Posted 08 June 2012 - 07:44
However, I find that on one website, this entry was not there because the car was 'not ready'.
The DSJ comment comes, naturally, from Motor Sport but the report of that race is very sketchy, running to barely two-thirds of one column. I wonder what Autosport has to say about it?
One other thing from that race. Chris Bristow drove a British Racing Partnership Cooper T.51 which was, according to a Cooper book by someone we all know and love, was chassis F2-1-59. This seems to have been the chassis that had been run in F.2 that season equipped with a Borgward engine but it is shown as being Climax-powered at Oulton Park and judging by its lap times was clearly a full 2.5 litre car. Indeed, DCN lists it as such. Having consulted my Ken Gregory book I find that this race was the first that the B.R.P car was entered under the Yeoman Credit name but Gregory does not mention anything about the change of engine.
I also notice that at Snetterton two weks later, Bristow was back in the F.2 car F2-2-59 while of F2-1-59 there was no sign. I wonder why they did not put Bristow in the F.1-engined car again given that he had finished a good third in Cheshire albeit over a minute and a half behind a certain S. Moss.
I suppose I'm not actually seeking anything in particular surrounding these facts - I'm just admitting to the fact that I never realised B.R.P ran a Climax-engined F.1 car in 1959.
One final thing; I did an Images search for that race and turned up the Autosport cover from the week after. It shows a picture of the start and right in the right-hand corner there appears to be a car that is not dark green. It looks silver and I am wondering what it is. Could it be the mysterious John Brown - A.F.M-B.R.M ?
But then, it's just another example of something that I never knew I didn't know!
Posted 08 June 2012 - 07:52
A (the?) Yeoman Credit 2.5 Cooper was also raced at Watkins Glen in late 1959 and in the January 1960 NZ Grand Prix, both times with S Moss as driver
John Brown's car was of course an AFM-BMW but didn't start
Posted 08 June 2012 - 08:48
Posted 08 June 2012 - 08:55
Posted 08 June 2012 - 08:55
I think we've discussed John Brown's entry before but there's a picture in Motor Sport showing Moss passing a stationary front-engined car which is said to be Brown's. It could be practice I suppose.
Posted 08 June 2012 - 08:58
The question still remains. SOMEBODY thought the B.R.M was insufficiently fast; Raymond Mays? Jo Bonnier? ????
Posted 08 June 2012 - 09:21
There are two earlier threads on the John Brown AFM at Oulton:
Oulton Park 1959 AFM
but we don’t seem to have reached a definite conclusion as to whether it actually started the race.
Posted 08 June 2012 - 09:42
As for John Brown, I thought we'd concluded he retired after one lap. That's what I have anyway...
Posted 08 June 2012 - 15:27
Posted 08 June 2012 - 16:35
David might not be sure but I am as I was with John that day. In the usual panic the engine, which could be run as a 2 litre or a 11/2, hadf apparently had the two sets of components mixed up to John's great embarassment. John was an RAF fast jet pilot living in married quarters at RAF Wilmslow whilst attached to Airwork at Ringway.
Are you sure it didn't actually start, David.
Posted 08 June 2012 - 16:39
Apologies - the grid I looked at in Autosport (because that was the source Barry asked about) didn't have Brown, but F1R has, and indeed lists him as a retirement after one lap
If my memory serves me correctly David he didn't even get a proper timed practice lap in.
That bit I am sure of.
Having thought about this whilst I had supper, I remember talking to John in the paddock when he explained his difficulties in getting the engine to run cleanly. It was more than a week later that he found the cause of the problems. In the paddock he said something to the effect that it was pointless going on.
I think that I then went off to Island Bend with Peter Beswick who was the Observer there, I must assume that because he didn't make it round that I assumed that he did not start. Apologies for any misleading comment
Edited by Sharman, 08 June 2012 - 17:59.
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