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Who will score first so much desired win for Lotus team?

  1. Kimi (186 votes [60.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.59%

  2. Romain (82 votes [26.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.71%

  3. They won't win (39 votes [12.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.70%

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#1201 Viryfan

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 11:43

When he was partnered with Grosjean, Alonso was so far ahead of him in qualy and race that there was no need for any "Fernando is faster than you" comments. Grosjean was considered not quite up to F1 standards. It's only since being paired with Raikkonen and regularly out qualifying him that this "star of the future" tag has started to be attached to him. Funnily enough, the same happened to Massa when he was paired with Raikkonen - from being considered a reasonable journey man he suddenly started to be looked at as a potential world champion (before his stock again sank). I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions about that...


How can you judge Romain during his run in 2009???

Without any testing :down: :down: :down:

If you look to the gap in qualy , the gap was lower between RG and FA than Kubica and Petrov or Hulkenberg and Barichello in 2010 ( who had testings).... :down: :down:

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#1202 Zava

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 11:52

When he was partnered with Grosjean, Alonso was so far ahead of him in qualy and race that there was no need for any "Fernando is faster than you" comments. Grosjean was considered not quite up to F1 standards. It's only since being paired with Raikkonen and regularly out qualifying him that this "star of the future" tag has started to be attached to him. Funnily enough, the same happened to Massa when he was paired with Raikkonen - from being considered a reasonable journey man he suddenly started to be looked at as a potential world champion (before his stock again sank). I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions about that...

I think the star of future tag was attached to him already when he won autogp with participating only in 2/3 of the races, gp2 asia (well that was just 4 races, but still), and then gp2 scoring the most points ever (also, his teammate had 0 by the end of the year)

#1203 Jovanotti

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 11:58

If you look to the gap in qualy , the gap was lower between RG and FA than Kubica and Petrov or Hulkenberg and Barichello in 2010 ( who had testings).... :down: :down:

:up: Says it all really. Look what happened to other drivers who were thrown in midseason, let alone against a driver like Alonso. Grosjean wasn't doing bad back then.

#1204 skywing

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 12:09

When he was partnered with Grosjean, Alonso was so far ahead of him in qualy and race that there was no need for any "Fernando is faster than you" comments. Grosjean was considered not quite up to F1 standards. It's only since being paired with Raikkonen and regularly out qualifying him that this "star of the future" tag has started to be attached to him. Funnily enough, the same happened to Massa when he was paired with Raikkonen - from being considered a reasonable journey man he suddenly started to be looked at as a potential world champion (before his stock again sank). I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions about that...

I really want to know your opinion on Fisichellas stint with Ferrari in 2009. He had at least driven in F1 the whole season.

#1205 Vesuvius

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 12:23

When he was partnered with Grosjean, Alonso was so far ahead of him in qualy and race that there was no need for any "Fernando is faster than you" comments. Grosjean was considered not quite up to F1 standards. It's only since being paired with Raikkonen and regularly out qualifying him that this "star of the future" tag has started to be attached to him. Funnily enough, the same happened to Massa when he was paired with Raikkonen - from being considered a reasonable journey man he suddenly started to be looked at as a potential world champion (before his stock again sank). I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions about that...


So driver can't develop at all? That must mean Trulli and Hamilton are better than Alonso as they beated him and even they were beated both by Button and Trulli by Kovalainen lol.2009 Grosjean had no testing and was thrown in the middle of the season against double world champion who is considered the current best driver in f1 and yet Grosjean was quite close to him in quali and in my mind did better than Piquet jr. Also Massa is currently not on same level he was driving post 2010...he was considered top driver even when Kimi joined Ferrari as Felipe was close to Schumacher and even beated him on the late stages of 2006.

Edited by Buttoneer, 07 August 2012 - 12:27.
please keep the tone civil "Lol funniest post ever...seems like you don't understand anything about formula 1...s" removed


#1206 rossbrawn

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 12:51

...he was considered top driver even when Kimi joined Ferrari as Felipe was close to Schumacher and even beated him on the late stages of 2006.


