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Mercedes-AMG 2012 W03 - Part II


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#251 Szoelloe

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 15:44

Yeap, the most overhyped team in the pack which was supposed to fight for titles from the first day


ehhmm, no, it isn't, it is the most underrated as yet, which is not surprising. "supposed to fight for titles from the first day" is just your usual unfounded remark against Merc. The goal from day 1 was 3rd place. The most overhyped team is officially elsewhere.

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#252 1Devil1

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 21:33

Yeap, the most overhyped team in the pack which was supposed to fight for titles from the first day


First of all as lotus fan you really shut up in this perspective. Lotus is by far the most overhyped team every race weekend. If media opinion would be reality lotus would be leading the world championship. Monaco was the best example, the praising about their super speed and long run pace on thursday was so annoying. They never had the speed the whole weekend. Nobody predicted mercedes will fight for the championship after the testing season. Most saw them behind McLaren, Red Bull and Lotus. They got one win and nearly another one in monaco. where is exactly your problem now?

#253 BetaVersion

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 00:24

Rosberg was surely the fastest in Monaco, but that's nothing new and it's a uncommon track. It doesn't matter anymore. Montreal demonstrated they don't have the fastest car at the moment. Mercedes can be competitive in Valencia but they can't except a win there or even a podium. Red Bull, McLaren, Ferrari improved their cars as well.


Well, FOR SURE, he was not the fastest in qualifying. And it's VERY speculative if he had the fastest car in the race.

Webber was "holding" him only in the last laps of the race. Vettel, after pitting, came with the faster tires(SS) and to last for much last laps than the tires of the others.

With overtaking possible, it doesn't matter if Rosberg would pass Webber, because Vettel would just vanish in front of everybody with his SS.

#254 rog

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 15:53

Webber was "holding" him only in the last laps of the race. Vettel, after pitting, came with the faster tires(SS) and to last for much last laps than the tires of the others.



lol what a joke. Webber hold up everyone behind him after his stop, at least up to P5 or so. He was really slow. Vettel gained positions from Webbers slow pace. The first stint from Webber was much better, only Rosberg was able to follow him.

Edited by rog, 21 June 2012 - 15:54.


#255 BigCHrome

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 09:27

Weird that Mercedes have continued to use the front wing without the cascade wings.

Also I wonder why they haven't tried the McLaren exhaust yet.

#256 Pizdek

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 12:53

So, after all those unexplainable mistakes is it time to grab some points? It would be really nice.

#257 Pizdek

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 12:55

Lot of work in our garage... Nico broke something??

#258 Obi Offiah

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 18:01

Did anyone see Nico kiss the wall with his right rear in FP2, just before Pedro re-modelled the HRT in the tyre barrier?

#259 Kingshark

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 18:04

Mercedes 'fastest car' in 2012

http://www.f1today.n...est-car-in-2012

I read these glowing reports before every race weekend but the hype rarely becomes the reality.

Uh, it's F1today. I'll believe it when some reliable source states this.

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#260 Timstr11

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 18:53

Rosberg Q&A

#261 rog

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 10:27

Looking not that good after FP3.

#262 ali.unal

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 10:39

I think Rosberg didn't manage to set a clean lap. Michael on the other hand had clocked 44.9 in S2 on medium tyres before aborting it, but he didn't quite on pace with soft tyres, still recording 44.9 in S2. They are making advantage of long straights in S2, but not stronger in the other parts of the sector. Second row would be good.

#263 Pits

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 10:45

So, it doesn't look to good for Merc here.
My guess is it's pure temp related, the tires are holding them back.
I'm not even sure they can make it into the 1.38 laptime, what would mean the will start somewhere on the fifth row.

Or do they have something extra in the bag? :rolleyes:

#264 Diablobb81

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:02

Meh, this time the drivers really dropped the ball. Michael even more.

Edited by Diablobb81, 23 June 2012 - 13:03.


#265 Urawa

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:08

They´re fading in qualifying since Bahrain. Monaco was a exception but I think that was more thanks to the drivers.
Maybe that´s the price for improving on sunday (at least that´s what AMuS already says since weeks)

#266 Scotracer

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:10

I predict 5th place for Nico and DNF for Michael tomorrow.



#267 Atonal

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:24

What exactly happened to Rosberg on his final run? Was he too close to Hamilton and did he me make a mistake as his first two sectors were slightly off? If so quite poor and disappointing from team Mercedes and the drivers since both Nico and Michael had the speed and the equipment to be neck and neck somewhere around the second row at least. It seems both the pilots made crucial mistakes at the critical times.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:30

What exactly happened to Rosberg on his final run? Was he too close to Hamilton and did he me make a mistake as his first two sectors were slightly off? If so quite poor and disappointing from team Mercedes and the drivers since both Nico and Michael had the speed and the equipment to be neck and neck somewhere around the second row at least. It seems both the pilots made crucial mistakes at the critical times.


