Hardly worth the bother
#1
Posted 13 June 2012 - 15:43
I don't have a clue how many spectators turned up but the above race was programmed to be run over, wait for it, THREE WHOLE LAPS. Hence my thread title.
Even then only four of the eight starters finished so I suppose it was just as well it wasn't a 50 lapper. Nevertheless, it all seems an awful lot of fuss about very little.
Whether the organisers felt that so soon after the end of WW2 they cars wouldn't last very long, I don't know, but I'd be fascinated to know if there were any other reasons why this event was so short.
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#2
Posted 13 June 2012 - 16:12
Added to which there had been all sorts of reasons advanced why airfield racing wouldn't be viable: in 1945 even Earl Howe had been against it on the grounds that the concrete surface was too abrasive.
#3
Posted 13 June 2012 - 16:42
#4
Posted 13 June 2012 - 16:48
Recently read that endurance races were also happered by restrictions on tyres available immediately after WW2.
Jesper
#5
Posted 13 June 2012 - 16:58
Most British race meetings, in the 1940's and 50's including The Grand Prix were held on saturdays. I recall it being something to do with The Lords Day Observance Society. Brands Hatch managed to introduce sunday meetings by making spectators members of the organising club for the day.Was there a particular reason why both the '46 and '47 races at Gransdon Lodge was held on Saturdays?
Recently read that endurance races were also happered by restrictions on tyres available immediately after WW2.
Jesper
#6
Posted 13 June 2012 - 17:27
There were ways round it, but I think the main requirement was that events should be held on private land (with no right of way?) and also that admission charges could not be levied. Of course, you could always sell "compulsory" programmes, as they did for Sunday cricket in the 60s.
#7
Posted 13 June 2012 - 17:48
I think the post-war fuel and tyre situation, as detailed above, is the reason for the short race in '46 - were the other races any longer as they would have included road cars which might have had newer tyres and slightly more fuel.
#8
Posted 13 June 2012 - 18:26
British GP race days; from Saturdays to Sundays...
Motor racing on Sundays - banned or just unusual in the past?
The first RAC-sanctioned international event on a Sunday was the Motor Show 200 in 1966, and the first British GP on a Sunday was in 1976.
#9
Posted 13 June 2012 - 19:09
Roger Lund
#10
Posted 13 June 2012 - 21:07
A very brave and commendable effort by the organising Cambridge University A.C and VSCC who went ahead with the only UK race meeting of 1946 without the permission of 'the authorities'. From small acorns etc. The following year the clubs organised another meeting at Gransden, with 15,000 spectators turning up to watch a ten race programme. The main event was again, the Gransden trophy run, this time over 20 laps and won by Dennis Poore's 3.8 Alfa from George Abecassis 3.3 Bugatti and Roy Salvadori 2.9 Alfa.. Once again, this was the only race meeting held in England that year. Another heroic effort by those involved.
Sorry, but back in 1956 my late father wrote to the VSCC Bulletin to point out that despite the VSCC claim, Gransden was not the only race meeting of 1947, but that the YSCC held an event at Tholthorpe that year.
I still have a handsome tray presented to my father from that event.
Edited by RogerFrench, 13 June 2012 - 21:09.
#11
Posted 13 June 2012 - 21:24
That would have been for his win in the 1100cc race at the wheel of a supercharged Austin 7 lent by the camp commandant, Capt Mallock...I still have a handsome tray presented to my father from that event.
#12
Posted 13 June 2012 - 21:31
TNF Guide to former premises: Gransden Lodge circuit
Post 19 from RAP indicates that all races at the 1946 meeting were run over three laps, except for the invitation race at the end of the meeting which was run over five laps.
#13
Posted 13 June 2012 - 22:34
Three laps does seem a bit short. Nobody mentions how long the course was, but I'm guessing it wasn't of 'Madonie' proportions. That it was the only race held on the day is the part that really gets to me.
Bearing in mind the usual stuff, that the first of the 'baby boomers' were only a few days old, that the rationing was stiff, that some people would still have been returning from the Pacific Theatre, in fact (particularly POWs who had needed medical care and recovery time...), it can easily be seen that making it all expansive might have actually prevented many from being there at all.
Race meetings were slow to get going everywhere. While the first race in Australia after the war, the Victory Grand Prix over twenty laps at Caversham on April 7, 1946, was a tremendous success, when the Australian Grand Prix was scheduled to be held in Queensland in 1949 there were doubts that it would happen at all due to petrol rationing. That the rationing actually ended a week or two before the event was a lucky break for the organisers, but certainly something they hadn't been able to count on. And this was, again, three years later.