Sorry, but, no that is factually incorrect.

http://forums.autosp...a...t&p=5863218



#1207 Vesuvius

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 13:05

Sorry, but, no that is factually incorrect.

http://forums.autosp...a...t&p=5863218


Sorry but no it's not...just because Michael had problems doesn't mean he wasn't beaten, problems are part of the game. Yes I agree he would have been front of Massa without those but he wasn't so the results stay...also Massa was very close most of the time anyway and driving much better than he is driving now.

#1208 SpaMaster

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 13:46

When he was partnered with Grosjean, Alonso was so far ahead of him in qualy and race that there was no need for any "Fernando is faster than you" comments. Grosjean was considered not quite up to F1 standards. It's only since being paired with Raikkonen and regularly out qualifying him that this "star of the future" tag has started to be attached to him. Funnily enough, the same happened to Massa when he was paired with Raikkonen - from being considered a reasonable journey man he suddenly started to be looked at as a potential world champion (before his stock again sank). I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions about that...

What a fallacy! In both his 2006 and 2007-2009 stints, Massa finished ahead of cars that were worse than Ferrari. But since 2010, he is finished behind cars that are well inferior to Ferrari - Force India, Renault, Mercedes, etc. That is Massa underperforming, not Alonso destroying as it may seem. When the second driver does just well enough to put the car in place where it should be, and the master driver adds a couple or three tenths and puts a few positions above, that is destroying. But, when the second driver is not even in the fight, beating himself meddling around with Force Indias and Torro Rossos, sorry that is not the killing/frying/eating as you make it out to be.

Outclassing is what Schumacher did to Barrichello, what Hakkinen and Raikkonen did to Coulthard. In both cases the second drivers still performed in the vicinity-level of the cars. They were ahead of the inferior cars. After 2007, Alonso just has not had a teammate like that. Mind you, Alonso has lost to competitive teammates twice already (2004 Trulli and 2007 Hamilton). As much as you would like to put down Raikkonen, Alonso has had similar problems in the past.

#1209 Oho

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 16:06

How can you judge Romain during his run in 2009???


It is not only only being able to its all but mandatory. Grosjean is here merely a pawn in a Räikkönen bashing spree.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 16:31

When he was partnered with Grosjean, Alonso was so far ahead of him in qualy and race that there was no need for any "Fernando is faster than you" comments. Grosjean was considered not quite up to F1 standards. It's only since being paired with Raikkonen and regularly out qualifying him that this "star of the future" tag has started to be attached to him. Funnily enough, the same happened to Massa when he was paired with Raikkonen - from being considered a reasonable journey man he suddenly started to be looked at as a potential world champion (before his stock again sank). I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions about that...

Conclusions like that Kimi must be an absolutely awesome car developer, that he singlehandedly makes cars so good that every mediocre journeyman next to him suddenly looks like a potential champion?` :drunk:

#1211 Skinnyguy

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 18:17

It is not only only being able to its all but mandatory. Grosjean is here merely a pawn in a Räikkönen bashing spree.


I bet that if he or Räikkönen switches team, 4/5 of the guys claiming to be his fans will stop paying any attention to him :rolleyes:

Which sucks, because he´s a nice likeable guy who has shown big glimpses of potential inside the car.



#1212 Skinnyguy

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 18:23

What a fallacy! In both his 2006 and 2007-2009 stints, Massa finished ahead of cars that were worse than Ferrari.


I´d add that he was matching and fighting fair and square the best drivers of that time in roughly equal material. He could fight all the time and beat sometimes Alonso, Lewis, Räikkönen, Schumacher... in cars on the same tier. Respect for that, not a lot of people can say it :up:


Massa is doing a shit job, yes, but it´d be unfair to judge the man only on one part of his career -which looks a popular thing to do here-.

