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#1451 AlanK

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:12

F1 isn't as big in Britain as people would like you to believe. It's 'okay' but it doesn't have anywhere near the cultural penetration that football does.

I think I`ve made myself clear on football v F1. Football will always be the biggie but.....Name one other sport in this country where 50,000 people camp at the venue and the total weekend attendance is over 300,000. In the pissing rain and mud. Where 20,000 people attend an after event party.
We are way off track here anyway.......my original point stands.......30 seconds !?!


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#1452 SUPRAF1

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:15

Isn't that because football games are like 500x times more common than Silverstone GP :p.

#1453 AlanK

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:18

Have you seen the amount of motor sport categories? Not all football is in the prem. Not all racing is in F1. My point stands.....30 seconds.

#1454 Shambolic

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 02:26

I think, think, football is kinda popular in Britain.


And F1 will never be properly popular in this country until it's better promoted.

Sticking 50% of the full, live, coverage onto a pay channel on satellite, which then promotes itself on itself ad nauseum, doesn't count as promotion either. But the blame for that lies Bernie and the Beeb, can't fault $ky for taking advantage, and being complicit in, fan shafting and greed.

#1455 chrisblades85

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 09:34

When the F1 races were exclusively on a free view channel like the BBC they have achieved viewing figures between 6-8 million. ( I believe a peak of 13 million watched Jenson win in Canada ) That is more than the viewing figures for premiership football. Fact.
The Man U v Man C derby last week attracted 4 million viewers. A new record.
Recent F1 viewing figures

Football viewing

As you can see, F1 attracts as many viewers as football. The coverage on sports personality tonight was disproportionate.



I understand where you are coming from but football is a much bigger sport in this country.

Viewing figures

So a big game on normal telly can attract huge numbers. Which isn't that far off the the record of the most watched program's recorded in Britain. No where near 13 million watched the Canadian G.P either.

But F1, as a seasonal event, is still one of the biggest sports in Britain. So to get hardly any coverage on SPOTY is a surprise, but then not a shock. F1 is hardly top of the beebs mind anymore. Infact how they treat F1 viewers is pretty poor considering the figures it attracts.

Edited by chrisblades85, 17 December 2012 - 09:41.


#1456 Clatter

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 18:23

There you go bashing the beeb again! Actually, I think it was at least 30 seconds! Obviously enough time to cover the amazing season we had.

In all honesty I am disgusted but not suprised. Thank god for SKY because the BBC showed thier cards tonight.


You don't think they showed their cards when they dumped 50% of the live races?

#1457 tifosiMac

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 18:45

And F1 will never be properly popular in this country until it's better promoted.

Sticking 50% of the full, live, coverage onto a pay channel on satellite, which then promotes itself on itself ad nauseum, doesn't count as promotion either. But the blame for that lies Bernie and the Beeb, can't fault $ky for taking advantage, and being complicit in, fan shafting and greed.

F1 is due for a nose dive in popularity in the UK but the powers that be expected that to happen when the deal was announced. The BBC shafted the fans of course, but the sport is never going to gain popularity in its present state. That's basic economics. Sky didn't attract as many viewers as they had hoped and I think the BBC are amazed they have managed to keep the lions share of the viewer-ship. They may only have 50% of the races live with 75% of the coverage overall, but without the sport on FTA, it would be pointless for even Sky to own exclusive rights to it. The sport can't afford to lose the millions who tune in to the UK, its just a shame they got greedy with it.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 20:12

There was nothing to show. In an awards ceremony already dominated by the Olympics they had no time to show a review of the season. Had Button or Hamilton gone into the final race as title contenders then i'm sure we'd have seen a little more but they didn't, so we didn't. I don't see the big deal really. The Man City vs Man United final day of the season title race was a one off worthy of highlighting, as was a British team winning the Champions League. And Spain deserved their mention. I can't think of anything else they should have shown from this season.

Did they even mention Roger won Wimbledon this year? I missed the start.

Slightly off topic, but the voting figures were up this year. 492,064 for Bradley Wiggins compared to 169,152 for Mark Cavendish last year.

1. Bradley Wiggins 492,064 (30.25%)
2. Jessica Ennis 372,765 (22.92%)
3. Andy Murray 230,444 (14.17%)
4. Mo Farah 131,327 (8.07%)
5. David Weir 114,633 (7.05%)
6. Ellie Simmonds 102,894 (6.33%)
7. Sir Chris Hoy 42,961 (2.64%)
8. Nicola Adams 35,560 (2.19%)
9. Ben Ainslie 35,373 (2.17%)
10. Rory McIlroy 29,729 (1.83%)
11. Katherine Grainger 28,626 (1.76%)
12. Sarah Storey 10,342 (0.64%)

My vote went for Mo. Best sporting moment of the year for me by miles.

