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#1 walkindude

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 09:38

Boullier says holding Formula 1's young driver test at Silverstone in July is nonsense

Lotus team principal Eric Boullier has slammed plans to hold Formula 1's young driver test at Silverstone in July as 'nonsense' - and hopes bad weather forces it to be cancelled.

As AUTOSPORT revealed, F1's young driver test is being split into two venues this year, with 10 teams currently electing to run immediately after the British Grand Prix and only Red Bull Racing and Scuderia Toro Rosso opting to run in Abu Dhabi in November.

But Boullier is deeply critical of the Silverstone decision, which he thinks only makes sense from a cost perspective.

"It's a bit disappointing, to be honest," Boullier told AUTOSPORT. "I am a supporter of young drivers, and for me Abu Dhabi [in November] was the perfect scenario.

"The young kids finish the season, and you can organise this test in a hot, nice place, with nice variety. So I was actually a bit cross with the decision to bring it earlier to Silverstone.

"We had a strong discussion, let's say, and definitely I was against this, especially for the reasons raised. For me it is absolutely a nonsense to have a young driver test in July when all the young kids are in the middle of the season and focused on racing and the championship. We cannot disturb this. It is completely the wrong timing.

"You also have another issue: bringing this test in the middle of the season you have to consider there will be a different point of view for the team; and as a team it's another opportunity to develop the car and bring some parts to test."

Despite his criticisms of the Silverstone plan, Boullier says he had no choice but to sign his outfit up for it rather than Abu Dhabi because of cost and staffing reasons.

"Between choosing to go to Abu Dhabi for young drivers, which is very important for me, and Silverstone, I obviously have to choose what it best for the team and that is Silverstone.

"But actually I would like it to rain, so we will go back to the original schedule - which for me is the normal one."

Under the testing agreement that teams had signed up to, outfits can withdraw from Silverstone and switch to the Abu Dhabi test if there is a threat of it being disturbed by poor weather.

However, a team will be forced to commit to Silverstone if its car leaves the pitlane at the three-day test.


Is it just me or is Boullier talking a lot of BS these days?First he criticizes the Mugello test yet goes there.But that is understandable.But now he slams the silverstone test even though he has the option of going to abudhabi.But lotus WILL test in silverstone.But then he wants the tests to wash out so they go to abudhabi afterall?Was he sober when he said this?Or is his problem with all the other teams testing in silverstone.

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#2 AFistfulofEastwood

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 09:51

Hes got no idea about running an F1 team. Hes approaching a Ross Brawn level of incompetence

#3 icewest07

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 09:56

Hes got no idea about running an F1 team. Hes approaching a Ross Brawn level of incompetence


Um You mean the same Ross Brawn that won 5WDC and 6 WCC in a row in the early 00's then another one with his own team 3 years ago..? :rolleyes: Oh, wait that makes it 6WDC & 7WCC in one decade! :wave: Yeah sure "incompetence" is the right word there... :drunk:

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#4 Zava

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:00

Is it just me or is Boullier talking a lot of BS these days?First he criticizes the Mugello test yet goes there.But that is understandable.But now he slams the silverstone test even though he has the option of going to abudhabi.But lotus WILL test in silverstone.But then he wants the tests to wash out so they go to abudhabi afterall?Was he sober when he said this?Or is his problem with all the other teams testing in silverstone.

he doesn't like the idea, but also doesn't want to lose ground to the other teams who would test in-season. and the only way lotus can test in abu dhabi with the other teams not testing silverstone, is if it is washed up.
I don't like the guts of Boullier but this one seems perfectly reasonable for me.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:02

Um You mean the same Ross Brawn that won 5WDC and 6 WCC in a row in the early 00's then another one with his own team 3 years ago..? :rolleyes: Oh, wait that makes it 6WDC & 7WCC in one decade! :wave: Yeah sure "incompetence" is the right word there... :drunk:


Don't feed the troll.

#6 finignig

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:06

Is it just me or is Boullier talking a lot of BS these days?First he criticizes the Mugello test yet goes there.But that is understandable.But now he slams the silverstone test even though he has the option of going to abudhabi.But lotus WILL test in silverstone.But then he wants the tests to wash out so they go to abudhabi afterall?Was he sober when he said this?Or is his problem with all the other teams testing in silverstone.


