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Mercedes-AMG 2012 W03 - Part II


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#2501 David1976

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:37

I think that Merc were on the back foot in 2010/2011 as when they took over Brawn an awful lot of personnel had already been let go.

Recruitment takes time. I know. I am a headhunter.

Even with the right people in place it takes quite a lot of clever management and time before they all work effectively. Mercedes have been increasing their staff year on year with 2012 being the most important arguably with 3 well respected top-line Managers (Costa, Willis and Bell). They may not have had enough time yet to generate significant success, but I would expect an improvement for 2013.

Interesting to note is that the 3 recruits I have mentioned have been largely very quiet as afar as the press is concerned. That bodes well as they will likely have been flat out adding value to next years Merc.

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#2502 korzeniow

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:53

Bob Bell was poached already in 2010

#2503 David1976

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:57

Bob Bell was poached already in 2010


WRONG.

April 2011 was when Bob Bell started at Merc, so too late to contribute in a big way to 2012.

Geoff Willis started in October 2011.

Aldo Costa started at the end of September 2011.

#2504 korzeniow

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 10:02

yes, but he left Renault in 2010

in F1 there is waiting time between jobs when you are changing the teams

#2505 David1976

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 10:05

yes, but he left Renault in 2010

in F1 there is waiting time between jobs when you are changing the teams



You are clearly missing my point. If these key recruits were not effectively working until mid/late 2011 at Merc they had little time to contribute to the design of the 2012 car.

#2506 encircled

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:31

You guys think the colder conditions would help Merc this weekend?

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#2507 Shiroo

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:33

You guys think the colder conditions would help Merc this weekend?

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nothing can help this POS. Unless RBR, Lotus, McLaren, Ferrari, Williams, Sauber, Force India will go full retard .

#2508 Longtimefan

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:36

We only have to suffer two more dreadful weekends from this pathetic team.

We'll be free of pain come Brazil, chin up lads and lasses!



#2509 encircled

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:38

Guess not from the first two responses.

#2510 Timstr11

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:41

We only have to suffer two more dreadful weekends from this pathetic team.

We'll be free of pain come Brazil, chin up lads and lasses!

Speak for yourself. Not the whole world cheers for MS.

#2511 moorsey

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 14:22

Speak for yourself. Not the whole world cheers for MS.


Indeed. :up:


#2512 encircled

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 15:17

Track looks really slippery, maybe just what Merc needs :D

#2513 ivand911

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 15:40

Speak for yourself. Not the whole world cheers for MS.

Yeah, only 50% of the world. :wave:

#2514 Timstr11

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 16:41

New DRS actuator

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#2515 korzeniow

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 16:43

Wow, after two years of investing in their own solution they go now for the standard one.

#2516 Kompressor

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 20:24

The drs having will no longer be allowed to have secondary effects next season. It's logical to try a new approach.

#2517 Urawa

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 20:30

Rosberg said to AMuS they improved just by one second since Melbourne.
No wonder why they are where we see them now.
Don´t want to know how much Red Bull improved in the same time...

#2518 BetaVersion

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 21:47

Rosberg said to AMuS they improved just by one second since Melbourne.
No wonder why they are where we see them now.
Don´t want to know how much Red Bull improved in the same time...


This explains to you why such happened:

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#2519 Sakae

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 06:32

Witty.

Hopefully this weekend they shall correct some of perception like these (Rosberg thinks). :)

Edited by Sakae, 17 November 2012 - 06:34.


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#2520 Pits

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 11:41

So, Rosberg drove the old config without the coanda exhaust. It was much faster wasn't it?
Why not revert back to the old set-up then?

#2521 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 12:18

So, Rosberg drove the old config without the coanda exhaust. It was much faster wasn't it?
Why not revert back to the old set-up then?

they are probably going to run both and try to understand why the new one isn't working
I am not defending them at all in their stupidity but this could be a reason to try it



#2522 Pits

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 12:24

they are probably going to run both and try to understand why the new one isn't working
I am not defending them at all in their stupidity but this could be a reason to try it


Yeah, they explained it that way. Suddenly Rosberg was back in the top ten time sheet.
The coanda uses a different engine map, with less power. If the coanda doesn't deliver the expected extra downforce it's useless.
I'd say, give them the old spec and let them drive for point's, instead of racing the STR's.

