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Mercedes-AMG 2012 W03 - Part II


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#1301 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:08

After FP3, Merc looks like $hit!

Very disappointing.


Schumacher said they wouldn't be too competitive and wasn't expecting anything great for Spa.

His 300th GP is just a formality, I think he is more excited by the events surrounding the race rather than the race itself.

Both must be losing faith in the team, I'm not even holding out much hope for Monza either unfortunately.


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#1302 anbeck

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:26

Bad day for Nacho!

#1303 Sakae

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:29

I wonder of they are going to make it into Q3.

#1304 FlashMaster

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:51

Nothing has changed. This car is still a sh*tbox :o

#1305 anbeck

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 11:46

One part in me would like to see Schumacher continue to race. But the part that wants to see him quit this abysmal team is growing stronger every week-end.

He would look better in a Sauber....

#1306 Sof1

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:11

Looks like they might not even make Q1 lol. I hate this!

#1307 spacekid

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:15

I wonder of they are going to make it into Q3.


You mean Q2 :well:

#1308 DutchCruijff

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:19

Guys, I think we're in for a real treat this weekend...

#1309 Diablobb81

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:20

Great car, great strategy.

#1310 ivand911

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:21

W03 is only faster than the new teams. Even STR is better now.

#1311 RedBaron

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:21

Ok, that is bad for Rosberg then 18th +5



#1312 KiloWatt

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:21

Guys, I think we're in for a real treat this weekend...


Ugh, **** me.

#1313 Bleu

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:23

Didn't Mercedes do the same mistake with Schumacher earlier this season?


#1314 Diablobb81

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:23

Yeah, they did. But don't expect them to learn anything. They were to busy designing a monkey seat.

Edited by Diablobb81, 01 September 2012 - 12:23.


#1315 FlashMaster

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:23

King Ross Brawn :rolleyes:

#1316 GoRacing

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:24

It appears that Mercedes has to start last at Spa, it was MS last year :-) MS definitely out in Q2.

#1317 Sof1

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:24

This is bullshit, where they that confident, he should have been going for another lap regardless of what time was being scored by Riccardo! Heck, Rosberg has a lot of tyres left, no need to save!

This is stupid.

#1318 Massa_f1

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:25

I doubt we will see a Merc in the top 10, and to be perfectly honest they dont deserve it. Even new teams have major upgrades. Merc never bring anything. Backwards they go.

#1319 Sakae

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:28

Q1 result of today is not very supportive of "we are getting better", regardless how you slice it.

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#1320 ivand911

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:33

Q1 result of today is not very supportive of "we are getting better", regardless how you slice it.

It support very well the rumors for team pulling out. The best move by Mercedes. If MS want to stay in F1 there is other options.

Edited by ivand911, 01 September 2012 - 12:33.


#1321 Igorr

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:39

how can they be so slow on this track with the long straights compared to the other teams?

#1322 Longtimefan

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:44

What a Shitbox this car is, Disgusted, I waited 5 weeks for this.. Goddammit :(



#1323 Sof1

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:44

Great lap from Michael, but the car is a dog. What can he do? He improved more than half a second on his last time, no more can be done!

#1324 Massa_f1

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:45

how can they be so slow on this track with the long straights compared to the other teams?


Because they are crap. Sorry but it is the true

#1325 Diablobb81

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:46

I'm not even disappointed since i expected it. Michael did all he could.

Just burn this car.

#1326 GoRacing

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:46

Great lap from Michael, but the car is a dog. What can he do? He improved more than half a second on his last time, no more can be done!


Agreed, he did everything he could, car is so far off the pace. I do not want him to continue with Mercedes. Hopeless team. They do not understand what "developing the car" means.

#1327 Longtimefan

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:46

Merc should pull the plug, this is making them a laughing stock.



#1328 FlashMaster

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:47

What to expect from BAR/Honda... yeah right.

#1329 RedBaron

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:47

That was disappointing. 13th from Schumacher, the car is slow. Will we see tyre problems tomorrow? I hope not... otherwise we've gained nothing over the past months.

#1330 ivand911

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:47

Ferrari, Sauber, Williams for next season. MS can do much better than Massa.

#1331 Sakae

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:47

It looks like that rumours about the car being slow in fast turns could be not too far from the truth. Race is shaping up as a painful event.

#1332 Sakae

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:49

It support very well the rumors for team pulling out. The best move by Mercedes.

