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#1 Muz Bee

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Posted 02 June 2012 - 02:35

Just curious having looked through Chris Amon's career and wonder if anyone else qualified on pole more often than the luckless Kiwi who never won a WDC GP.

He scored 3 poles (in a row) for Ferrari in 1968 and 3 for Matra in 1971/72.

He also qualified on the front row a staggering 19 times!

I doubt that this non-conversion rate would be possible in today's reliability era.

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#2 AdHoc

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Posted 02 June 2012 - 04:59

Nope, Amon is indeed the driver having had the most poles without winning a GP.

Second is Jean-Pierre Jarier with 3 poles without a win, but with 134 GPs (Amon 96 GPs).

#3 ensign14

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Posted 02 June 2012 - 08:30

Warsaw.

#4 barrykm

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Posted 02 June 2012 - 10:08

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:rotfl: (even as a Chris Amon fan...)

#5 patgaw

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Posted 02 June 2012 - 11:01

I'm Pole from Warsaw :rotfl:

#6 A.Fant

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Posted 02 June 2012 - 12:01

Did a little pole position research and found this:

Ronnie Peterson had 4 pole positions before he won his first race (not from pole), the first pole he converted to a win was his 7th.

While René Arnoux "only" had two poles before his first win, the first pole he converted to a win was his 14th.

Juan Pablo Montoya had pole position for 5 consecutive races in 2002 with only a 3rd and a 4th place to show for it.

Former teammates Jenson Button and Rubens Barrichello both looked like equalling Jarier's achievement by scoring 3 poles before their first wins.

#7 Clatter

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Posted 02 June 2012 - 12:24

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:lol: Took me several minutes before I got it. :blush:

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Posted 02 June 2012 - 13:29

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Oh Ensign :rotfl:

#9 discover23

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Posted 02 June 2012 - 14:27

Did a little pole position research and found this:

Ronnie Peterson had 4 pole positions before he won his first race (not from pole), the first pole he converted to a win was his 7th.

While René Arnoux "only" had two poles before his first win, the first pole he converted to a win was his 14th.

Juan Pablo Montoya had pole position for 5 consecutive races in 2002 with only a 3rd and a 4th place to show for it.

Former teammates Jenson Button and Rubens Barrichello both looked like equalling Jarier's achievement by scoring 3 poles before their first wins.

JPM won at Monza in his rookie season - 2001

#10 A.Fant

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Posted 02 June 2012 - 14:45

JPM won at Monza in his rookie season - 2001


Well yes, I wasn't talking about poles until his first win though (he "only" had two like Arnoux, and won from his third), the post might have been unclear. He actually failed to convert 7 straight poles after his first win, but that is dwarfed in comparison to Arnoux, so I didn't bother writing it.

But pole in 5 consecutive races and only a 3rd and 4th place is OTOH something unique and worth mentioning.

Edited by A.Fant, 02 June 2012 - 14:46.


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Posted 02 June 2012 - 15:42

:lol: Took me several minutes before I got it. :blush:

Same. :p

Edited by Boxerevo, 02 June 2012 - 15:43.


#12 Muz Bee

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Posted 02 June 2012 - 19:53

Thanks Ensign! :rotfl:

#13 mymemoryfails

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 00:36

just read Motorport magazine article and was shocked by this one:

Teo Fabi had 3 pole positions but never led a lap of a GP!

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#14 Zippel

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 00:44

just read Motorport magazine article and was shocked by this one:

Teo Fabi had 3 pole positions but never led a lap of a GP!

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Actually, didn't he inherit the lead from Berger at the 86 Austrian GP only for his own car to fail soon after? :lol:

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 10:13

Actually, didn't he inherit the lead from Berger at the 86 Austrian GP only for his own car to fail soon after? :lol:


Anorakish question: did he lead at the start-finish line? If not, it doesn't count in the statistics. :rotfl:

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 10:24

Anorakish question: did he lead at the start-finish line? If not, it doesn't count in the statistics. :rotfl:

Here it is:

He led an F1 race for all of two corners :p

#17 mymemoryfails

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 10:28

Actually, didn't he inherit the lead from Berger at the 86 Austrian GP only for his own car to fail soon after? :lol:


Reading here says he missed a gear a few laps before passing Berger , and "a few yards" after taking the lead, his engine went out to lunch. ):


edit -spillage beat me to it - with vision - thanks

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Edited by mymemoryfails, 04 June 2012 - 10:30.


#18 mymemoryfails

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 10:33

Anorakish question: did he lead at the start-finish line? If not, it doesn't count in the statistics. :rotfl:


Well in Italy his engine stalled on the formation lap and had to start from the rear of the grid,... so no in that instance :o

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#19 Oho

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 12:39

I'm Pole from Warsaw :rotfl:


And it makes you one of the reasons Europe can not be integrated....

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#20 JamesRaynor

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 12:01

Actually, didn't he inherit the lead from Berger at the 86 Austrian GP only for his own car to fail soon after? :lol:


Sounds like he was the first Alesi. :p