Huh? I think you’re the one missing his point completely. He rather goes to Abu Dhabi but since most if not all teams are doing Silverstone it is therefore much cheaper to be part of the group test, and this is why he is going to Silverstone. Now if that gets disrupted for bad weather then they all get to go to Abu Dhabi, splitting the costs and all.

Edit: Zava’s above point about keeping up development with the other teams makes complete sense as well.

Edited by finignig, 07 May 2012 - 10:07.


#7 TheWilliamzer

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:35

Abu Dhabi and Silverstone are great places for the Young Drivers Test but IMO it don't make sense to hold it there because it's not the last round of the Championship where the teams can leave the equipment there and save the cost of shipping... So in my dictatorship it must be held in Brazil.

Edited by TheWilliamzer, 07 May 2012 - 10:36.


#8 Risil

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:50

Confusing. Boullier says that from a sporting perspective, the Abu Dhabi test makes much more sense. But because of its place in the calendar, it would be prohibitively expensive and difficult to conduct the test there -- especially given that one can't imagine why Lotus-Renault would want to change their driver line-up. But if everyone were forced to upset their staff and spend unnecessary money in this way, Boullier would be happy.

Sounds like someone who's not in overall control of the team and its resources, which we already know. Why Boullier is carrying out his negotiations with Lopez in the press though, who knows?

To be honest this is the problem with so many F1 races every year. NASCAR has 35 Sprint Cup races and stringent testing restrictions, and they seem to have trouble bringing through young drivers successfully as well. The best system was when teams could run young drivers in third cars on Fridays. Kubica, Vettel, Alonso and so on were all brought through this way, so it was phenomenally successful. Although maybe less so in EJ Viso's case. Now teams have to put themselves at a competitive disadvantage if they want to do it -- you imagine that Ferrari make Force India's running of Bianchi worth their while.

Edited by Risil, 07 May 2012 - 10:54.


#9 Sakae

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:52

Is it just me or is Boullier talking a lot of BS these days?


I think it's just you. The man has a reason. Focus, and try to think. His intelect is high, and it's not easy, but try nonetheless.

Edited by Sakae, 07 May 2012 - 12:01.


#10 iotar

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 11:09

'Teams' complain there's not enough test sessions and development of young drivers suffers. They pretend to care for the sport.

Then make everything to make YOUNG DRIVERS' TEST as meaningless as possible and turn it into regular mid-season test. With some logistic and Silverstone track benefits.

Same as with Mugello: they say one thing, do another and think something else. And then change their minds couple of times. Where is Ecclestone with his great ideas about the sport: medals system or grand slam? I bet this genius F1 mastermind has a clear plan about this.

#11 bub

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 11:20

Nobody else is complaining?

#12 6string

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 11:23

Boullier makes good and valid points. I agree with him.

#13 walkindude

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 12:16

I think it's just you. The man has a reason. Focus, and try to think. His intelect is high, and it's not easy, but try nonetheless.

Thankyou.I thought about it and I am a much better person now.

His reasoning is that it makes sense only in terms of the cost.That seems like they are not very confident about keeping up with development (as shown by his statement that Mugello was a great benefit to Ferrari).So this whole cost reasoning seems BS to me.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 12:22

Thankyou.I thought about it and I am a much better person now.

His reasoning is that it makes sense only in terms of the cost.That seems like they are not very confident about keeping up with development (as shown by his statement that Mugello was a great benefit to Ferrari).So this whole cost reasoning seems BS to me.


Yes, that might be true. But you can as easly say that whole young drivers test is BS because in Silverstone it will be used mainly to in season development and has less to do with evaluating young drivers

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 12:31

yep, that seems reasonable to presume that... but you would get the same thing with 3rd drivers in free practise sessions too..


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Posted 07 May 2012 - 12:37

The basic point that the time of the silverstone makes it very "interesting" to use the test for car development and not to test young drivers is very valid. When some teams will run the same drivers as in Mugello, it will be obvious.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 12:41

yep, that seems reasonable to presume that... but you would get the same thing with 3rd drivers in free practise sessions too..


