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#1 Rol

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 09:53

Anyone is free to beleive in luck if he wants, but a few things did happen in Montreal that make you puzzled.
Three major failures, where proper communication between MS and team would have made a difference.

1. Running out of time in qualification: As discussed in other topics, MS was running a very slow lap (1.21s) before missing the green light by 0.04 seconds.
Isn't this something the team could proactively indicate. It is terrible enough to let him out so late, but why did the team not say he needs to push a bit more in that lap.
Just imagine MS had to listen to this, Team: "Keep it slow Michael, this is not your flying lap". MS: "Keeping it slow". Team: "Take it easy, just warm up your tires". MS: "Taking easy, warming up tires." Team: Ooops Michael, now you can just get into the pits, you have missed the green light by 0.04 seconds.".

2. First pit stop, letting MS out just behind very slow cars: Ross Brawn has said they wanted to take him out to put back in free air with first pit stop, so I am sure this is how they convinced MS to come out so early, in spite of having good pace. Just how in the earth can you miscalculate this so badly? Just imagine being MS had to listen to this, Team: "We get you out early to get ahead in free air."; MS: " But there is still a lot of pace in my tires, are you sure about free air?" Team: "Yes, we must do it, we don't have top speed, need to get free air". MS: "That is fine, I am coming in".... Team: "Ooops we did not quite get it, there are cars ahead even slower... your race is over, but we are thinking hard of a mechanical failure so that you can save gearbox and engine for next race."

3. DRS failure NOT known to MS: In the interview with MS, he sais, he had no idea of his DRS being open before he ran out of track. Now, how in the earth could the team not see this, and not let him know in time. What are they doing if they are not watching the car and the telemetric data during the race. Not telling the driver about an issue of this kind, is carelessly risking his life. Just imaging MS had to listen to this, MS: "I ran wide, because the DRS is stuck open." Team: "Oh, we see it as well. We were thinking you left it open on porpuse. Hope you are alright. Just come in, we will fix it quickly." MS: "Thanks in advance for your help."

Now, coming out of a race weekend like that, and not saying a bad word about your team. That is character.

F1 is certainly a character building business, but it is also other things. So beside apologies from Brawn and Haug, I would like to see people who take responsibily. As long as you are talking only about bad luck, there is noone hold responsible. Anyone would be a fool to think that this way it will just suddenly change to the better.

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#2 RockyRaccoon68

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:05

The replay showed his DRS was open during his scheduled pit stop but the team still let him go, I was gobsmacked!

#3 1Devil1

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:13

Michael should stand up and say something in public I can't imagine that anybody would criticize him for that. The team let him down the whole season and he is backing up the team? I know he is team player and normally it is the best way to stay calm and work with your team to fix the problem. But this is more comical than anything else. In my wet dreams he is leaving mercedes to ferrari to help fernando to win his next championship and get some decent results and wins and retire. Schumacher is ferrari and it is a shame that he has to retire staying with this clown club :rolleyes:

#4 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:24

I agree. Stand up and say something Michael.

By Schumacher not saying anything, it gives the team a feeling of complacency "Phew! Got away from a bollocking AGAIN!!!! High five lads"

I imagine if it was Alonso, he would be very critical of the team to the extent no-one would want to approach him. Schumacher's mechanics seem to have long faces but nothing else.

Anyway, Schumacher will quit with a very bemused look on his face at the end of the season thinking how can a team get it so so so wrong consistently to the point where they are utterly incapable of fielding two reliable cars at the same time on the same track.

#5 Jon83

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:30

He showed a lot of class again yesterday. Instead of moaning and whining the way some drivers did, commented on Rosberg and how he could at least pull some decent points in.



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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:36

You can't be successful with class acting. The team always says after their mistakes we will do it better the next time. I believe next time will be the last race in brazil. I agree it shows his class and in his ferraris days it was a nice strategy to back up your team in public, normally every driver should do so, to stay calm and work out the problems, but his approach to work with team in silence doesn't work. If he stands up the pressure would be much higher from the side of mercedes company, and perhaps Brown and Haug would change their statements.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:39

Michael will always keep his cool towards the outside world. He knows it won't do anythng but damage the team if he comes out publicly slating the team.