Edited by pRy, 17 December 2012 - 20:16.


#1459 showtime

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 13:01

Andrew Benson ‏@andrewbensonf1
BBC announces that @suziperry will replace @mrjakehumphrey as F1 presenter in 2013


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#1460 David Lightman

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 13:03

Poor choice, should have been Lee. Any news on EJ being sacked or do I just have to dream?

#1461 showtime

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 13:07

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The BBC's live GP line up in 2013 is China, Spain, Canada, GB, Belgium, Italy, Japan, India, Brazil, plus the TBC race on July 21.


#1462 dank

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 13:17

No Monaco, I see.

#1463 Don_Humpador

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 13:21

No Monaco, I see.

No Australia, either. :/

Season opener isn't really a season opener if you can't ****ing watch it.

#1464 KavB

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 13:22

Good choice IMO. She was decent covering the MotoGP and Lee is great at getting interviews. It isn't feasible for her to present as well as get interviews.

Edit: Pretty happy Monaco isn't live. It's a bore.

Edited by KavB, 21 December 2012 - 13:23.


#1465 dank

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 13:24

Edit: Pretty happy Monaco isn't live. It's a bore.


True dat. Got Canada instead, which tends to produce a better race.

#1466 Fastcake

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 13:34

I thought we were getting Bernie :(

Suppose she'll do a good enough job, just have to wait and see.

#1467 chrisblades85

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 13:42

Wonder how long it will take before people will moan about her. I would say the 1st race but that's not even live.



#1468 Clatter

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 14:19

Wonder how long it will take before people will moan about her. I would say the 1st race but that's not even live.


I reckon the moaners will be out long before the season starts.

#1469 pRy

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 14:25

I'll be surprised if they didn't offer the role to Lee. She filled in for Jake earlier this year so she would have been the natural choice. Perhaps she felt the role wasn't for her and preferred to stay where she was? Suzy is a fine choice. Could have been worse.

#1470 ayali

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 14:32

Poor choice, should have been Lee. Any news on EJ being sacked or do I just have to dream?

I agree, if Lee wanted the job (which I don't know) it should have been hers.
Me thinks she'll be having a Sky job offer pretty soon ;)

Suzy is OK though, she did fine with MotoGP and knew her stuff.
Lets see how she does in F1 or actually lets not as I'll be watching Sky ;)

Canada for Monaco is a good swap, it will make for 1 less Sunday 10pm highlights show.

#1471 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 14:40

I'll be surprised if they didn't offer the role to Lee. She filled in for Jake earlier this year so she would have been the natural choice. Perhaps she felt the role wasn't for her and preferred to stay where she was? Suzy is a fine choice. Could have been worse.


I think Perry has a lot more presenting experience, particularly outside of motorsport.

#1472 pacificquay

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 15:20

Given they don't have every race live it makes no difference who is presenting, I'll be watching Sky

#1473 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 15:23

Thanks for that.

#1474 olliek88

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 15:26

I like Suzi. Good choice IMO, always like her on MotoGP and the Gadget Show in particular, definitely preferable to Lee, she's a good journalist and pit lane reporter but not quite made of right stuff to be the anchor.

#1475 PretentiousBread

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 15:57

Suzi Perry is the hottest piece of ass on the planet. BBC coverage is now clearly superior to Sky's.

#1476 Boing 2

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 16:09

Suzi Perry is the hottest piece of ass on the planet. BBC coverage is now clearly superior to Sky's.


This isn't a terribly professional way to start the new job Suzi.....

Edited by Boing 2, 21 December 2012 - 16:09.


#1477 billm99uk

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 16:11

I thought Perry said she just liked bikes and wasn't really into cars? :confused:

#1478 D.M.N.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 16:15

My thoughts:

- Suzi Perry is a fantastic choice, and BBC were clearly looking for someone with experience based on their choice. I do think Lee McKenzie has been completely shafted though considering she has been pit-lane reporter since 2009 and looked to succeed Humphrey.
- Mixed bag for the BBC picks, but I do think the advantage of having Canada (a primetime, high rating race) and Italy outweighs the negative of not having Monaco. So on the whole I think it is better than 2012.
- Good to see The F1 Show beginning on February 15th so Sky are covering testing to some degree, but the article seems too vague and does not really show how else they are planning to improve the Sky Sports F1 channel.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 16:15

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BBC announces that @suziperry will replace @mrjakehumphrey as F1 presenter in 2013


thank goodness, someone who can do a grid walkabout and interviews without annoying everyone.

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#1480 sosidge

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 16:39

Suzi Perry at the BBC. So how much is that Sky subscription?