Or indeed in any cases. It is unavoidable now that a driver has to be able to give feed back about anything he is driving in whatever situation he is. Well we can say that it has beenthis way for century. There is no comfort zone for a new commer in formula one where guys just get a joy of driving this machinery. A shiny one will in anycase beat the odds, like Kimi did. The other may fail eventhough he may have more budget to try.

So I question. What is his point? Is Boullier complainingabout team's expenses or teams' income? Should some potential driver with moeny compains that he is not able to drive formula one car without being given tasks to do testing in his car?

Edited by One, 07 May 2012 - 12:42.


#18 P123

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 12:45

If he feels that strongly about it then test in Abu Dhabi like the Red Bull teams. He claims it only makes sense in terms of costs...... well, isn't that what the teams have been telling us is the prime concern of F1 these days? And if costs are an issue is it really that different to Abu Dhabi where the team will have all their equipment there for the GP?

#19 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 12:47

The basic point that the time of the silverstone makes it very "interesting" to use the test for car development and not to test young drivers is very valid. When some teams will run the same drivers as in Mugello, it will be obvious.


Didn't mainly race drivers test at Mugello?

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 12:48

If he feels that strongly about it then test in Abu Dhabi like the Red Bull teams. He claims it only makes sense in terms of costs...... well, isn't that what the teams have been telling us is the prime concern of F1 these days? And if costs are an issue is it really that different to Abu Dhabi where the team will have all their equipment there for the GP?


Meaning young driver testing will demand engineers to rpoduce mroe stuffs to test hence a higher costs? Or is Boullier saying that sending test team to Silverstone alone costs already too high costs?

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 12:48

Obviously from last week comments, there is a group of teams that realized at the last minute that bringing in-season testing was a big mistake. Therefore, this group will moan and lobby against any attempt to have a chance at in-season testing.



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Posted 07 May 2012 - 12:50

he's saying people will be tempted to use the young driver test to just run their regular test drivers (remember the rules for "young driver" are pretty lax) and just evaluate new parts for the car instead of using the test for what it is meant to be, ie evaluating new talent. In that respect he has a point. And in that respect he'd be dumb not to attend and "abuse" the test, same as the other teams.

#23 Sakae

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 12:50

I am not sure why people do not take time to read all reasons Eric enumerated, as (a) cost was one, (b) potential cheating as related to development, instead drivers, © disruptive timing for driver-candidate, who is busy with his regular job. One can disagree with him, but in essence his comments are substantive and worth the time to debate.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 13:09

Is it just me or is Boullier talking a lot of BS these days?First he criticizes the Mugello test yet goes there.But that is understandable.But now he slams the silverstone test even though he has the option of going to abudhabi.But lotus WILL test in silverstone.But then he wants the tests to wash out so they go to abudhabi afterall?Was he sober when he said this?Or is his problem with all the other teams testing in silverstone.


Why should a team be forced to take on the expense of a "Junior Driver Day" ? Testing is so restrictive, budgets are being capped so why put someone with no F1 experience in a vehicle whic will cost 10,000 pounds per lap?

A young driver shows his credentials in a lesser team and then are put on the books of a richer team?


#25 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 13:09

he's saying people will be tempted to use the young driver test to just run their regular test drivers (remember the rules for "young driver" are pretty lax) and just evaluate new parts for the car instead of using the test for what it is meant to be, ie evaluating new talent. In that respect he has a point. And in that respect he'd be dumb not to attend and "abuse" the test, same as the other teams.


So they'd run the drivers they want rather than the drivers who pay?

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 13:17

So they'd run the drivers they want rather than the drivers who pay?


the point is what the test will gravitate towards, developing the car or evaluating the driver. In this case Boullier says it will be the former, you may disagree with him but branding it "BS" like the thread starter is a bit rich. Doesn't mean RB/STR won't do the same in Abu Dhabi just for their 2013 car, it's still not a nonsense opinion though.

Edited by engel, 07 May 2012 - 13:18.


#27 Dunder

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 13:20

Of course he has a point. Teams will use Silverstone like a regular test which they are much less able to do at the end of the season.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 13:20

he's saying people will be tempted to use the young driver test to just run their regular test drivers (remember the rules for "young driver" are pretty lax) and just evaluate new parts for the car instead of using the test for what it is meant to be, ie evaluating new talent. In that respect he has a point. And in that respect he'd be dumb not to attend and "abuse" the test, same as the other teams.


