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Mercedes-AMG 2012 W03 - Part II


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#1501 Szoelloe

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 19:05

If Lewis signs relatively soon, do you all think Merc will begin developing next years car with him in mind?


What do you mean? a special hand-grip on the steering wheel, with a fingerprint scanner? Or installed AI to help LH compute adequate responses to go proactive with with his future race engineer at last? If LH has a virtue as race driver, than it def is the ability to drive a wheelbarrow very close to F1 car standards. Engineers usually don't give a flying fxxx about the driver when they design a racing car. If they would, than EBD would never have happened. Also, I hardly think LH has the ability to give the type of input to an engineering team that actually has an impact on the end result of a design. If a driver like that exists at all, there are only a few on the grid, and only a few on a 30 year time-scale.


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#1502 ivand911

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 19:10

I think in Singapore we will see W04(covered as W03B) . This is why they stop developing since Monaco.

#1503 SR388

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 19:18

What do you mean? a special hand-grip on the steering wheel, with a fingerprint scanner? Or installed AI to help LH compute adequate responses to go proactive with with his future race engineer at last? If LH has a virtue as race driver, than it def is the ability to drive a wheelbarrow very close to F1 car standards. Engineers usually don't give a flying fxxx about the driver when they design a racing car. If they would, than EBD would never have happened. Also, I hardly think LH has the ability to give the type of input to an engineering team that actually has an impact on the end result of a design. If a driver like that exists at all, there are only a few on the grid, and only a few on a 30 year time-scale.



Wow, BS.


Schumi stated some of his initial struggles at Merc, was because the car wasn't developed to his liking. The engineers can design a car using a significant amount of the input of the drive.

#1504 Szoelloe

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 19:25

Wow, BS.


Schumi stated some of his initial struggles at Merc, was because the car wasn't developed to his liking. The engineers can design a car using a significant amount of the input of the drive.


Yeah, well, he is one of the few. Plus, his initial struggles were down to the EBD. His struggles were shared by half of the grid by the way. So if his struggles are gone(it seems they are), it is not down to his input. Returned BS on a weak serve.

Edited by Szoelloe, 06 September 2012 - 19:26.


#1505 Tenmantaylor

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 19:31

Surely, surely with the double DRS Mercedes should have a good weekend at Monza? Monza isn't known as a tyre eater so shouldn't be too big a disadvantage for the W03.

#1506 Szoelloe

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 19:41

Surely, surely with the double DRS Mercedes should have a good weekend at Monza? Monza isn't known as a tyre eater so shouldn't be too big a disadvantage for the W03.


'Surely' is a word that is not part of this year's F1 vocabulary. DDRS is only useful in qualy. From there, race pace rules. Still, Monza should suit the Merc, true. How many times have we been left out in the cold on tracks that should suit the W03?


#1507 black magic

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 23:03

relax - merc strategist will screw it up. maybe 1 stop again - especially given our good tyre wear

I would expect little difference to spa with the possiblity that 4 faster cars will not be removed at the first corner.

#1508 Sof1

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 08:22

NO upgrades for this race? Anyone heard/seen anything new?

#1509 ivand911

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 08:43

FW Cascades returned for Monza?? How that happen. Strange.

#1510 Augurk

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 08:58

FW Cascades returned for Monza?? How that happen. Strange.

Why don't they bring grandaddy back!?

#1511 Massa_f1

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 09:25

Looking ok this weekend so far. Fingers crossed!

#1512 Sof1

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 09:36

Looking ok this weekend so far. Fingers crossed!

Let's not jinx it! LOL

#1513 Massa

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 09:42

Schumacher said his rear tyres are dead

#1514 RedBaron

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 09:53

Schumacher said his rear tyres are dead



I'd worry more about that if this was FP3. They have time to ease the wear and the track to rubber in, it's only the first few laps on day 1 right now.

#1515 Massa

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 09:59

Yes, i'm agree with you.

I would love to see Schumacher on podium.

#1516 Pits

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 10:03

I would love to see Schumacher get pole here! :smoking:


#1517 Sakae

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:21

Michael was on fire this morning.

#1518 Goron3

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:23

Michael was on fire this morning.


Yeah he's been mighty this season. Slightly worried about the gearbox though given how bad reliability has been for him this year :(

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:39

I am dreaming pole postion, race win, tifosis going crazy and an announcement he will add one year driving a ferrari car :D

Edited by 1Devil1, 07 September 2012 - 11:39.


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#1520 Massa_f1

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:43

Yeah he's been mighty this season. Slightly worried about the gearbox though given how bad reliability has been for him this year :(



Pole down 6th again..... ???

#1521 Goron3

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:46

Pole down 6th again..... ???


I would prefer that to him getting pole and having to retire/nurse the car again :'(

#1522 Goron3

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:47

Pole down 6th again..... ???


I would prefer that to him getting pole and having to retire/nurse the car again :'(

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:26

I am dreaming pole postion, race win, tifosis going crazy and an announcement he will add one year driving a ferrari car :D

I think it's quite likely he gets a pole and then retires with gearbox or DRS failure. :( Only the news of him driving for Ferrari next season could make me forget that.

#1524 sharo

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:30

Well, the DRS failed already ...

#1525 ivand911

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:32

Nico has DRS air reattaching problem.

Edited by ivand911, 07 September 2012 - 12:32.