#1213 flyer121

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 11:04

When he was partnered with Grosjean, Alonso was so far ahead of him in qualy and race that there was no need for any "Fernando is faster than you" comments. Grosjean was considered not quite up to F1 standards. It's only since being paired with Raikkonen and regularly out qualifying him that this "star of the future" tag has started to be attached to him. Funnily enough, the same happened to Massa when he was paired with Raikkonen - from being considered a reasonable journey man he suddenly started to be looked at as a potential world champion (before his stock again sank). I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions about that...


Grosjean was never more than 2-3 tenths away from Nando except for the very first race he started mid season.

Wouldn't be surprised if Grosjean of now with Pirelli experience at GP2 would beat Nando in Qualifyings .. race is another matter and experience counts as we see with Kimi finishing ahead most times.


And honestly Massa should be given a new driver pseudo-name (FEL is what might suit him) as the pre and post accident Massa are not comparable. One can recover physically from such an heavy accident but psychologically its a different story.

The only time Nando was with a teammate of some calibre was Hamilton and he fared well against him but rest of the time he has really been lucky to have rookie (RG) , slavish (Nelson) or broken (Massa) teammates

#1214 korzeniow

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 11:13

Grosjean was never more than 2-3 tenths away from Nando except for the very first race he started mid season.

Wouldn't be surprised if Grosjean of now with Pirelli experience at GP2 would beat Nando in Qualifyings .. race is another matter and experience counts as we see with Kimi finishing ahead most times.


And honestly Massa should be given a new driver pseudo-name (FEL is what might suit him) as the pre and post accident Massa are not comparable. One can recover physically from such an heavy accident but psychologically its a different story.

The only time Nando was with a teammate of some calibre was Hamilton and he fared well against him but rest of the time he has really been lucky to have rookie (RG) , slavish (Nelson) or broken (Massa) teammates


Masa himself said there is nothing wrong with his mental ability and then he said that every doctor he contacted also claimed there is nothing wrong with his psyhical ability.

#1215 flyer121

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 11:23

Masa himself said there is nothing wrong with his mental ability and then he said that every doctor he contacted also claimed there is nothing wrong with his psyhical ability.


Just hit Sports Psychology in Google and you can find plenty of evidence that when it comes to sports it really is "Mind over Matter" - that's why Sports Psychology is such a big discipline.

You need to believe in your abilities and shouldn't have any fears (conscious or sub conscious ) while taking that leap of faith that a fast corner is ....

Of course Massa will say that nothings has changed - for two possible reasons - that he would be paving for his own exit if he said he is half a sec slower as a result of accident and the other reason probbaly is that he is not conciously aware of any changes which have happened.


The only real way to know is to give him the same 2008 car and replicate the same conditions and give him an hour to match his fastest lap from that season. If he posts within half a sec of that time - I would be surprised.

They should do that - would be interesting analysis for researchers !!

Edited by Buttoneer, 07 August 2012 - 12:30.


#1216 korzeniow

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 11:45

Just hit Sports Psychology in Google and you can find plenty of evidence that when it comes to sports it really is "Mind over Matter" - that's why Sports Psychology is such a big discipline.

You need to believe in your abilities and shouldn't have any fears (conscious or sub conscious ) while taking that leap of faith that a fast corner is ....

Of course Massa will say that nothings has changed - for two possible reasons - that he would be paving for his own exit if he said he is half a sec slower as a result of accident and the other reason probbaly is that he is not conciously aware of any changes which have happened.


Let me rephrase: of ourse you will disregard Massa's words because they don't siut your agenda.

The only real way to know is to give him the same 2008 car and replicate the same conditions and give him an hour to match his fastest lap from that season. If he posts within half a sec of that time - I would be surprised.

They should do that - would be interesting analysis for researchers !!


The only possibility for you to safely claim what you claim is to make such tests. Other than that if you don't want to be called BS you have to relay on the only sources available which is Massa and his doctors.

#1217 flyer121

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 12:29

Let me rephrase: of ourse you will disregard Massa's words because they don't siut your agenda.



The only possibility for you to safely claim what you claim is to make such tests. Other than that if you don't want to be called BS you have to relay on the only sources available which is Massa and his doctors.