I think this is the basis for his hissy fit.. Boullier paints it as a secondary concern because he has to talk about a young driver test, but I think the worry is that it opens the door for more in-season testing.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 13:51

But to my observation there is no such thing as 'pure' driver observation in formula one, not in the current form nor in the past. It still does not mean that it cannot b done tho. It just that nature of competition inevitable asks for technical challenge as well as driving challenges at any given moment when you run a f1 car. you cannot rate driver being free from his technica ability. No driver will be praised because he is capable of driving a fast car quick enough.


Should formula one start a young driver testing based on 2 years old car then?

[edit] spell...

Edited by One, 07 May 2012 - 13:53.


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Posted 07 May 2012 - 14:11

I don't see the problem of testing during a test. Teams should be able to test what they want to test, this being younger drivers, car parts, etc. Top teams are already set with their drivers so they have lesser needs to test younger drivers that are not likely to drive for them in the near future. For them, it makes more sense to test parts as the championship fight will be at the most furious point of the season. Teams in the mid-pack and back of the pack will have more interest on running sponsored younger driver tests. Be it to try a future prospect or just to sell seat-time. Again, you test what you want to test and don't test if you don't want to.

It seems that the problem is that some teams are more worried about blocking other teams' tests than to test themselves.

Edited by fabr68, 07 May 2012 - 14:12.


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Posted 07 May 2012 - 14:37

there is a problem if you finally have a good car after few bad seasons and suddenly other teams use young driver's test for ugrading their cars, not to mention new homologation rules + real in-season testing this year.
if Lotus had car this good last season they could fight for championship, this year nothing is granted.

Edited by radosav, 07 May 2012 - 14:37.


#32 noikeee

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 23:24

I expect better from Autosport, this is one of those cases where the headline makes it seem like he's a maniac man spouting insanities, and the article shows a sound point of view. It's a Pitpass-level headline. The "I'd like it to rain" comment is an unfortunate bit that obviously can be spun into this. Read the sentence and it's obviously tongue-in-cheek.

I don't even like Boullier but don't condone journalistic malice. It's because of these things that everyone in F1 is afraid of speaking their minds and sound like robots programmed by Ron Dennis.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 02:46

FWIW, I agree with Boullier's comments :up:

#34 MaxisOne

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 03:56

If Boullier has such a big problem with it he can test when Red Bull does.

His argument about interrupting the jobs of the drivers in the junior formulae in my opinion is hogwash. If a decent F1 team is going to give any young driver a period of time to test their car hell yes they will make the time. F1 teams aren't begging for drivers. Drivers and/or their managers are clamoring at every f1 team principal's door. Including surprisingly HRT and Marrussia!.

His argument about development ?? That's his problem. NO ONE is stopping him from taking the same approach. There are no saints in F1. You take your opportunities and you max them out. If he doesn't want to develop the car during this test then someone give him the saints award and send him home.

The whole irony of his argument is that in the interest of his own team they are showing up. Well no shit.. that's what you were hired to do dumbo .. look out for your own team. I'm sure they will be trying to scrape a few tenths off the laptime as the rest of the teams during the session.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 04:26

I think he's got a good point. There's very little in-season testing now and when you give the teams the option to run a test of any sort in the middle of the season, they are going to put their car at the forefront of their priorities.

But I think there's a good opposing view as well - that developing F1 drivers will still get valuable laps in on a proper F1 circuit and they will also learn what is involved with working with the engineers and giving feedback for developmental purposes.

I dont think anybody is wrong here. Just two different ways of seeing it and it seems by the comments that Boullier understands this just fine.

Edited by Seanspeed, 08 May 2012 - 04:27.


#36 Italiano Tifoso

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 04:33

In season test sessions dont assist those teams with a performance advanage as much as those with issues to resolve.
I think this is the core of his concerns as they have a great package this year and dont want this advantage lost during the season.
He probably saw the upswing in Ferrari's performance at Mugello and would like to avoid this happening again at another in season test this year.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 04:38

In season test sessions dont assist those teams with a performance advanage as much as those with issues to resolve.
I think this is the core of his concerns as they have a great package this year and dont want this advantage lost during the season.
He probably saw the upswing in Ferrari's performance at Mugello and would like to avoid this happening again at another in season test this year.

