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Mercedes-AMG 2012 W03 - Part II


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#601 Pits

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:15

It doesn't look to great today for Merc...
I hope they are sandbagging a little lot...

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#602 Sof1

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 12:40

Ros pretty bad in wet!

#603 Starish

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 13:11

The car is good, no fundamental problems is a step up, it just needs more downforce.. they are on a good track.

Edited by Starish, 21 July 2012 - 13:17.


#604 RedBaron

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 13:11

That was a strange Q1 and Q2, how do you suddenly have no pace then pace, and visa versa?

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 13:16

0.5-0.7 off Grosjean's long run pace.

And more than 1 sec off Kimi pace.


#606 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 13:18

Ros pretty bad in wet!

no, i think he f*** up the laps while the track was good enough. he is good in the wet, or at least not THAT bad

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 13:20

no, i think he f*** up the laps while the track was good enough. he is good in the wet, or at least not THAT bad

The same thing happened in Silverstone. When in wet he is prone to making mistakes, not so confident.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 13:41

The same thing happened in Silverstone. When in wet he is prone to making mistakes, not so confident.


That does not take away from the fact that the stupid strategist made us the last team to go out in Q2 ...

A. Vowels "Duh .. i wonder what tyre to use for Q2??" ...... as the Williams and Mclarens peel off on inters and everyone else follows..... :rolleyes:

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 14:04

That does not take away from the fact that the stupid strategist made us the last team to go out in Q2 ...

A. Vowels "Duh .. i wonder what tyre to use for Q2??" ...... as the Williams and Mclarens peel off on inters and everyone else follows..... :rolleyes:

That guy should be fired in 2010. When you have C. Dyer free. Take him.

Edited by ivand911, 21 July 2012 - 14:05.


#610 Diablobb81

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 14:08

They are hardly making the right decisions :

last quali -Michael should have been put on inters earlier in Q3
this time - Michael on mediums in Q1; last cars to go out in Q2, didn't help Nico; should have pitted for new wets in Q3

#611 BetaVersion

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 18:30

Check out this video:


At 1:30, it portrays exactly what happened in Valencia and Silverstone and that is what gonna happen, imo, also in Germany if the race is held on dry conditions



#612 Kingshark

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 19:00

Wow, why all this negativity? I thought the car was pretty good in the dry conditions in Q1. :up:

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 19:30

Wow, why all this negativity? I thought the car was pretty good in the dry conditions in Q1. :up:


Look at the FP longrun pace. Nothing more to say..

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 07:30

That guy should be fired in 2010. When you have C. Dyer free. Take him.

Well, one more thing to add really. Schumacher had a technical problem in Q1. I blame the strategist as well, if you only have one timed lap to get things right, you simply do NOT use the medium compound and take another silly risk. Schumachers 'off the pace' laptime was a bit obscured by the problem (it's vague whether it had been cured when he was on track or not) but I couldn't believe my eyes when I read that.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 07:43

Well, one more thing to add really. Schumacher had a technical problem in Q1. I blame the strategist as well, if you only have one timed lap to get things right, you simply do NOT use the medium compound and take another silly risk. Schumachers 'off the pace' laptime was a bit obscured by the problem (it's vague whether it had been cured when he was on track or not) but I couldn't believe my eyes when I read that.


What problem?

#616 Kingshark

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 07:50

I don't think we'll be anywhere near as bad as Silverstone as Hockenheim doesn't have a lot of fast corners. I think the performance of the car (comparative to the rest of the field) will be equal to that in Canada. Not the fastest, but not bad either.

#617 Jejking

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 09:01

What problem?

I don't know, I wasn't linked to an article but it was mentioned on Twitter by, I think it was @Jaf1tweets.

#618 FlashMaster

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 09:13

With Rosberg to start from 20+ and Merc's bad long run pace, I think Merc's management body will decide to quit F1.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 09:57

17°C | °F
Mostly Sunny
Scattered Clouds
Wind: N at 8 km/h
Humidity: 52%

With the circuit being dependent on traction and the temperatures being cold and humid, this is Mercedes' ideal element. If we can't perform here then the season is officially lost.

