even allowed to do so from race 1.
Okay, its not nearly as big a gap but its not far off considering.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 14:40

Regarding Webber/Massa, there is also the small matter that Webber is allowed to race. Even now at this stage for Petes sake. While I doubt that Massa is hardly even allowed to do so from race 1.
Okay, its not nearly as big a gap but its not far off considering.

can't understand how you could compare him to massa as he has outquallied and beaten vettel a few times. I would have no problem comparing him as button to hamilton but massa to alonso??? Okay then :stoned:

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 14:42

Okay, its not nearly as big a gap but its not far off considering.

and this just doesn't even make sense. :confused:

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 16:37

and this just doesn't even make sense. :confused:

Its not far off considering that Massa is Alonsos mule used to test parts for him and forced to move over in races. Webber gets equal treatment to Vettel and is still way off from his teammate. For 4 years in a row now.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 21:03

Speaking of 4 years in a row, if Webber beats Lewis in the pointscore this year, that will be the fourth year in a row that he's beaten Lewis in the WDC.

Whilst the general opinion of Webber's abilities varies greatly, it's a pretty fair achievement I'd say.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 21:45

Its not far off considering that Massa is Alonsos mule used to test parts for him and forced to move over in races. Webber gets equal treatment to Vettel and is still way off from his teammate. For 4 years in a row now.



I wouldn't say way off. It was good of Seb to assist Mark to help RBR to their first title in f1. If I remember correctly- Seb's points, when added to Mark's, clinched the WCC at Brazil in 2010.
Mark couldn't have have done it without Seb's contribution. :)

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Edited by mymemoryfails, 29 October 2012 - 21:46.


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Posted 30 October 2012 - 04:49

Its not far off considering that Massa is Alonsos mule used to test parts for him and forced to move over in races. Webber gets equal treatment to Vettel and is still way off from his teammate. For 4 years in a row now.


you gotta be kidding right? equal treatment? are you new to F1 or something?

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 09:17

you gotta be kidding right? equal treatment? are you new to F1 or something?

You cant just use some condescend-tactics to disagree. What in my post is wrong? Please elaborate.
Massa IS Alonsos test mule for new parts. He is told to move over in races. And Vettel HAS beaten Mark 4 years in a row now. By a large margin every year.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 09:26

You cant just use some condescend-tactics to disagree. What in my post is wrong? Please elaborate.
Massa IS Alonsos test mule for new parts. He is told to move over in races. And Vettel HAS beaten Mark 4 years in a row now. By a large margin every year.


last year wa sthe only year he beat him by a large margin.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 09:52

You cant just use some condescend-tactics to disagree. What in my post is wrong? Please elaborate.
Massa IS Alonsos test mule for new parts. He is told to move over in races. And Vettel HAS beaten Mark 4 years in a row now. By a large margin every year.

I was going to provide a detailed response, but after reviewing your previous posts, I realised it would be a waste of time.

As far as this season is concerned, have a look at the thread comparing qualifying performance. http://forums.autosp...a...t&p=5991361

Learn to read, learn about F1, or go somewhere your level of understanding is more appropriate.

(Preschool comes to mind...)

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#780 GotYoubyTheBalls

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 10:55

Webber definetly deserves his seat. Hes been part of the team that has delivered the WCC three years in a row. Hes not good enough to challenge Vettel over a season but can definetly beat Vettel on his specialist tracks over the season. His drives in Silverstone and Monaco this year were absolutely top class. and hes been a genuine title contender over the years.

He is by far the best co driver to the star driver in the top teams.

Massa has been abysmal for a couple of seasons.

Button has balance issues for half a season.

Red Bull has been topping the WCC all season even when their car was no where near the best. After Monza it looked like Mclaren would walk the championship yet RB was still on top in the WCC. They are the strongest pairing in F1. Thats why Mark Webber deserves his seat.



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Posted 30 October 2012 - 11:29

You cant just use some condescend-tactics to disagree. What in my post is wrong? Please elaborate.
Massa IS Alonsos test mule for new parts. He is told to move over in races. And Vettel HAS beaten Mark 4 years in a row now. By a large margin every year.

