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#1 jrg19

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 20:56

Between Michael, Kimi and Romain?

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#2 MaCamZaF1

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 20:57

no.

#3 Longtimefan

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 21:03

Kimi or Romain maybe, certainly not Michael, Merc won't let him finish and he doesn't like that track much anyway.


#4 Group B

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 21:06

Between Michael, Kimi and Romain?

Outside bet on Perez, perhaps, but RG seems promising if he can survive the first lap. Kimi a bit flat lately, but Michael is really, REALLY due a clean, reliable, lucky race, so ...

#5 Abranet

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 21:06

Can't see it being another new winner - perhaps if Lotus get their qualifying sorted out then they could challenge.

Edited by ForeverF1, 12 June 2012 - 21:39.
Removed "Hopefully Alonso will come out on top." Not in this thread.


#6 UPRC

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 21:10

Between Michael, Kimi and Romain?


Come on now.... REALLY? :lol:

#7 cutchemist42

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 21:20

I can't see 1 this time around. I expect Michael to never finish another race this year, plus he's looked bad both times at this track. I just think the Lotus can at best challenge for 2nds and 3rds. Bahrain showed what RBR can do if a Lotus ever came close.

#8 Dolph

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 21:22

Come on now.... REALLY? :lol:


Why not, he's done it 91 times before.

#9 Scotracer

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 21:37

No chance of Michael...Mercedes will make sure of it!

#10 Atreiu

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 21:40

1. Valencia isn't a place for surprise winners.
2. It's usually very straightforward.
3. Overtaking has always been terribly difficult. It won't change this year unless they triple the DRS zones.


#11 sharo

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 21:50

Only Bernie and his prophet Paul can say :)

#12 Mandzipop

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 21:52

Surprisingly there are quite a few that I would put in potential contention for being first time winners (of this season) for this race. We have Kimi, Romain, Michael, Sergio, Massa (if Ferrari will allow it) and Bruno (if the Williams is still good enough). So it isn't unrealistic to think that there is the potential for being an 8th winner.

There are too many possibilities to suggest that there won't be an 8th winner in Valencia.

#13 Skinnyguy

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 21:53

I really hope Michael can pull a victory. Not that unlikely if he qualifies well. I´d discard Lotus boys unless something bizarre happens Saturday, or they can do 1 less stop again.

#14 weareracing

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 22:26

And let's not forget how tyre management can mix up the finishing positions too!
It would be amazing IF an 8th different driver was to claim victory in Valencia, if it WAS to happen then I'd favour the Lotus team to provide the winning car.
However, this time I'm backing a repeat winner.

#15 muramasa

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 22:46


8th dif winner or quit watching F1.

Edited by muramasa, 12 June 2012 - 22:47.


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Posted 13 June 2012 - 00:57

Time for a win for Perez !

#17 BigCHrome

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 04:05

Surprisingly there are quite a few that I would put in potential contention for being first time winners (of this season) for this race. We have Kimi, Romain, Michael, Sergio, Massa (if Ferrari will allow it) and Bruno (if the Williams is still good enough). So it isn't unrealistic to think that there is the potential for being an 8th winner.

There are too many possibilities to suggest that there won't be an 8th winner in Valencia.


No way, Senna is horrible. I'll eat my hat if he ever wins a race (excluding wet races, cuz they are 50% luck).


I think Lotus can definitely win, if the weather smiles on them. Michael is a possibility but I don't think it will happen this race.

I think Red Bull are the favorites, though it will depend on who can get the tires in the working range.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 04:11

Maybe the Lotus boys, but my bet is for a repeat winner this time round.

#19 jonpollak

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 04:34

We need more Checo love on here....
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#20 apoka

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 05:40

Despite all the weirdness in 2012, Hamilton, Alonso and Vettel are the only drivers with >10% chance to win the WDC. I wouldn't be surprised if F1 returns to becoming a bit more practicable and one of them winning the Valencia GP. Vettel has been excellent at this track, but in the end it may be just tiny details deciding the GP.

#21 aray

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 06:32

Surprisingly there are quite a few that I would put in potential contention for being first time winners (of this season) for this race. We have Kimi, Romain, Michael, Sergio, Massa (if Ferrari will allow it) and Bruno (if the Williams is still good enough). So it isn't unrealistic to think that there is the potential for being an 8th winner.

There are too many possibilities to suggest that there won't be an 8th winner in Valencia.

you even put bruno,but ignored kobayashi...

Edited by ForeverF1, 13 June 2012 - 06:37.
Removed disparaging ":rolleyes:"


#22 Baddoer

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 06:41

No. Time to stop it.

#23 Creepy

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 06:49

I think Massa could win, I think he did well when he had his mojo.
Also, Kimi could also be potentially a winner here. I hope if Mercedes has the pace it's Schumacher who wins, not that much for the shake of the 8th winner but because I cannot stand Barbie because of his jazz moves on track vs. Alonso and Hamilton.
Grosjean could also win.
Kobayashi anyone?

#24 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 08:45

I pick Grosjean

Michael - another DNF

If I was a betting man I'd have a punt on Schumacher having another DNF

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 08:53

I pick Grosjean

Michael - another DNF

If I was a betting man I'd have a punt on Schumacher having another DNF


After Monaco qualifying your post would be in reverse.

Michael's in great form, this negativity is getting downright silly. So the car is breaking, it's a big deal, but it's a much better situation to prior seasons when occasionally he simply wasn't driving well at all.

As this is Valencia, which is never a classic, I am going for a Vettel lights to flag victory and no eighth winner.