#1481 Longtimefan

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 17:24

Suzy is nice and bound to be 100x better than that arrogant little smug arse Jake.

Although still only 10 races live, seems pointless to me, either show all of them or none.



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Posted 21 December 2012 - 17:46

Sky are including this paragraph in their blurb about next season which seems to indicate that its part of the sports subscription package now which would be sad to me if true 'Next year as well as the complete Formula 1 season, Sky Sports viewers can watch live coverage of the Masters golf, the British Lions Tour to Australia, back-to-back Ashes series and more Barclays Premier League football matches than ever before'.

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#1483 chrisblades85

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 18:10

Why is that sad?

#1484 F1Champion

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 18:12

A great choice by the BBC. Suzi has always been passionate about MotoGP and she knows her motorsport. She is a safe pair of hands to be lead anchor.

#1485 Clatter

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 18:13

Sky are including this paragraph in their blurb about next season which seems to indicate that its part of the sports subscription package now which would be sad to me if true 'Next year as well as the complete Formula 1 season, Sky Sports viewers can watch live coverage of the Masters golf, the British Lions Tour to Australia, back-to-back Ashes series and more Barclays Premier League football matches than ever before'.


I'm expecting it as Sky wouldn't confirm it remaining as part of the HD sub when I asked the question. Always thought this would happen and adding it to the HD sub last year was just a way of calming the outrage last year.

#1486 Les

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 18:15

Why is that sad?


Well its sad for me personally as I likely won't be able to afford it now at least until I get a full time job in summer.

#1487 Clatter

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 18:16

Why is that sad?


You seriously can't work out the implications and reason why some of us would be sad about it?

#1488 Les

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 18:17

You seriously can't work out the implications and reason why some of us would be sad about it?


Indeed.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 18:30

I'm expecting it as Sky wouldn't confirm it remaining as part of the HD sub when I asked the question. Always thought this would happen and adding it to the HD sub last year was just a way of calming the outrage last year.

Pretty glad I didn't switch to Sky now. I would have for this season, but the only positive over Virgin is gone.

#1490 Clatter

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 18:38

Pretty glad I didn't switch to Sky now. I would have for this season, but the only positive over Virgin is gone.


There is still the chance it will remain part of the HD sub, just suspicious that they won't confirm it. If I had upgraded specifically because of it then I would be royally P***** off.

#1491 olliek88

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 18:41

Well its sad for me personally as I likely won't be able to afford it now at least until I get a full time job in summer.


SkySportsF1 is part of their sports package, SkySportsF1HD is part of their Entertainment HD package, nothing changes as far as i understand it. I think too much is being read into that sentence.

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#1492 Clatter

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 18:44

SkySportF1 is part of their sports package, SkySportsF1HD is part of their Entertainment HD package, nothing changes as far as i understand it. I think too much is being read into that sentence.


Possibly, but I have asked the specific question to Sky and they will not confirm that F1 will remain as part of the HD pack.


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Posted 21 December 2012 - 18:46

Possibly, but I have asked the specific question to Sky and they will not confirm that F1 will remain as part of the HD pack.


Time will tell i guess, until then lets not talk about pure conjecture as though it is a fact. Not talking about you Clatter.

#1494 Les

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 18:55

Time will tell i guess, until then lets not talk about pure conjecture as though it is a fact. Not talking about you Clatter.


To be fair I said it would be sad if true not that it was definite. We'll find out in due course, fingers crossed your right.

Edited by Les, 21 December 2012 - 18:56.


#1495 chrisblades85

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 19:14

You seriously can't work out the implications and reason why some of us would be sad about it?



No because I forgot how Sky charged people to watch F1. I must remember for next time :rolleyes:

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 23:51

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Why wasnt Lee Mckenzie promoted into the role if the BBC wanted a female lead presenter? :confused:

Not keen on Perry or her presenting style, as someone who used to watch the Beebs build up when races were live on both channels i will be switching to Sky next season.

#1497 g1n

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 00:15

Why wasnt Lee Mckenzie promoted into the role if the BBC wanted a female lead presenter? :confused:

Lee, was terrible when standing in for Jake.

#1498 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 00:17

Why wasnt Lee Mckenzie promoted into the role if the BBC wanted a female lead presenter? :confused:

Not keen on Perry or her presenting style, as someone who used to watch the Beebs build up when races were live on both channels i will be switching to Sky next season.


Why don't you watch whichever broadcast has better commentators?

#1499 dank

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 10:16

Why don't you watch whichever broadcast has better commentators?


Clearly presentation is the be-all and end-all when it comes to F1 coverage, and not the race itself.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 13:34

I thought Lee was pretty professional but quite dry, she didn't bring much of a flavour to the affair, Perry was always a bit more relaxed on the MotoGP side and added a bit more personality.