You have a point with massa being alonsos bitch but webber has not been beaten by a large margin every year, only last year. Every other year he has been competitive, hell one year came down to the last race and you are saying that is a big margin :confused:

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 12:27

Webber definetly deserves his seat. Hes been part of the team that has delivered the WCC three years in a row. Hes not good enough to challenge Vettel over a season but can definetly beat Vettel on his specialist tracks over the season. His drives in Silverstone and Monaco this year were absolutely top class. and hes been a genuine title contender over the years.

He is by far the best co driver to the star driver in the top teams.

Massa has been abysmal for a couple of seasons.

Button has balance issues for half a season.

Red Bull has been topping the WCC all season even when their car was no where near the best. After Monza it looked like Mclaren would walk the championship yet RB was still on top in the WCC. They are the strongest pairing in F1. Thats why Mark Webber deserves his seat.


I think this post sums it up very well.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 13:02

I was going to provide a detailed response, but after reviewing your previous posts, I realised it would be a waste of time.

As far as this season is concerned, have a look at the thread comparing qualifying performance. http://forums.autosp...a...t&p=5991361

Learn to read, learn about F1, or go somewhere your level of understanding is more appropriate.

(Preschool comes to mind...)

Preschool is for those that make snide little remarks instead of a proper response.

You have a point with massa being alonsos bitch but webber has not been beaten by a large margin every year, only last year. Every other year he has been competitive, hell one year came down to the last race and you are saying that is a big margin :confused:

Ok, granted. 2010 was not a large margin. But still beaten. However 09 and 11 was and this year it will be a large margin again. I am just puzzled. Which is why I am bringing this to the table. Judging from the pace Vettel had in India, I really think Mark should have been able to keep a safe margin to Alonso, even without KERS. And Seb probably even turned down the engine before half of the race was done.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 13:28

Preschool is for those that make snide little remarks instead of a proper response.


Ok, granted. 2010 was not a large margin. But still beaten. However 09 and 11 was and this year it will be a large margin again. I am just puzzled. Which is why I am bringing this to the table. Judging from the pace Vettel had in India, I really think Mark should have been able to keep a safe margin to Alonso, even without KERS. And Seb probably even turned down the engine before half of the race was done.

I have to disagree, without kers and alonsos excellent gearing and drs he didn't have a chance, but yes he was not as fast as vettel. It's funny though that he had no problem keeping the gap till the kers issue, so it is quite clear that kers cost him massively.

I generally am a fan of your posts so don't want to get into an argument with you about whether webber has been so terrible he doesn't deserve his seat as I don't think either of us will change each others minds! So will just have to agree to disagree with you on this one I suppose?

Edited by goldenboy, 30 October 2012 - 13:36.


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Posted 30 October 2012 - 13:35

Webber definetly deserves his seat. Hes been part of the team that has delivered the WCC three years in a row. Hes not good enough to challenge Vettel over a season but can definetly beat Vettel on his specialist tracks over the season. His drives in Silverstone and Monaco this year were absolutely top class. and hes been a genuine title contender over the years.

He is by far the best co driver to the star driver in the top teams.

Massa has been abysmal for a couple of seasons.

Button has balance issues for half a season.

Red Bull has been topping the WCC all season even when their car was no where near the best. After Monza it looked like Mclaren would walk the championship yet RB was still on top in the WCC. They are the strongest pairing in F1. Thats why Mark Webber deserves his seat.

:up:

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 13:44

Learn to read, learn about F1, or go somewhere your level of understanding is more appropriate.

(Preschool comes to mind...)


Even if I (or others) were to agree with you, the way in which you approach your point totally undermines any credibility you might have and weakens your argument considerably.

I'm reminded of Carl Sagan's 'Baloney Detection Kit' when I read that kind of post. Ad hominem such as you've just displayed makes everyone ignore your argument and really does make you look little and very childish.