Too close to Lewis and Pastor was behind him on a fast lap.

He should have done better though. He should have been fighting with Lewis for second spot.

#269 Lamag

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:34

Too close to Lewis and Pastor was behind him on a fast lap.

He should have done better though. He should have been fighting with Lewis for second spot.


It was impossible to doing a lap in that position with Lewis just in front of him. The right call was to abort the lap as he did. Shame for Mercedes by put him into that position, he could easily do a 1m38.3 or 2 according to his Q2 lap time.

#270 korzeniow

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 14:02

absolutely the fastest car

Michael for Valencia, that's where the money needs to go


ekhem ...

I know, I sound like duche

#271 Massa_f1

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 14:09

Is Mercedes updating the car at all. I hear lots of Ferrari and Red Bull, but nothing new from the Mercedes

#272 rog

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:42

Hamilton slowed down I heard and behind him Maldonado on a fast lap. That was bad, he was on a new set of option tyres. Schumacher had errors in his two runs in Q2. Not a good session.

#273 Kompressor

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 19:19

We'll get a chance to see how Mercedes W03 manages the tires in the heat. There's potential for both drivers to finish in the points if they can drive clean races and have good starts. I'm not expecting a podium finish but anything is possible. I'm going to enjoy the Alonso vs. Schumacher match-up. Rosberg vs. Lotus should be interesting as well.

#274 Schumacher7

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 22:17

ekhem ...

I know, I sound like duche

Nah, race is tomorrow, that's where he'll win it, Pirelli have given him tyres with zero drop off and he'll be able to one stop.

#275 baddog

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 23:49

It was impossible to doing a lap in that position with Lewis just in front of him. The right call was to abort the lap as he did. Shame for Mercedes by put him into that position, he could easily do a 1m38.3 or 2 according to his Q2 lap time.

Interesting that the stewards ruled that Hamilton was not slow in that sector and that Rosberg was not within a second of him.. seems he overreacted.

#276 BetaVersion

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 00:17

lol what a joke. Webber hold up everyone behind him after his stop, at least up to P5 or so. He was really slow. Vettel gained positions from Webbers slow pace. The first stint from Webber was much better, only Rosberg was able to follow him.

Yeah, now that you say it, what a joke of a comment you made there.

If Rosberg was so much faster, why didn't he jumped Webber on pits? Everytime you have a faster car and pits earlier, to come back with fresher/faster tires, you jump the guy ahead.

Do you wanna know why Nico couldn't do it? It's very simple. It's because Webber, with old SS, was faster than Nico, with brand new softs.

Plus, you are entirely wrong when saying Webber was holding everybody and that's the reason Vettel jumped people. In fact, Vettel with very old softs, was lapping way faster than everybody in Top6(who had new softs at the time) and nobody was being held at the moment.

As I said earlier, Webber only hold people in the last 20 laps or so, and that gave a foolish impression to some of Rosberg having the best pace of all, when if fact, it was only Webber being too slow at that point.

Anyway, back to what reallly matters right now, Mercedes did a great job this weekend. A trouble free one with lot's of running on both cars for the FPs. The drivers let them down this time. The car probably could have faught for 2nd here

They´re fading in qualifying since Bahrain. Monaco was a exception but I think that was more thanks to the drivers.
Maybe that´s the price for improving on sunday (at least that´s what AMuS already says since weeks)

:up:

I'm thinking that since it's happening. Monaco is a driver's track, the place where the driving makes the most difference. It simply doesn't make sense for W03 to be very good in Monaco, while not that good at Montreal/Valencia.

Monaco have mostly slow corners, with a couple of medium ones(which are not W03 strengh) and very little considerable straights. If W03 performance in Monaco was down to the car, then it should have poled and won Montreal and Valencia as both circuits would suit W03 even more because of having similar slow corners(as in Monaco) with the addition of long straights(where W03 excells).

#277 black magic

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 06:09

surely only strategy for schumacher is to be on a different one to front 10, regardless of what their analysis suggests.

he will never be able to overtake those in front given this circuit


I expect mercedes to however run a similar strategy for both cars.

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 06:17

I hope Mercedes put Schumi on a 1-stopper. Start him with Mediums, stay as long as he can, then try to go to the finish line with the soft set of tires

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 09:08

If Rosberg was so much faster, why didn't he jumped Webber on pits? Everytime you have a faster car and pits earlier, to come back with fresher/faster tires, you jump the guy ahead.



Because Webber had a small lead from his first stint about 1,5 seconds and his first stint times were much better than his second stint times. Webber was much slower in the second stint with new tyres.

Do you wanna know why Nico couldn't do it? It's very simple. It's because Webber, with old SS, was faster than Nico, with brand new softs.