With Rosberg to start from 20+ and Merc's bad long run pace, I think Merc's management body will decide to quit F1.

Nah, I doubt it. Rosberg's victory really ended all doubt of Mercedes quitting F1 earlier this season for as far as 2012 and 2013 were concerned. I firmly believe that they'll be on the grid next year, but if they don't perform then, than I could see them quit.

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#620 Atonal

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 10:03

I don't know, I wasn't linked to an article but it was mentioned on Twitter by, I think it was @Jaf1tweets.


Well I just heard Schumacher talking to the BBC yesterday after qualifying and he said that they had to overcome a technical problem which plagued him in Q1. He said they were able to overcome it and fix it for Q2. He didn't go into any specific details, just said something along the lines of that the car was not doing what it was supposed to do. As already speculated there might have been some overlooked problems from the crash in practice on Friday which acted up or there might be something else.

#621 Sof1

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 10:06

Well I just heard Schumacher talking to the BBC yesterday after qualifying and he said that they had to overcome a technical problem which plagued him in Q1. He said they were able to overcome it and fix it for Q2. He didn't go into any specific details, just said something along the lines of that the car was not doing what it was supposed to do. As already speculated there might have been some overlooked problems from the crash in practice on Friday which acted up or there might be something else.



Then this might be why he was released late into Q2. They were working on the car problems. Hopefully they were completely solved.

Edited by Sof1, 22 July 2012 - 10:06.


#622 RedBaron

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 11:38

Come on Mercedes! Let's give Schumacher a corker and get Rosberg out of trouble.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 11:44

I'm worried about their race pace, I think Michael will slip back.

I doubt we can have a podium but I hope for an incident free race and good points.



#624 Sof1

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 12:19

Race pace is crap.

#625 Longtimefan

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 12:34

What a dog this car is. We'll be lucky to get a point for Michael at this rate.

:(



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Posted 22 July 2012 - 13:12

Why did Rosberg pit, 3rd pit already!

#627 FlashMaster

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 13:14

P5, decent pace... and NOW they just told him he has to save fuel. Goodbye Top5.

What a team :rotfl:

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 13:18

Peres on Mediums and still faster than MSC. Tells you about the Merc pace!

EDIT: OK, fastest laps now coming up, ma bad!

Edited by Sof1, 22 July 2012 - 13:20.


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Posted 22 July 2012 - 13:35

God, this car is awful.

#630 Massa_f1

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 13:36

Well done to Sauber. Quicker than Mercedes today. Mercedes is finished for this season as far as i am concerned.

#631 FlashMaster

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 13:37

Great car.

#632 Longtimefan

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 13:37

Sick of this piss poor team.

Michael would be better off at almost any other team. Total joke Merc are. :(


#633 Sof1

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 13:37

Disappointing again! :(

#634 RedBaron

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 13:38

Damn, so much promise when they booted on those softs... but the degradation was dismal, he could only match the Saubers towards the end.

Still good point for Rosberg from 20th, 7th the best Schumacher could manage Saubers really really showed Mercedes the way after 67 laps.

Edited by RedBaron, 22 July 2012 - 13:38.


#635 sharo

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 13:38

One car slid back, the other crawled up to the real place they are ATM. No matter who the driver is.

#636 baddog

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 13:40

Egads.

#637 Massa_f1

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 13:41

I am not surprised though. I don't know what goes on at the Mercedes factory, but it certainly aint called progress.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 13:41

not much left of China\Monaco performance. Without the last two brilliant qualifyings of Michael they would struggle to get into serious points.

Edited by Urawa, 22 July 2012 - 13:47.


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Posted 22 July 2012 - 13:42

Car is just an irritatingly slow tyre muncher. :(

Edited by PoliFanAthic, 22 July 2012 - 13:42.


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Posted 22 July 2012 - 13:48

I think these guys put the car in factory and all go home. On Tuesday they go in factory put car in the truck and they go to the next race.
Big step back from last year.

Edited by ivand911, 22 July 2012 - 14:16.