I'd suggest perhaps throwing a couple of facts out there as part of an argument, it probably would have taken just as long, offered something concrete to the discussion and not made you look churlish. What a strange way to approach a discussion on a discussion forum!! :lol:



#787 superuser

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 13:59

Webber definetly deserves his seat. Hes been part of the team that has delivered the WCC three years in a row. Hes not good enough to challenge Vettel over a season but can definetly beat Vettel on his specialist tracks over the season. His drives in Silverstone and Monaco this year were absolutely top class. and hes been a genuine title contender over the years.

He is by far the best co driver to the star driver in the top teams.

Massa has been abysmal for a couple of seasons.

Button has balance issues for half a season.

Red Bull has been topping the WCC all season even when their car was no where near the best. After Monza it looked like Mclaren would walk the championship yet RB was still on top in the WCC. They are the strongest pairing in F1. Thats why Mark Webber deserves his seat.


+1

The only people that need to trash talk Webber are the rabid Vettel fans (why?! If Webber is not good, what it says about Vettel?) and the rabid Alonso/Hamilton fans (to support their theory that even Narain will win in Red Bull).

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 14:47

I have to disagree, without kers and alonsos excellent gearing and drs he didn't have a chance, but yes he was not as fast as vettel. It's funny though that he had no problem keeping the gap till the kers issue, so it is quite clear that kers cost him massively.

I generally am a fan of your posts so don't want to get into an argument with you about whether webber has been so terrible he doesn't deserve his seat as I don't think either of us will change each others minds! So will just have to agree to disagree with you on this one I suppose?

I can live with that.

There is always Abu Dhabi where he may do good. Or I will get more fuel..  ;)

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 15:01

+1

The only people that need to trash talk Webber are the rabid Vettel fans (why?! If Webber is not good, what it says about Vettel?)


You said it, this makes no sense. A person can feel the need to trash talk Webber and be a Vettel fan without those two correlating.

and the rabid Alonso/Hamilton fans (to support their theory that even Narain will win in Red Bull).


True.

Edited by choyothe, 30 October 2012 - 15:08.


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Posted 30 October 2012 - 16:43

I can live with that.

There is always Abu Dhabi where he may do good. Or I will get more fuel.. ;)

gaaah not that track.. maybe we can reconvene after brazil :lol:

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 23:07

Even if I (or others) were to agree with you, the way in which you approach your point totally undermines any credibility you might have and weakens your argument considerably.

I'm reminded of Carl Sagan's 'Baloney Detection Kit' when I read that kind of post. Ad hominem such as you've just displayed makes everyone ignore your argument and really does make you look little and very childish.

I'd suggest perhaps throwing a couple of facts out there as part of an argument, it probably would have taken just as long, offered something concrete to the discussion and not made you look churlish. What a strange way to approach a discussion on a discussion forum!! :lol:

I suggest you look at the portion of my post you omitted from your quote.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 17:27

LMAO- Mark is never one to mince words.

When a RedBull employee was proudly tweeting about getting behind the wheel of a Ferrari California, Mark tweeted:

"You should be hung. Sh!tbox soft tops for softc0cks"

:clap:

Edited by gm914, 01 November 2012 - 17:27.


#793 encircled

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 19:20

LMAO- Mark is never one to mince words.

When a RedBull employee was proudly tweeting about getting behind the wheel of a Ferrari California, Mark tweeted:

"You should be hung. Sh!tbox soft tops for softc0cks"

:clap:

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And that employee is his mechanic :rotfl:

#794 GreenMachine

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 23:22

So, did Mark have KERS and engine problems last Sunday? Horner's comments on the Autosport site seem to suggest this was the case.

I knew of the KERS issue, anyone have anything on any other problems he had during the race?

#795 goldenboy

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 23:25

So, did Mark have KERS and engine problems last Sunday? Horner's comments on the Autosport site seem to suggest this was the case.

I knew of the KERS issue, anyone have anything on any other problems he had during the race?

think it was not engine problems but the problems with braking/balance blah blah blah that come with kers not working.

#796 Ian G

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 23:34

Yeah,the only quote i read was that Mark had multiple problems,implying it wasn't only KERS,and the Team were delighted with his 3rd.There was also something going on with his front wing adjustment but this may be a KERS related balance problem as already stated.

#797 NotSoSilentBob

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 02:32

More problems.