Webbers last 3 laps on old SS tyres:

26 1:19.947
27 1:20.212
28 1:20.267

Rosbergs first flying lap on new tyres:

29 1:19.181

He wasn't faster on old tyres, one lap later his pit stop and he would have lost it. And I told he was much faster in the second stint not in the first.

Webbers times after his stop:

29 P 1:38.433
30 1:24.518
31 1:21.134
32 1:21.568
33 1:21.018
34 1:19.937
35 1:20.254
36 1:20.450
37 1:20.083


He drove two seconds slower in hist first laps than what Rosberg was able in hist first flying lap.





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#280 Lamag

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 11:13

Interesting that the stewards ruled that Hamilton was not slow in that sector and that Rosberg was not within a second of him.. seems he overreacted.


What about the team? Does the team overreacted too?

Mercedes motorsport chief Norbert Haug said he was disappointed by the missed opportunity: "While Nico's first run in Q3 put him P1, his second ended in traffic as he caught a car in the final sector where you are not allowed to slow down. As his times in Q2 and Q3 proved, it is clear that Nico would have had a shot at the front row of the grid without this handicap."

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 11:26

I hope Mercedes put Schumi on a 1-stopper. Start him with Mediums, stay as long as he can, then try to go to the finish line with the soft set of tires


This car is not capable of doing one stop strategy

#282 Longtimefan

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 11:35

Good luck Schumi, about time you had a good one. Go get 'em!



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Posted 24 June 2012 - 12:55

SC and they don't even pit ONE car. Haha, what a team....

#284 Diablobb81

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 12:57

Michael certainly is screwed.

#285 Longtimefan

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 13:28

Merc doing their best to throw Michaels points away.

Pathetic...

Edited by Longtimefan, 24 June 2012 - 13:31.


#286 Diablobb81

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 13:55

Great drive by both drivers. Good recovery by Nico on a shit strategy.

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 14:56

Shocking that Nico gets a warning that the tyres are overheating after 3 laps??!!! Maybe not the car's fault so much as the tyres.

Ross has said that RB were very surprising, but there are updates on the way for the car, about time too.

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 15:04

Shocking that Nico gets a warning that the tyres are overheating after 3 laps??!!! Maybe not the car's fault so much as the tyres.

Ross has said that RB were very surprising, but there are updates on the way for the car, about time too.


Yes, car needs more pace. Silverstone shouldn´t be so good for them but on the other hand lower temperatures should hopefully help them.
I guess +40°C tarmac temp was just too much during the last two races.

#289 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 15:12

I think it was clear that the hard's weren't working too well, particularly by comparing Nico's 1st stint to Michael's.

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 15:14

good result for MGP, both cars scoring good lot of points, finally! :kiss:
Congrats MGP & MGP Fans :up:
:cool:

#291 Diablobb81

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 15:15

And Nico had massive trouble getting the tires to work during the SC.

#292 Schumacher7

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 15:15

Michael certainly is screwed.

And he is look.  ;)

#293 Pizdek

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 15:16

Merc doing their best to throw Michaels points away.

Pathetic...


??? wtf

Because of Mercedes MS won podium.

And you Schumacher fans should be banned from visiting this thread.

Congrats Michael Schumacher, you earned this after couple of chances... Well done Mercedes... gutted for Nico, he was nowhere today...

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 15:24

Its Ross Brawn call for calling him after he was P4. He would lose to much time trying 2 stops...

#295 Diablobb81

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 15:24

And he is look. ;)


My lack of faith is disturbing.

#296 DS27

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 15:29

My lack of faith is disturbing.



Don't be too hard on yourself - I felt the same half way through the race...

#297 Diablobb81

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 15:32

For me it looked like they didn't have the pace to fight back.

#298 RedBaron

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 15:40

Rosberg went longer than Schumacher who was on mediums on 'used' softs, which was quite surprising.

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 15:44

I'm going to be brutally honest, I think Mercedes lucked into this result. Michael deserves his podium as his form has been great all year, but not today. Mercedes got the strategy wrong, Brawn conceded that tyre behaviour was not what they thought it was going to be and had to compromise only to be saved by heavy attrition at the front.

If Seb/Romain/Lewis/Maldonado had finished, Schumacher would be have seventh. Rosberg possibly out of the points as he had a weak race.

Taking nothing away from Micheals fightback though, that was just more good stuff we've become used to this year, but he saved their bacon.

Edited by Disgrace, 24 June 2012 - 15:45.


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Posted 24 June 2012 - 15:53

I agree with Disgrace. As a Schumacher fan however I take a lot from Schuamacher's performance combined with his first return podium, nothing will dampen the joy of today's race. Even if by some bizarre moronic decision he gets a timed penalty for that yellow flag incident. Just like the Monaco pole; it's what happened on the track that matters to me.

Nico was slow, which was a little mystifying. He really had a disappointing race. I'd like to see his start from onboard and see how he ended up in 11th.