I hope not.

#1333 Sof1

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:50

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MSC, "Sorry guys, there's not more in it"

Exactly. Thats all the car can give!! Well said Schumi!

#1334 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:53

At least Schumacher is around another $100,000,000 better off since the start of 2010. Maybe all that cash will help soften the blow of being associated with such levels of sh*te.


Nico - you need to bail too.

#1335 iakhtar

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:55

still got half a season left for the car to get even crapper...

#1336 Massa_f1

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 13:01

still got half a season left for the car to get even crapper...



and it will!

I only feel for the drivers. Not the team. The team always say we are not good enough. Yet they do nothing to improve the situation. They will end the year with one of the slowest cars on the grid. If they aren't already.

#1337 FlashMaster

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 13:03

It support very well the rumors for team pulling out. The best move by Mercedes. If MS want to stay in F1 there is other options.


Hopefully! Such a shame for this great brand.


#1338 ivand911

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 13:04

I told you long time ago - Sauber and Williams. Great cars and teams. I hope they have race pace too. To cheer for them.
MGP is killing my joy for F1.

Edited by ivand911, 01 September 2012 - 13:06.


#1339 anbeck

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 13:10

That is really pathetic.

I cannot see how any driver other than Sutil other those from the backmarker teams will want to race for that team next year.


The double DRS will make Merc look good at Spa, they said....
The engine will make Merc look good at Spa, they said.....

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#1340 carbonfibre

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 13:13

Mercedes needs to decide what to do.

Either throw a massive amount of money into it and actually make the car and the team better or just pull out and just focus on making engines.

#1341 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 13:16

As far as it's worth, Schumacher did say updates were coming. Although much belated, clearly.

#1342 BetaVersion

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 13:23

Just a modest prediction for Mercedes performance overall in the weekend:

better than Toro Rosso and new teams, obviously, and that's it. I easily see everybody else being faster in Spa.

total opposite from me, I expect them to be pretty good, top 5 in qualifying.


I was completely right :p :| ):


Mercedes best driver was only ahead of both Toro Rossos. Everyother team had, at least, one car faster.

This team is an utter joke

#1343 Urawa

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 13:46

everything as expected. They got slaughtered in the first and mid sector.

Edited by Urawa, 01 September 2012 - 13:47.


#1344 topical

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 13:56

Watching Mercedes "progress" has been one of the most amusing parts of this year. MS and NR need to understand that if they want to win a WDC they need to get with a better team.

#1345 rog

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 14:21

A place better than Massa and a very good lap from MS I think but still 13th place :rotfl:


Apart from Monza they are lost this year. Spa has long straights in sector 1 and 3, it's not the worst track for them. In dry conditions Monza could be their last chance for a better result. To be honest, with basically zero updates we cannot expect more. This is really pathetic.

#1346 george1981

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 14:29

still got half a season left for the car to get even crapper...


In 2010 and 2011 they stopped developing the car mid season but the results seemed to either stay the same or pick up, in 2010 especially. That was put down the team getting better at setting the car up.
I think fundamentally the car isn't that bad, but they've taken a wrong turn with the DDRS and are struggling with set up. IF after Monza they ditch the double DRS and then spend their practice time setting the car up they might be able to get better results.

#1347 Tardis40

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 14:34

I don't think is was the car as much as it was the new helmet. The new helmet looked good on paper, but the red helmet is a good second faster.

#1348 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 14:44

They should close those DDRS holes up with some putty or something. That's what they do at Kwik Fit.


Job's a gun 'un guvnor!

Hell...it might even work.

#1349 Pizdek

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 15:30

What a result...

Its hard, it hard even for me. I m giving up... Totally bad car, flashes at some moments but in general from W01 till this years car is a mess. Big mess. :down: :down:

#1350 Pizdek

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 15:48

I dont want Mercedes pull the plug and not race anymore. They are my favorite car maker and I want them succeed, but there has to be some major chances because we cant be satisfied with being 4th or 5th team on the grid... Its bad PR for company and they are lieing all the time they are going better and it clear they dont. How can those 5 masterminds cant work something out of this slow car?! They cant purchase anymore tehnical personel so that cant be excuse anymore... This W03 is Bob Bell s car and I cant see how this one has desises like previous two cars... where is top speed today?? Jezz, what to expect tommorow when they start with full tanks and car start chewing tyres??! I can imagine...