I dont know about that. For one, its very unclear whether or not Ferrari has actually made any big 'upswing' in performance. And if they did, a few drivers/teams have been right in saying that Mugello isn't quite like most other circuits, being mainly just high-speed corners with virtually no slow-speed acceleration zones, so results here could be unrepresentative of what it'll be like at Barcelona and other tracks.

I'd say that line of thinking is a bit paranoid. His argument is that young drivers would best be served by having a test done outside the season, where development isn't a priority and they can click off laps without the team worrying more about gathering car data than evaluating the drivers. A very valid concern, in my opinion.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 08:48

Maybe it is the language but Boullier just doesn't seem smart. He is probably the weakest part of the Lotus team these days.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 10:30

Horner attacked benefits of testing at Mugello, than he says nothing about Silverstone, yet no one questions his motives and position. A lot of people in here, Autosport included, seems to be attacking messenger, Boullier, rather than a message, and that's not right by any stretch of imagination.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 14:14

If Boullier has such a big problem with it he can test when Red Bull does.

His argument about interrupting the jobs of the drivers in the junior formulae in my opinion is hogwash. If a decent F1 team is going to give any young driver a period of time to test their car hell yes they will make the time. F1 teams aren't begging for drivers. Drivers and/or their managers are clamoring at every f1 team principal's door. Including surprisingly HRT and Marrussia!.

His argument about development ?? That's his problem. NO ONE is stopping him from taking the same approach. There are no saints in F1. You take your opportunities and you max them out. If he doesn't want to develop the car during this test then someone give him the saints award and send him home.

The whole irony of his argument is that in the interest of his own team they are showing up. Well no shit.. that's what you were hired to do dumbo .. look out for your own team. I'm sure they will be trying to scrape a few tenths off the laptime as the rest of the teams during the session.


I don't understand your line of thinking at all. Take a chill pill? Stop sticking needles into your Boullier voodoo doll for a minute?

For his team he is always obliged to do the best he can, and under the current rules he has to go to Silverstone and do development work. He reckons this. He also remarks that for the sport and for the drivers it'd be better if the rules were different. That's entirely correct, he explicitly separates both parts' interests and talks about it, what's wrong with that?

Of course drivers will take every opportunity they can, desperately so. Doesn't invalidate that a post-season test would be more value for them than a mid-season test. Mid-season it'll be all about testing the parts as much as possible and improving the car, late season it'll be almost exclusively about driver training and evaluating. The later is far more useful if you're having your first or second go at a F1 car.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 14:28

Horner attacked benefits of testing at Mugello, than he says nothing about Silverstone, yet no one questions his motives and position. A lot of people in here, Autosport included, seems to be attacking messenger, Boullier, rather than a message, and that's not right by any stretch of imagination.


Why would anyone question Horner attitude on testing at Silverstone when RB won't be there....

RB & TR are going to Abu Dhabi to do 2013 car work in private, everyone else is doing 2012 work at Silverstone and I highly doubt Horner has much of an opinion on what everyone else does.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 14:33

They run parts at the young driver test when it's at the end of the season too. Which is far more valuable than seeing how fast a guy can go, that they don't have much intention of using.

The young driver test is an income source for a lot of the teams. End of.

#43 noikeee

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 15:48

They run parts at the young driver test when it's at the end of the season too. Which is far more valuable than seeing how fast a guy can go, that they don't have much intention of using.


They run parts too but it's one thing to be under the intense pressure of getting those extra tenths before the next race, another to bolt in some stuff that may or may not appear in next years car. If next years car is very different or under new regulations, they may as well just try to get some data out of the established car as a baseline for when they test the new car.

The young driver test is an income source for a lot of the teams. End of.


An income source they can't exploit as much when they're trying to develop the car. That bolivian driver funded by his government to the rate of a million per lap, who spent the whole season in 22nd in GP2, probably won't give you great feedback. At the end of the season that doesn't matter so much. Mid-season you'll want "young drivers" like Paffett.