#2523 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 12:33

they'll probably run rosberg with this one and ms with the other one to benchmark.
of course ms will get the slower one :))

#2524 ivand911

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 12:42

On Sky they said that for FP2 both drivers will use coanda exhaust. So, they will run with it.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 12:52

Yeah, they explained it that way. Suddenly Rosberg was back in the top ten time sheet.
The coanda uses a different engine map, with less power. If the coanda doesn't deliver the expected extra downforce it's useless.
I'd say, give them the old spec and let them drive for point's, instead of racing the STR's.


They need to give the coanda exhaust track time to learn for next season, driving for a few points at the cost of improving the potential next seasons car is a little short sighted.

#2526 Pits

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 13:06

They need to give the coanda exhaust track time to learn for next season, driving for a few points at the cost of improving the potential next seasons car is a little short sighted.


Even if it means they will be beaten by Sauber and end up 6th in the championship?
And together with that you give the greatest champ of all time the most crappy car possible to end his carriere with.
I must be hounest, I don't give a shit for this team anymore. I would just like MS to have a driveable car for his last two races.

#2527 Shiroo

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 13:29

oh jesus. Their coanda is brilliant. Lotus in 3rd race with Coanda got win, they had few more races, YDT and still revert to old config coz they doesnt work how it works?

Where the ****in **** all Mercedes money goes? for parties? For hiring 20 technical gurus or da **** what? I mean seriously, what the heck went wrong with that team, it is not just they are going backwards, they are like falling down from frickin waterfall.

I thought that they after coanda introducing will get back some lost ground, but instead they are falling back even further. What's wrong Mercedes, why the heck you need to destroy my favourite road car brand? :S


And they were supposed to be in top 3 WCC this year, and now what? ending 6th? sweet god, i'd fire half of the team if I'd be Mercedes CEO

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#2528 dav115

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 15:57

Schumacher struggling for front temps? Load of tyre shake in the slower corners, plus he's weaving on the straights and riding the brake pedal.

#2529 BigCHrome

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:48

This explains to you why such happened:

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Real mature :down:

#2530 1Devil1

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:55

you don't understand a little joke? Some around here take everything too serious

Edited by 1Devil1, 17 November 2012 - 16:55.


#2531 BetaVersion

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 17:06

you don't understand a little joke? Some around here take everything too serious

yup :|

I wasn't even the one who did it, albeit I wish I was

#2532 1Devil1

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 17:11

yup :|

I wasn't even the one who did it, albeit I wish I was


I think it's funny because it is a kind of caricature where you stretch things to an extreme but still has critical message. What happened to all the money mercedes invested the last years? Shouldn't they be in the top3 having that much brain power and resources? For myself honest questions you can ask. If you like the form of "caricature" is another one..

#2533 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 17:16

This explains to you why such happened:

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I am laughing so much I actually have tears in my eyes.

#2534 Timstr11

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 17:42

Real mature :down:

Patience. These are just the last convulsions of rabid Schumacher fans who have made it impossible to have a civilized discussion in this thread.

#2535 1Devil1

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 17:47

Patience. These are just the last convulsions of rabid Schumacher fans who have made it impossible to have a civilized discussion in this thread.


Common what has this to do with Schumacher? It's a comic. Nothing special or immature. The team was bad this year. This realization is not connect with being a fan of Schumacher. I guess even neutral viewers or fans of Nico are not very thankful for that "special" year.

Edited by 1Devil1, 17 November 2012 - 17:47.


#2536 Lamag

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:51

Something went wrong for Rosberg during the Q2. He cant match his speed from the FP2 when he went 1m37.247s

#2537 1Devil1

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:52

Something went wrong for Rosberg during the Q2. He cant match his speed from the FP2 when he went 1m37.247s


Perhaps he felt out of tire window. But something went wrong for him for sure..

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:53

He was already behind MSC by 0.8 and in trouble in Q1, so whatever it was started before Q2.

Edited by Disgrace, 17 November 2012 - 18:54.


#2539 Shiroo

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:53

but still it doesnt look good for him, if he cant beat Schumi nowdays (for god's sake he is 4x year old). And next year he will have Hamilton as teammate, I believe he will be dominated.

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#2540 Pits

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:21

but still it doesnt look good for him, if he cant beat Schumi nowdays (for god's sake he is 4x year old). And next year he will have Hamilton as teammate, I believe he will be dominated.