Edited by Disgrace, 13 June 2012 - 08:54.


#26 george1981

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 09:19

I'd say Michael will either have a strong result or another DNF. It's hard to overtake so if he qualifies well with the DDRS he might be on for a good result until the car breaks or Grosjean hits him.

#27 Henri Greuter

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 09:38

The odds on yet another new winner are getting rather small by now.
More of the top 5 drivers have won their first race, the number of they who have yet to win a race getting smaller again.
Another new winner this season is still very possible but i think that by now we're gonna get a first two-time winner this season.

Henri

#28 froggy22

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 10:24

Massa is quite good round this track..........

#29 Jon83

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 10:26

I don't think we will. Alonso is good round there. Could be between him and Hamilton again. Also half-expecting Mercedes to be pretty decent here.

#30 Mc_Silver

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 10:30

I expect strong lotus there. Valencia Gp is gonna be pretty hot

#31 Jon83

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 10:30

Kimi or Romain maybe, certainly not Michael, Merc won't let him finish and he doesn't like that track much anyway.


:lol:

Love this mentality. When a driver doesn't win/finish, it's because the team deliberately made sure this wouldn't be possible.

Brilliant!

#32 Brandz07

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:34

I don't think it's going to happen.

#33 cruck12

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:44

Boring race. :wave:

Lights to flag victory for Massa :smoking:

#34 krapmeister

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:47

I feel that we will see the first repeat winner of the season - and seeing as it's Valencia, that definately won't be Mark Webber...

#35 Cavani

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 14:34

Boring race. :wave:

Lights to flag victory for Massa :smoking:

if that is the case , it wont be boring at all , he slide ,spin and literally crawl to the finish line in style

Edited by Cavani, 13 June 2012 - 14:39.


#36 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 14:51

:lol:

Love this mentality. When a driver doesn't win/finish, it's because the team deliberately made sure this wouldn't be possible.

Brilliant!

not deliberately but they kind of make sure this isn't possible :)

#37 fieraku

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 14:58

Grosejan was in line to win (french)Canadian GP but LH deviated from the 'plan' and took it.It was the French anthem the one to be played in a city where 70% speak the language.
Bernie thought well giving RoGro tires that set fast flyers after :eek: 50laps :eek: and still had life in them.Hmmmm,coincidence?

Will Buxton interviewed Bernie after the race and he didn't seem happy :D and when asked ''Who will win next?" Bernie said "We'll see"

So only he knows.



#38 PNSD

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 15:13

Grosejan was in line to win (french)Canadian GP but LH deviated from the 'plan' and took it.



:s

The plan was ALWAYS to two stop. Hence Lewis asking the team if they were sure about it. And hence MW confirming to Brundle a two stop was quicker.

Lewis deviated from nothing.

Mclaren just got it perfectly for him.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 15:16

It's gonna be hot, the Lotuses might like that weather.

But anyway, it's Seb who's gonna win I'm afraid.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 15:16

Lotus have excellent tyres in the heat - see Bahrain and Canada.

Grojean could pull it off.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 15:55

This is the first time I'd bet against having a new winner. In any case I doubt this record will be broken in some time.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 16:24

I don't think Michael hate this track. 2010 he was third ,before pitstop red light. Last year some crash with Petrov finish his race.

#43 Jimisgod

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 16:32

The winner gets the prize of not having to return in 2013, so there is incentive.

#44 DrProzac

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 21:03

I;m afraid it won't happen. Though it would be cool.

#45 Calorus

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 21:25

Nope. Will be one of Vettel, Alonso or Hamilton... If it did, my money would be on Perez.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 22:31

Pirelli and Hembery : "8th winner is our goal!"

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 22:47

Surprisingly there are quite a few that I would put in potential contention for being first time winners (of this season) for this race. We have Kimi, Romain, Michael, Sergio, Massa (if Ferrari will allow it) and Bruno (if the Williams is still good enough). So it isn't unrealistic to think that there is the potential for being an 8th winner.

There are too many possibilities to suggest that there won't be an 8th winner in Valencia.


Sergio Perez - he is the real tyre whisperer around the streets of Valencia.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 23:04

I don't think Michael hate this track. 2010 he was third ,before pitstop red light. Last year some crash with Petrov finish his race.



I think you have a point.


1. Valencia isn't a place for surprise winners.
2. It's usually very straightforward.
3. Overtaking has always been terribly difficult. It won't change this year unless they triple the DRS zones.



The thing with Michael this year is his qualifying has been very good when car is working and team do their job. And if Mercedes are competitive there, and that's a if, if he can qualify well, which is the key for the race, he'll have a chance. I do think though Valencia like China is Rosberg's strong tracks. Rosberg may actually be a contender for the win here.

Nothing will be easy for Michael, but he's up for it, he's been up for it since race 1, crazy he's got 2 points.



I would like to see Kimi win as Lotus could of already won something. Kimi or Michael. Or Kimi vs Michael for the win, that would be cool. It's weird to be calling them both ex ferrari drivers and ex ferrari champions. Time flies.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 23:06

http://www.worldweat...enciana/ES.aspx

The long range forecast shows 31c and sunny for qualifying and 33C and sunny for the race. With this heat the Lotus's or the Sauber's could possibly produce winner #8.

#50 Juan Kerr

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 23:07

I think Hamilton will win again to suddenly put an end to that sequence. Then everyone will harp on about that's it now its all back to normal the lucky tyres is a thing of the past etc but it'll just be down to circumstances as usual. THE most powerful thing in any sport or in any walk of life, circumstances.