Don't forget Boullier does have a monetary interest in training (his) young drivers properly, given his connections to Gravity.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 01:56

I don't understand your line of thinking at all. Take a chill pill? Stop sticking needles into your Boullier voodoo doll for a minute?

For his team he is always obliged to do the best he can, and under the current rules he has to go to Silverstone and do development work. He reckons this. He also remarks that for the sport and for the drivers it'd be better if the rules were different. That's entirely correct, he explicitly separates both parts' interests and talks about it, what's wrong with that?

Of course drivers will take every opportunity they can, desperately so. Doesn't invalidate that a post-season test would be more value for them than a mid-season test. Mid-season it'll be all about testing the parts as much as possible and improving the car, late season it'll be almost exclusively about driver training and evaluating. The later is far more useful if you're having your first or second go at a F1 car.



First off im quite chilled .. so you can take your own advice since your so hot and bothered about my comments. :rolleyes:


Second, who died and appointed Boullier the grand caretaker and speaker for the drivers in the lower classes? If he wants to speak on behalf of the Dams drivers then thats certainly his jurisdiction to do so but i would be right pissed if someone is speaking on my behalf when i didnt ask them to. Especially on matters like this. His comments are clearly out of turn in respect to speaking for the other drivers.

It can also be argued that this Silverstone test is one of the best times for a young driver to learn how to deal with mid season development and how to assess parts/upgrades and such rather than at the end of the season. This is still an assessment by the teams after all and the drivers will learn how to provide the feedback the team needs so they actually have some development work under their belts come time for them to move up the formulae.

#45 AMG FAN

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 04:18

I am not sure why people do not take time to read all reasons Eric enumerated, as (a) cost was one, (b) potential cheating as related to development, instead drivers, © disruptive timing for driver-candidate, who is busy with his regular job. One can disagree with him, but in essence his comments are substantive and worth the time to debate.

yeah like that's not would happen in Abu Dhabi.

#46 noikeee

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 07:54

First off im quite chilled .. so you can take your own advice since your so hot and bothered about my comments. :rolleyes:


Well no need for the constant aggressive tone.

Second, who died and appointed Boullier the grand caretaker and speaker for the drivers in the lower classes? If he wants to speak on behalf of the Dams drivers then thats certainly his jurisdiction to do so but i would be right pissed if someone is speaking on my behalf when i didnt ask them to. Especially on matters like this. His comments are clearly out of turn in respect to speaking for the other drivers.


Now people can't give their opinion? Besides, would you expect youngsters to show up and say "well I'd prefer to test at the end of the year" even if they thought so? They're desperate to get into F1 and the last thing they'll want is to stir up shit.

It can also be argued that this Silverstone test is one of the best times for a young driver to learn how to deal with mid season development and how to assess parts/upgrades and such rather than at the end of the season. This is still an assessment by the teams after all and the drivers will learn how to provide the feedback the team needs so they actually have some development work under their belts come time for them to move up the formulae.


I don't agree this because the feedback when you've never driven a car like this is never going to be wildly useful, but fair enough, at least that's a sound argument.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 07:41

Time for some backpedaling. McLaren are planning to go to Abu Dhabi. I guess Whitmarsh has also some monetary interest in young drivers development? Reasons given - engines and young drivers. What the other real reasons are, is anyone's guess.

"(Also) if you try and have it in the middle of the year, and run your young drivers, then you are running them in the middle of their Championship year so you to be at the end, so that they have finished their Formula 3 or Formula 2 or whatever they're doing and they have the capacity to concentrate on their Formula One test."

http://www.planetf1....not-Silverstone


Edited by iotar, 17 May 2012 - 07:59.


#48 Jon83

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 12:54

Probably has a fair point with regards to the weather.

#49 korzeniow

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 18:43

Apparently cost of a F1 engine is about 0.5 mil

Toro Rosso not going to Silverstone because of finnancial issues: http://planetf1.com/...ilverstone-test

#50 jamiegc

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 18:56

Apparently cost of a F1 engine is about 0.5 mil

Toro Rosso not going to Silverstone because of finnancial issues: http://planetf1.com/...ilverstone-test


Toro Rosso were always going to Abu Dhabi....because Red Bull were.