Or maybe, just maybe....Schumacher isn't as bad as you think??
I for one think so, Schumacher is still a bloody good driver and better than Rosberg.
Hamilton vs Rosberg next year will put things in perspective... :kiss:

#2541 Shiroo

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:29

Or maybe, just maybe....Schumacher isn't as bad as you think??
I for one think so, Schumacher is still a bloody good driver and better than Rosberg.
Hamilton vs Rosberg next year will put things in perspective... :kiss:

you really think that Rosberg will stand any chance? Look what Hamilton did today, in way inferior car (lets face it McLaren is slower than RBR) he managed to give Vettel a hard time.. And he literally destroy Button

#2542 RedBaron

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:31

Real mature :down:


What's immature about that graphic? It's actually quite funny and rings true on numerous events that have happened.

Patience. These are just the last convulsions of rabid Schumacher fans who have made it impossible to have a civilized discussion in this thread.



The both of you need to lighten up. Especially you Timstr. You act as if Mercedes are a shining team with speed and excellence and it's just Schumacher fans being babies and whining. No points in how many races for either driver, cars with no pace, failures, screw ups, updates that don't move forward, ditching previous updates that no longer work, failed forecast after failed forecast, wrong direction on this wrong direction on that.

You haven't been here the past 3 years. Not much is going to change. The McLaren/Hamilton new comers to this topic/team can dream all day that it's a new dawn and 2013 is a new season with a new car without the errors of 2012 but take it from people who've been here every year. Nothing changes with Mercedes. 2013 will have it's own errors, it's own wrong decisions.





#2543 korzeniow

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:34

The both of you need to lighten up. Especially you Timstr. You act as if Mercedes are a shining team with speed and excellence and it's just Schumacher fans being babies and whining. No points in how many races for either driver, cars with no pace, failures, screw ups, updates that don't move forward, ditching previous updates that no longer work, failed forecast after failed forecast, wrong direction on this wrong direction on that.

You haven't been here the past 3 years. Not much is going to change. The McLaren/Hamilton new comers to this topic/team can dream all day that it's a new dawn and 2013 is a new season with a new car without the errors of 2012 but take it from people who've been here every year. Nothing changes with Mercedes. 2013 will have it's own errors, it's own wrong decisions.


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#2544 Pits

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:36

you really think that Rosberg will stand any chance? Look what Hamilton did today, in way inferior car (lets face it McLaren is slower than RBR) he managed to give Vettel a hard time.. And he literally destroy Button


I think that Rosberg en Hamilton will be close just like Schumacher and Rosberg are now.
How do you now RB is way inferior, maybe Vettel is just a faster driver than hamilton?
Also McLaren destroyed Button's chances to a good quali, so no use to compare that to Hamilton either.


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:51

I think that Rosberg en Hamilton will be close just like Schumacher and Rosberg are now.
How do you now RB is way inferior, maybe Vettel is just a faster driver than hamilton?
Also McLaren destroyed Button's chances to a good quali, so no use to compare that to Hamilton either.

Did you miss enitre season quali ? I mean look how Hamilton performs in them (for example Abu Dhabi) and how Button. Button looks miserable compared to hamilton, and tbh I just dont rate Rosberg in that class bracket (bah I believe he is inferior to Button, Webber bracket class)

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:00

Starting to bury NR is way too premature. He will give LH a pretty good run for his money. You can't draw conclusions from the past three seasons, and he has put the car further than it deserves to be on the grid too. The contrast is not that big, since the W03 is 1-1,5 sec behind on most tracks in raw speed. That puts the Merc drivers in a position where they have to fight for the sharp end of the mid-field, which is not very rewarding. Today, if there was only a slight difference between the setups of MS and NR, it could easily mean this difference between them, with the usual shxxy attribute of the Pirellis, concerning operating window.

#2547 ivand911

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:05

I approve this message

Don't approve it , because you will be labeled as Schumi fan. :lol:
Nico for sure has problem with the car/tyres. There is information he run with old exhaust(no coanda effect). I don't know why.

Edited by ivand911, 17 November 2012 - 20:06.


#2548 BetaVersion

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:22

Patience. These are just the last convulsions of rabid Schumacher fans who have made it impossible to have a civilized discussion in this thread.


Unfortunately I won't remember your nick to monitor your posts next year once sh$t starts to happen to Lewis on every GP weekend basis

Edited by BetaVersion, 17 November 2012 - 20:22.


#2549 1Devil1

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:29

Nico used the old exhaust - confirmed

#2550 ivand911

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:41

Nico used the old exhaust - confirmed

Why he did it? Better race pace?