Is it possible that the organisers were trying to prove a point? That they were showing that it could be done?
#14
Posted 13 June 2012 - 23:35
Ray, please check out the earlier thread I linked to above. The course length in 1946 was around 2.15 miles, and there were 12 races on the day, 11 over 3 laps and one over 5 laps.Three laps does seem a bit short. Nobody mentions how long the course was, but I'm guessing it wasn't of 'Madonie' proportions. That it was the only race held on the day is the part that really gets to me.
#15
Posted 13 June 2012 - 23:53
It's still of interest that the races were only over three laps, however. Do my theories still apply?
On reflection, of course, it's not any different to the multitude of 5-lappers that used to be held at Amaroo Park.
Edited by Ray Bell, 13 June 2012 - 23:54.
#16
Posted 14 June 2012 - 09:03
Was there a particular reason why both the '46 and '47 races at Gransdon Lodge was held on Saturdays?
Most British race meetings, in the 1940's and 50's including The Grand Prix were held on saturdays. I recall it being something to do with The Lords Day Observance Society. Brands Hatch managed to introduce sunday meetings by making spectators members of the organising club for the day.
Motor racing on Sundays in the UK was discussed in a couple of earlier threads:
British GP race days; from Saturdays to Sundays...
Motor racing on Sundays - banned or just unusual in the past?
The first RAC-sanctioned international event on a Sunday was the Motor Show 200 in 1966, and the first British GP on a Sunday was in 1976.
So 1966 was the first Sunday International event - although there were events on Bank Holiday week-ends even practice wasn't permitted on a Sunday.
#17
Posted 14 June 2012 - 13:59
from the 500 OA website page on the event, which is worth a read.
#18
Posted 14 June 2012 - 15:51
#19
Posted 14 June 2012 - 17:18
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#20
Posted 14 June 2012 - 17:47
#21
Posted 14 June 2012 - 19:13
I knew about Naish Hill and the Filton sprint in 1945
#22
Posted 14 June 2012 - 20:10
Our country 1945-1950 makes a fascinating study. Winning a war exacted an almost unbearable cost in liberties that today we take for granted.
DCN
#23
Posted 14 June 2012 - 21:37
#24
Posted 15 June 2012 - 08:32
Yes and even normal telephones were not as universal as they became, and no answering machines so if the person couldn't answer you got nowhere.Wonderful stuff, indeed. All done without the aid of email, fax, mobile phone, etc. It certainly "makes yer fink, don't it?"
Not forgetting that the chase round the landowners which had to be done by real people finding other people was done somehow, despite fuel rationing.
#25
Posted 15 June 2012 - 09:45
Debden near Saffron Waldon Essex held races on a full circuit 1950s/early 60s is still an operational military base today with well maintained runways. Herts Auto and Aero Club still hold 2 sprint meetings each year with a delightful relaxed atmosphere aimed at the impecunious, but it sadly is not true racing as it once was.
Davidstow in Cornwall also springs to mind as an airfield used by coastal command during WW2 which had a few years as a race circuit in the early 1950s. Doubtless between us we could name dozens of airfields where motor racing took place in post war years, must have been a great time to go club racing.
#26
Posted 15 June 2012 - 10:33
#27
Posted 15 June 2012 - 10:51
Edited by Geoff E, 15 June 2012 - 10:52.
#28
Posted 15 June 2012 - 11:21
Yes and to run the HCA&AeC Sprint a lot of tyre barriers have to be moved to allow a clear run through the go-cart circuit - well we did when I was last involved.Funnily enough, if you look at Debden on Google Earth, there is something resembling a go-kart circuit at the north end of the north-south runway.
On which subject there's another Debden in Essex and it has a station on the Central Line of the London UndergrounD, and I think there were stories of marshals turning up there instead of the one where the race was being held.
#29
Posted 15 June 2012 - 11:25
#30
Posted 15 June 2012 - 12:25
Funnily enough, if you look at Debden on Google Earth, there is something resembling a go-kart circuit at the north end of the north-south runway.
I did a kart race at Debden in 1974ish. There was no permanent kart track then. I arrived in the early morning & helped lay out the hundreds of orange cones up & down the runway & taxiway, to make the track. Very fast circuit - many engines seized up, including my own.
OMG! - I was in Essex....
#31
Posted 15 June 2012 - 16:47
A good entry, by the look of it. Is that a real Alpine A110 or one of Tim Duffee's replicas?Here is 6 mins of the film I shot at Debden last October for the autumn sprint.
#32
Posted 15 June 2012 - 19:04
#33
Posted 15 June 2012 - 19:47
Is there more than one A110/Darrian hybrid?