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Posted 22 July 2012 - 13:54

At least they got fastest lap! LOL

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 13:55

We might show better in Hungary if we don't destiny tyres. I wasn't too disappointed with the race just that we were beaten by both Saubers, easily.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 13:57

We might show better in Hungary if we don't destiny tyres. I wasn't too disappointed with the race just that we were beaten by both Saubers, easily.



A Factory Mercedes team should not be getting beat by a Sauber. I wish Schumacher was in the 2nd Ferrari. Least he might stand a chance to win a few races.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 13:58

Only wet can help from now on. The rest is torture.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 13:59

A Factory Mercedes team should not be getting beat by a Sauber. I wish Schumacher was in the 2nd Ferrari. Least he might stand a chance to win a few races.

I think he should focus on that(to take second Ferrari seat for next year). Will be a big thing for Ferrari. MS and Alonso in one team. Mercedes is dead horse as I said before. Even Ross is not the same anymore.

Edited by ivand911, 22 July 2012 - 14:02.


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Posted 22 July 2012 - 14:10

As stated yesterday, the maximum we could hope for was point scoring positions for both drivers.
In that respect the drivers delivered what the car was capable of so good job by both Michael and Nico.

3 stops is quite excessive and pretty much shows that the car is deeply limited by the tyres and that no performance improvement is being delivered in this respect. We can speculate that perhaps Brawn's insistence on learning the tyres is just helping the team maintain the gap upfront and otherwise they might have slipped even further down! Perhaps keeping Michael on the mediums till the very end and avoiding a further stop might have been a better option. He could have lost a place to the Sauber but he might have persevered in 6th. The switch to softs for Rosberg was perhaps right as a last push from him into the points was more feasible.

I also get the feeling, although I might be completely wrong, that both drivers get an inordinate amount of team messages asking to lift, save fuel, look after tyres and generally adopting a conservative approach as compared to other teams. I think this might be having an adverse effect on the drivers' ability to drive at the available limit of the car as they might be getting over cautious and very tentative in order to avoid making themselves look like fools if the tyres simply fall from under them. There seems to be a lingering whisper concerning tyres at Mercedes and I think the team/drivers might be overcompensating and under performing as a result.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 14:15

Sky Germany:

Nico said they got a new aero chief but no name was mentioned (have I missed something?)
He also stated they fell back in the development race and are in a bad period at the moment and the upgrades are coming later in comparison to other teams.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 14:20

I also get the feeling, although I might be completely wrong, that both drivers get an inordinate amount of team messages asking to lift, save fuel, look after tyres and generally adopting a conservative approach as compared to other teams. I think this might be having an adverse effect on the drivers' ability to drive at the available limit of the car as they might be getting over cautious and very tentative in order to avoid making themselves look like fools if the tyres simply fall from under them. There seems to be a lingering whisper concerning tyres at Mercedes and I think the team/drivers might be overcompensating and under performing as a result.

No other drivers received so much messages to lift or safe fuel. Team is a joke. First we a learning tyres, now we are behind with updates. Jokers.
Team was lucky to have second McL, RBR ,Ferrari and Lotus on a bad day.

Edited by ivand911, 22 July 2012 - 14:22.


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Posted 22 July 2012 - 14:20

I think he should focus on that(to take second Ferrari seat for next year). Will be a big thing for Ferrari. MS and Alonso in one team. Mercedes is dead horse as I said before. Even Ross is not the same anymore.

I'm really starting to wonder about an interview from Herbert with Schumacher I spotted this morning, really recent. I watched it on my phone, i'll try to retrieve it in a moment. But the weird thing that Schumacher really says: i'm not trying to put oil on the fire. Too late, with that he got the pot boiling. I think a move to another team is in the making.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 14:21

I think that Mercedes along with BMW do make most likely best road car in the world without much competition, but in here, boys and girls, I think we are done for 2012 and all practical purposes. I might be shortsighted, and I wish I would, but I do not see that light end of tunnel. This makes me worrisom, and whilst some might be talking about more time is needed, opposition at home might ride the wave, I fear.

Edited by Sakae, 22 July 2012 - 14:22.