#1526 sharo

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:33

Nico has DRS air reattaching problem.

Flow with small wing preventing it to close?

#1527 rog

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:33

And Schumachers DRS failed completely.

#1528 ivand911

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:35

Flow with small wing preventing it to close?

F1PitRadio ‏@F1PitRadio
Rosberg experiencing same DRS failure as in FP1. Flap does not reset as quickly as it should


Edited by ivand911, 07 September 2012 - 12:47.


#1529 Sof1

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 13:10

Merc seems to be doing good times on long runs. Hope!!!!

#1530 ivand911

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 13:36

Both drivers 1:25.4 with hard tyres.

#1531 Longtimefan

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 13:56

I'm worried about Schumis race gearbox. I really hope it holds out for the entire race.

*fingers crossed*

#1532 ivand911

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 14:09

I'm worried about Schumis race gearbox. I really hope it holds out for the entire race.

*fingers crossed*

Depend for how many races he need that gearbox.


#1533 Sakae

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 14:16

I am not sure of you have seen this...


Todt believes that fears that Mercedes could leave the sport have now been eased, with its team principal Ross Brawn also saying at Monza that he expected a deal to commit the German car manufacturer to F1 to now be imminent.

When asked about the possibility of Mercedes quitting, Todt said: "I don't think so. But we must do everything to keep it. Besides, it's just at the beginnings with being a global constructor."


http://uk.eurosport....-094205525.html


#1534 ali.unal

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 14:20

After all, not a disappointing practice session. Long run pace of both Mercs is very competitive.

#1535 Sakae

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 14:45

As long as we are marching forward on an upward trend, I am satisfied. The team needs to hear good news regarding next year, then regroup, reconcile, and move on!

#1536 UPRC

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 15:27

DRS issues aside, this is a promising start to the weekend for sure. Hopefully Michael and Nico can qualify well.

Edited by UPRC, 07 September 2012 - 15:27.


#1537 Tardis40

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 15:31

Don't worry, no matter how good the car is, the pit wall will devise a way to screw up the race.


#1538 finignig

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 16:54

Don't worry, no matter how good the car is, the pit wall will devise a way to screw up the race.


Sadly, thats the only thing they've been consistent at this season. You're more than likely right :(

#1539 Sakae

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 17:13

ESPN

...It is a situation that has been ongoing since March, yet Brawn maintains a deal is close and they will be in F1 through to the end of 2020 at least...



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Posted 07 September 2012 - 19:44

Don't worry, no matter how good the car is, the pit wall will devise a way to screw up the race.


Yup, the Honda-boys will always find a way to destroy Michael's race.

#1541 Schumacher7

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 19:58

:rotfl: At everyone in this thread trying to keep their hopes down while secretly inside they're thinking "This could be the one."

#1542 Seanspeed

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 20:16

I am dreaming pole postion, race win, tifosis going crazy and an announcement he will add one year driving a ferrari car :D

Why would the tifosi go crazy over a Mercedes winning the race?

#1543 Schumacher7

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 20:19

Why would the tifosi go crazy over a Mercedes winning the race?

They still love Schumacher, I reckon if they had to choose a driver other than a Ferrari to win then they'd pick Schumi.

#1544 1Devil1

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 20:28

Why would the tifosi go crazy over a Mercedes winning the race?


You know he won fifth titles at ferrari. in can be the case he has some friends in italy :lol:

#1545 Seanspeed

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 20:29

They still love Schumacher, I reckon if they had to choose a driver other than a Ferrari to win then they'd pick Schumi.

With the championship like it is, that'd probably be ideal for me, too, but I definitely wont be going crazy over it. I was never a Schumacher fan, though.

#1546 anbeck

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 20:35

About the issue that has been mentioned earlier: concentrating on developing next year's car. There's no sense in doing that until they haven't found the reasons why this year's car doesn't work. Brawn's comments seem as if they have no clue, and there's no use in trying to remedy the problem's until you've understood them.

#1547 schumimercamg

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 21:10

:rotfl: At everyone in this thread trying to keep their hopes down while secretly inside they're thinking "This could be the one."


:lol:


#1548 George Costanza

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 22:39

They still love Schumacher, I reckon if they had to choose a driver other than a Ferrari to win then they'd pick Schumi.



Or Jean Alesi....

Alesi is still loved by Ferrari and Tifosi.

Alesi is probably one of the most beloved drivers from the tifosi.

Edited by George Costanza, 07 September 2012 - 22:40.


#1549 Schumacher7

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 22:48

Or Jean Alesi....

Alesi is still loved by Ferrari and Tifosi.

Alesi is probably one of the most beloved drivers from the tifosi.

Yeah, um...Jean Alesi isn't actually racing this weekend, not in a Formula 1 car anyway.

#1550 Sakae

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 06:55

Good question is how many fans would move in because of Hamilton, and how many out and drop this team, because of Hamilton. I went actually through this with BMW (have very, very soft spot for the automaker), and moved away from the team because of dislike one of their former drivers. In fact I sold my car then because of that in protest. I am also fan of Vettel, like this team, but Hamilton's presence would be difficult to accept.

Can't imagine mess I would find myself with any other conceivable combinations like Seb at RB (with a team I am not very found off), Michael back at Ferrari and I am rooting for him as well, and Mercedes, my second love, making the very best cars once again. Decisions, decisions...