Edited by Terry Walker, 25 June 2012 - 01:07.
Cooper Climax at Wanneroo Park June 2012
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 01:06
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 03:01
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 05:48
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 05:57
Whether it's the same F2-10-58 as raced in F2 by the British Racing Partnership in earlier 1958 events I have never been sure...
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 06:41
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 07:23
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 07:33
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 08:01
Whilst it is nice to see it back in Australia, how sad that it has lost those lovely dual throat SU carbs and had them replaced by Webers.
This car certainly had the original SUs on it when Keith Lukey drove it at Geelong Speed Trials in 1990s.
Maybe a sign of the times, but I hate it when original cars are cut about to fit roll bars too! It is possible to do it sympathetically.
Rob Saward
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 09:01
it is hardly cut about, that rollbar is clamped on with a swing away rear support.Whilst it is nice to see it back in Australia, how sad that it has lost those lovely dual throat SU carbs and had them replaced by Webers.
This car certainly had the original SUs on it when Keith Lukey drove it at Geelong Speed Trials in 1990s.
Maybe a sign of the times, but I hate it when original cars are cut about to fit roll bars too! It is possible to do it sympathetically.
Rob Saward
Honestly I do not consider it to be all that effective as a rollbar but the car does not seemto be cut. And a car like that is a fairly serious racing car. Even if driven with great restraint.
Is it me but that front carby seems to have a very large hole where the jets are accessed.
Edited by Lee Nicolle, 25 June 2012 - 09:02.
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 09:47
Good to see it back in Australia again, our Cooper population needs some boosting
Be careful what you hope for Dick!! Might end up with a couple more South Aussie Breweries!!
The car ran superbly and John is very much getting used to it and lap times are dropping quite dramatically. I think mainly due to John fitting his XOS frame into the car a bit better.
I think the carby argument is a mute point. It’s had them so "as it was is how it shall be" .
I fail to see why someone should change anything on a car because an individual liked it as it was when they saw it last. Car went back to the factory early in life and was rebuilt. No doubt was changed to come to Aus for the series and I bet London to a Brick that most of the really trick bits didn’t end up in the car when sold here. So what should it have??? I know one thing, its none of my business!
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 23:25
Should it not have sand cast Weber 58 DCO
either way, nice the car
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 00:28
Oh ok,whats wrong with people like that,all the money in the world and they sell O/seas a special OZ car,great to see it back here.Yes
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 09:05
Originally posted by Fred.R
.....Should it not have sand cast Weber 58 DCO?
I'm no expert, but I think they were only on the larger engines, AFAIK this car ran a 2-litre or 2.2-litre...
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 09:43
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 10:12
Whilst it is nice to see it back in Australia, how sad that it has lost those lovely dual throat SU carbs and had them replaced by Webers.
This car certainly had the original SUs on it when Keith Lukey drove it at Geelong Speed Trials in 1990s.
Maybe a sign of the times, but I hate it when original cars are cut about to fit roll bars too! It is possible to do it sympathetically.
Rob Saward
I agree about the SU instead of Webers. It having been in the UK they, let small detail like that pass with out question.
The saying "as it was is how it shall be"
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 11:27
Pity it couldn't have made its debut at Albany a couple weeks earlier.
What hasn't been mentioned who is the lucky owner.
terry
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 11:44
Yes! From when it first came to Australia in 1958 with Brabham, through a number of local owners who raced it hard, through later hard times, a local restoration and an unsympathetic owner who sold it overseas it managed to retain its original carbs. It then took a UK 'restoration' to lose them. Now it has late Webers like all the others. How sad. AFAIK most (all?) the production Climaxes at that time had SUs. I know the Derek Jolly Lotus 15 with 2 litre FPF (same engine as this car) had the same type SUs.Maybe something more along these lines...
I bet there is a Climax owner in UK who has them and treasures them for what they are. Just that they are now on the wrong car!
Not enough people care about these things.
Rob Saward
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 16:52
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:27
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 11:55
This is certainly great news.
Pity it couldn't have made its debut at Albany a couple weeks earlier.
What hasn't been mentioned who is the lucky owner.
terry
Yes it would have been nice Terry but then it would have stolen the limelight from the two very significant cars at Albany that were attending the event on the 75th Anniversary of the first Albany around the houses.
They are the Bartlett Special and the Lagonda. 75 years later and both of the vehicles are still in the same families and now only one owner older. Both cars have been passed down to the sons of the original owners and both lovingly and faithfully restored by them. That would near on be unique for an event anywhere would it not?
Also Catalina Park. Did like the SU Carby photo earlier, can provide JR's address if you want to post them to him as a gift!!
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:29
Or someone has, look at the watermark in the lower right corner.