I trust he will be a completely different story behind the scenes.

#8 Jon83

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:40

You can't be successful with class acting. The team always says after their mistakes we will do it better the next time. I believe next time will be the last race in brazil. I agree it shows his class and in his ferraris days it was a nice strategy to back up your team in public, normally every driver should do so, to stay calm and work out the problems, but his approach to work with team in silence doesn't work. If he stands up the pressure would be much higher from the side of mercedes company, and perhaps Brown and Haug would change their statements.


We have no idea what is happening behind the scenes though.

I don't really see what coming out publicly would achieve. What happened yesterday happened. It isn't as if the team planned it.

He has had an incredible amount of bad luck. It's a shame that one or two pundits on TV seem to be revelling in it.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:57

Michael will always keep his cool towards the outside world. He knows it won't do anythng but damage the team if he comes out publicly slating the team.

I trust he will be a completely different story behind the scenes.


Completely agree with this. I remember in 2010 when all the issues was hitting him as well, at the end of the season someone, maybe Haug, mentioned how michael wanted answers when a pattern started to emerge.

I think it's immensely professional of him to keep it cool in the public, but I trust behind the scenes he'd want some answers "now like in yesterday".

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 11:20

Behind the scene i think he put a lot of pressure on the team. He is like that, and it was like that at Ferrari. It's not necessary to speak bad about your team in the press, it's much better to say how good is Rosberg and say "Rosberg form show how strong is our car ".

Yesterday, it was very very very dangerous. Imagine Schumacher on the back straight, with DRS open... Or the same problem at Monza, before the first chicane. Really, it's very dangerous.

Edited by Massa, 11 June 2012 - 11:20.


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Posted 11 June 2012 - 12:54

Imagine this problem had arose at Silverstone or Spa and he'd gone in to Copse or Eau Rouge with his DRS stuck open?



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Posted 11 June 2012 - 13:00

Imagine this problem had arose at Silverstone or Spa and he'd gone in to Copse or Eau Rouge with his DRS stuck open?


Very worrying.

At a time when they are even considering enclosing cockpits due to safety concerns, it is hard to see this not coming under greater scrutiny.

I'm sure I heard (on sky I think) yesterday that the drivers don't really want it. Or it may have just been in relation to practice and qualy.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 13:16

Imagine this problem had arose at Silverstone or Spa and he'd gone in to Copse or Eau Rouge with his DRS stuck open?



Yes... Sadly. And the FIA will wait for this sort of drama to ban the DRS.

#14 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 13:46

Yesterday, it was very very very dangerous. Imagine Schumacher on the back straight, with DRS open... Or the same problem at Monza, before the first chicane. Really, it's very dangerous.

I think Canada & Monza are the "best" places to have this type of failure. No fast corners, low downforce settings anyway on the rear -> DRS effect smaller (i.e. the loss is not so big)

Lose it @ SPA at Eau Rouge and you're in deep sh!t.

edit: also the double DRS helped as he also had the FW stalled -> the car was not so rear sensitive

Edited by MikeTekRacing, 11 June 2012 - 13:47.


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Posted 11 June 2012 - 14:07

The replay showed his DRS was open during his scheduled pit stop but the team still let him go, I was gobsmacked!

That was the problem - the team let him go out with RFA wide open. I think investigation from FIA is the logical thing to do.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 14:09

I think Canada & Monza are the "best" places to have this type of failure. No fast corners, low downforce settings anyway on the rear -> DRS effect smaller (i.e. the loss is not so big)

Lose it @ SPA at Eau Rouge and you're in deep sh!t.

edit: also the double DRS helped as he also had the FW stalled -> the car was not so rear sensitive


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#17 slideways

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 14:11

The replay showed his DRS was open during his scheduled pit stop but the team still let him go, I was gobsmacked!


Same here... unbelievable.

He showed a lot of class again yesterday. Instead of moaning and whining the way some drivers did, commented on Rosberg and how he could at least pull some decent points in.


Agreed! One thing you can say about Schumacher is his loyalty to the team.