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#1 Gatmo

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 17:05

All from Mallory Park i believe.....

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I couldn't find an appropriate thread to add this to but if there is, please feel free to move it.....

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#2 David McKinney

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 17:35

Bottom one must be 1956 or 1957, as POY780 was Jack Richards's Lotus XI, which was raced by a variety of drivers, and which went to Denmark in 1958

That would make it too early for the Turner to be the W/Cdr Mackenzie car

#3 Gatmo

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 18:32

Thanks David, interesting stuff.

#4 john medley

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 20:11

#4 John Fenning?

#5 Tim Murray

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 20:52

Might this one be the FJ race?

http://www.formula2.net/FJ61_GB67.htm

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 20:53

Assuming the sseaters are 1961 at the earliest as the rear car is a 20, and it is an FJ race, and the man in 9 looks like Richard Attwood, the meeting is probably the NSCC event on 3.9.61. Attwood in no 9 Cooper T56 Ford Holbay, 2nd, with no 7 in the other shot, T56 BMC, John Rhodes as the winner. John is right in that case as Fenning was in an 18 no 4. There was a whole raft of drivers in 20s, Jack Pitcher, Rod Bloor, Reg Brown, Brian Berrow Johnson and Jack Pearce as finishers, with a couple of others who dnq.
Both Coopers were Midland racing partnership entries.

The Turner is a puzzle, although Pat Fergusson ran a 1220 Climax enginged car with the lights fared in like that, but so did someone else, whose name escapes me, but from memory their period would clash with David's details of then the other car shipped abroad.
Perhaps Turner registrar Russell Filby can help.
Roger Lund

Edited by bradbury west, 03 June 2012 - 21:02.


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Posted 03 June 2012 - 21:25

Posted ImageThe last picture must be from 1960,a September race meeting at Mallory Park.The Turner in the picture is the one and only TATTY TURNER.Its first race run by the Nottingham Sports Car Club at Mallory was 31st of July.The commentator gave the nickname as the unpainted recently built car raced through the field as Pat Ferguson became more accustomed to to it.The car was painted in the August and won the September 1500cc race at Mallory.The next year it gained a go faster stripe front to rear.Still around was rebuilt a few years ago.

#8 Gatmo

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 21:26

Thanks for the replies, the level of information available on here never ceases to amaze.

#9 Turnersportscars

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 11:36

Great Photos! - The 3rd photo is indeed Tatty Turner , Driver J.P Fergusson (Pat)
I think the number on Tatty is 118? If so then it had an entry at Mallory under this number 07/08/1961 Nottingham Sports Car Club race meeting
Event 1 - 10 Lap Large Sports Racing Cars Upto 1100cc and Event 4 - 10 Laps Sportscars upto 1200cc

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 11:41

Assuming the sseaters are 1961 at the earliest as the rear car is a 20, and it is an FJ race, and the man in 9 looks like Richard Attwood, the meeting is probably the NSCC event on 3.9.61. Attwood in no 9 Cooper T56 Ford Holbay, 2nd, with no 7 in the other shot, T56 BMC, John Rhodes as the winner. John is right in that case as Fenning was in an 18 no 4. There was a whole raft of drivers in 20s, Jack Pitcher, Rod Bloor, Reg Brown, Brian Berrow Johnson and Jack Pearce as finishers, with a couple of others who dnq.
Both Coopers were Midland racing partnership entries.

The Turner is a puzzle, although Pat Fergusson ran a 1220 Climax enginged car with the lights fared in like that, but so did someone else, whose name escapes me, but from memory their period would clash with David's details of then the other car shipped abroad.
Perhaps Turner registrar Russell Filby can help.
Roger Lund


Tatty ran 1098cc and 1220cc engines a little later , Tatty was one of 3 cars that formed Team Turner and ran by Gordon Unsworth of Motorway Sales (Turner Agents in Derby) , The other 2 cars were driven by John Seabrook and Brian Bennett and had the lights fared as Tatty but each had a different colour stripe. You can see more on these cars at http://www.turnerspo...photosteam.html Posted Image

#11 David McKinney

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 11:56

That sounds a definitive answer, and gives the lie to my information that the Lotus XI went to Denmark in 1958...

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 12:19

Assuming the sseaters are 1961 at the earliest as the rear car is a 20, and it is an FJ race, and the man in 9 looks like Richard Attwood, the meeting is probably the NSCC event on 3.9.61. Attwood in no 9 Cooper T56 Ford Holbay, 2nd, with no 7 in the other shot, T56 BMC, John Rhodes as the winner. John is right in that case as Fenning was in an 18 no 4. There was a whole raft of drivers in 20s, Jack Pitcher, Rod Bloor, Reg Brown, Brian Berrow Johnson and Jack Pearce as finishers, with a couple of others who dnq.
Both Coopers were Midland racing partnership entries.

The Turner is a puzzle, although Pat Fergusson ran a 1220 Climax enginged car with the lights fared in like that, but so did someone else, whose name escapes me, but from memory their period would clash with David's details of then the other car shipped abroad.
Perhaps Turner registrar Russell Filby can help.
Roger Lund

Regarding pictures 1 and 2: You must be spot on about the date - the 14th round of the B.R.S.C.C. championship must've been held in the wet, as Rhodes won the 15 lap final in 16 minutes 33,6 seconds. The previous 15 lap Formula Junior race at Mallory (June 23, 1961) was won by Jack Pearce in a Lotus 20 in 14 minutes and 30,6 seconds. Those two minutes equals 120 seconds for the 15 laps, which means the average lap time of the winner was eight seconds slower at the September 3 meeting.

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 13:08

.... The other 2 cars were driven by John Seabrook and Brian Bennett and had the lights fared as Tatty but each had a different colour stripe.

Russell, many thanks. It was Seabrook whom I recalled, Bennett whom I had obviously forgotten. There was also a Mike White in a BMC engined version too, IIRC, but not a team car.
BTW are Messrs Seabrook ansd Bennett still with us as I would welcome contact and conversation with them if possible.
Roger Lund

Note; Tim, sorry I did not see your post as I was busy tryping at the same time as you posted- see post times.
Roger

Edited by bradbury west, 04 June 2012 - 13:09.


#14 Tim Murray

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 14:13

Note; Tim, sorry I did not see your post as I was busy tryping at the same time as you posted- see post times.
Roger

No problem, Roger, I realised that was what had happened. Thanks. :)