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Posted 29 June 2012 - 01:59
it is hardly cut about, that rollbar is clamped on with a swing away rear support.
Honestly I do not consider it to be all that effective as a rollbar but the car does not seemto be cut. And a car like that is a fairly serious racing car. Even if driven with great restraint.
Is it me but that front carby seems to have a very large hole where the jets are accessed.
Lee,
Apart from the jet access 'ole the casting detail seems to differ [to me] between the the two Webers?
A beautiful James Allington cut-away can be seen in Doug Nye's book, Cooper Cars.
An interesting comment on the suspension changes ie wishbone rear allowing the transverse spring to do its job of springing only.
OT. Steering details mentions the Zero Ackerman set-up. Something I queried on single seaters some time back. Much poo-poo and derision?
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Posted 29 June 2012 - 12:37
The jet access hole is what I was referring too. Very weird. And that cover really is nesecary, even if people regularly leave the covers offLee,
Apart from the jet access 'ole the casting detail seems to differ [to me] between the the two Webers?
A beautiful James Allington cut-away can be seen in Doug Nye's book, Cooper Cars.
An interesting comment on the suspension changes ie wishbone rear allowing the transverse spring to do its job of springing only.
OT. Steering details mentions the Zero Ackerman set-up. Something I queried on single seaters some time back. Much poo-poo and derision?
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 10:56
That's not quite right Thomas. The original importer of the Bartlett Special, which was an ex Brooklands car, was Clem Dyer, not Alan McIntosh. At this point it's customary to say; " That's Clem DYER, not Clem DWYER."Yes it would have been nice Terry but then it would have stolen the limelight from the two very significant cars at Albany that were attending the event on the 75th Anniversary of the first Albany around the houses.
They are the Bartlett Special and the Lagonda. 75 years later and both of the vehicles are still in the same families and now only one owner older. Both cars have been passed down to the sons of the original owners and both lovingly and faithfully restored by them. That would near on be unique for an event anywhere would it not?
Here's Len Lukey in the Cooper at Caversham in 1959, alongside Alec Mildren and Stan Jones. Jones' car had a 2.2 Climax motor while, IIRC, the other two were 1960cc.
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 05:38
Of course you are quite correct there again wise one!!, I suppose you have the advantage of having been there at the time. Just so Im absolutly correct, there were no owners between DYER not DWYER (as you quite correctly remind us) and McIntosh??That's not quite right Thomas. The original importer of the Bartlett Special, which was an ex Brooklands car, was Clem Dyer, not Alan McIntosh. At this point it's customary to say; " That's Clem DYER, not Clem DWYER."
Here's Len Lukey in the Cooper at Caversham in 1959, alongside Alec Mildren and Stan Jones. Jones' car had a 2.2 Climax motor while, IIRC, the other two were 1960cc.
Therefore the Bartlet is three owners since the 1936 not two? The Lagonda was new I believe so its a two owner car full stop.
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 13:29
We're getting a touch OT here Thomas but just to tidy up; "Correct again wise one"? Who, ME? "there at the time"? Cheeky! However, I believe the Bartlett Special had other owners between Clem Dyer and Alan McIntosh but can't tell you who they were. A couple of points that have not been made: Both the Bartlett Spl. and the Lagonda were owned by Clem Dyer. And more importantly, Dyer was one of three visionaries who introduced Round the Houses racing to WA in Albany in 1936.Of course you are quite correct there again wise one!!, I suppose you have the advantage of having been there at the time. Just so Im absolutly correct, there were no owners between DYER not DWYER (as you quite correctly remind us) and McIntosh??
Therefore the Bartlet is three owners since the 1936 not two? The Lagonda was new I believe so its a two owner car full stop.
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 22:47
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 10:02
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 10:19
Regarding carbs; Here's Jones' 2.2 litre motor at that 1959 Gold Star Caversham round which Lukey won, two heats to Stan's one.
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Sand Cast Webers, as it should be
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 10:38
So nice to see colour photos of this car in Jones' hands, before it was sold to Austin Miller. I never knew what colour it was - thanks for posting them. I imagine the red was probably a throwback to its short time with Stillwell before going to Jones. It looks in good condition here, as it should - a year later in Miller's hands it was a bit of an old nail, crashed with replacement (local) chassis, everything else replaced, but still the same car.......Regarding carbs; Here's Jones' 2.2 litre motor at that 1959 Gold Star Caversham round which Lukey won, two heats to Stan's one.
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The 2.2 Climax in this car was of course a 1959 engine, by which time the sand-cast Webers were usual on these engines. My earlier comments on the use of the dual throat SUs relate to the 1958 1960cc FPF engines as per the Brabham/Lukey/Leighton car at subject of this thread.
Rob Saward
Edited by austmcreg, 02 July 2012 - 11:30.
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 10:52