You do get to a point when karne-like thoughts enter your head.

#798 BCM

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 03:44

Sounds like they just packed his car from India up and rolled it out at Abu Dhabi :lol:

It's leaking fluid from the KERS now.

I've never bought into the conspiracy theories about Mark's performance over the years, but even an objective observer has to question the number of KERS issues that have occurred to his car in the last few seasons. What is it that is causing all of these failures?

I'm struggling to think of Vettel having many KERS issues. When he has had mechanical problems they are generally of the terminal sort as opposed to Mark's issues which always seem to be performance sapping rather than a race ending event.

Just out of curiousity I spent a bit of time looking back over the last two years at Mark's issues. Here's the list of things that have gone wrong.

Melbourne 2011 - Chassis problems
Malaysia 2011 - KERS issues in the race
China 2011 - KERS failure during qualifying - Didn't get out of Q1
Monaco 2011 - Missed a practice session with gearbox replacement
European 2011 - Gearbox problems towards end of race
Canada 2011 - KERS issue during qualifying.
Hungary 2011 - DRS failure during qualifying. KERS issues as well but came back.
Italian 2011 - KERS issues during qualifying
Singapore 2011 - DRS issue during race
Japanese 2011 - Electrical problem during FP
Melbourne 2012 - KERS failure in Q3
Canada 2012 - Engine hesitation issues during race
European 2012 - DRS failure during qualifying - Didn't get out of Q1
German 2012 - 5 place grid penalty for gearbox change
Hungarian 2012 - Failed differential during race
Belgian 2012 - 5 place grid penalty for gearbox change
India 2012 - KERS problems in the race

That's issues in 17 out of 36 events. Of the 17 problems 8 of them affected his qualifying position. Given that the vast majority of winners come from the first or second row of the grid that's a pretty significant problem.

Edit:

Vettel's issues in the same time frame.

2011 Malaysian - KERS issue second half of the race. Brake problems in last few laps.
2011 China - KERS issues during race.
2011 Spain - KERS issues during quali.
2011 British - KERS problems at some point.
2011 German - brake problems during the race
2011 Hungarian - brake problems during the race
2012 Brazil - Gearbox problems during race
2012 European - Alternator failure during the race
2012 Italian - Alternator failure during the race. Edit: Alternator failure during practice.

9 issues in 36 races. One issue affecting Seb's qualifying position.

There may be a few I've missed here and there for each driver, but it certainly looks as though Webber has had the rougher end of the stick reliability wise. Vettel has had more KERS issues than I thought though.

Edited by BCM, 03 November 2012 - 10:33.


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Posted 03 November 2012 - 09:41

I'm starting to think webbers side of the garage are a bit useless! :stoned:

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#800 LiJu914

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 09:49

Sounds like they just packed his car from India up and rolled it out at Abu Dhabi :lol:

It's leaking fluid from the KERS now.

I've never bought into the conspiracy theories about Mark's performance over the years, but even an objective observer has to question the number of KERS issues that have occurred to his car in the last few seasons. What is it that is causing all of these failures?

I'm struggling to think of Vettel having many KERS issues. When he has had mechanical problems they are generally of the terminal sort as opposed to Mark's issues which always seem to be performance sapping rather than a race ending event.

Just out of curiousity I spent a bit of time looking back over the last two years at Mark's issues. Here's the list of things that have gone wrong.

[...]

That's issues in 16 out of 36 events or just under 45%. Of the 16 problems seven of them affected his qualifying position. Given that the vast majority of winners come from the first or second row of the grid that's a pretty significant problem.

Edit:

Vettel's issues in the same time frame.

[...]

8 issues in 36 races. One issue affecting Seb's qualifying position.

There may be a few I've missed here and there for each driver, but it certainly looks as though Webber has had the rougher end of the stick reliability wise. Vettel has had more KERS issues than I thought though.


I think, India is a good example that Webber´s neverending KERS-Story isn´t a result of the team deliberately sabotaging him (as they would´ve shot themselves in their own feet with that...).

Ps.
You missed some of SV´s technical problems, but that´s not really important.