What an odd post. How does that rephrase onto that?
You gave me a quote from Massa - I gave two reasons why they cant be trusted.

#1218 Buttoneer

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 12:32

Posts edited, others deleted.

Please do not insult other posters. Please stay on topic. The topic is not Massa, Alonso or Schumacher.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 19:46

Posts edited, others deleted.

Please do not insult other posters. Please stay on topic. The topic is not Massa, Alonso or Schumacher.


It's always a VERY good plan to read a post by a Moderator. Reading & understanding the message contained helps save us work, keeps threads on topic and enables you to continue to enjoy freedom to post.

It's disappointing posts have had to be deleted between Buttoneer's post and this one, please take heed of the message.

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#1220 prty

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 13:00

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Former Renault F1 driver Nelson Piquet has criticised both Lotus drivers, branding Romain Grosjean 'lucky' and Kimi Raikkonen 'weak'.

The 27-year-old says Grosjean, who replaced Piquet at Renault in 2009, has only stood out this season because he's been paired with a weak team-mate in the form of Raikkonen who returned to F1 this year after a two-year absence.

"He has got a lot of luck, [which has] come at a time when his team-mate is a little weak and has a very good car," Piquet told TotalRace.

"His luck is that he was not doing well in F1, another season of GP2, landed a sponsorship deal and returned to F1 paying, right? Then things went right for, how do you say, in his career. The timing was very good for him."

The Brazilian, who was paired with Fernando Alonso during his tenure at the Enstone outfit between 2008 and 2009, believes his former team-mate would be doing a better job than Lotus's current line-up.

"If they had Alonso there, they would be winning the championship with that car," he added. "Sure he [Grosjean] has improved a lot since the last time, but there he is no phenomenon. He's nothing compared to Alonso."



#1221 sailor

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 13:10

http://www.thef1time...s/display/06588


I m getting a slightly soury , grapey taste reading this.

#1222 TFLB

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 15:54

Piquet Jr is a bit of an idiot and that is clearly sour grapes, however I do agree with one thing he says:

'If they had Alonso there, they would be winning the championship with that car'.

It seems to me that the Lotus has been the most consistently fast car, but both drivers (and the team) have not maximised its potential.

#1223 Exoskeletor

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 16:02

I m getting a slightly soury , grapey taste reading this.


Yes, a slight hint of sourness indeed. "Kids these days, they have it all too easy".

He has to be quite sure that his name did nothing to advance his own career to make such claims.

#1224 Taxi

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 17:08

Yes, a slight hint of sourness indeed. "Kids these days, they have it all too easy".

He has to be quite sure that his name did nothing to advance his own career to make such claims.

Sure Nelsinho, If Alonso was there he would be winning races and you would be helping him, right?




#1225 Wander

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 21:01

You don't say.

#1226 spinster

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 21:18

You don't say.


just crap from an even more crapier driver

#1227 halifaxf1fan

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 00:07

Piquet seems not to like the press talking up Grosjean!

#1228 hijinx

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:49

Piquet seems not to like the press talking up Grosjean!

it's understandable considering he was replaced by grosjean... unlike some other people who were replaced and graciously walked away without so much as a criticism of the team or the driver who replaced him.

#1229 Vesuvius

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:49

Let's just say There is reason why Piquet jr. Is not in F1 and he will never ever be again :)

#1230 Avastrol

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 12:36

Without having clicked the link first when I read "Piquet" on the first line I thought it was the highly accomplished Sr. dishing out the "kids these days" speech.

And then I saw the "Jr." and immediately went :|

#1231 Mauseri

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 15:04

:up: Says it all really. Look what happened to other drivers who were thrown in midseason, let alone against a driver like Alonso. Grosjean wasn't doing bad back then.

I agree. He was a little inconsistent and making some mistakes he still has done, but at least there was seen the occasional burst of speed, which Piquet never showed in any category to be honest..

'I would do the same as him' are sour grapes.

Edited by Mauseri, 21 August 2012 - 15:05.


#1232 Menace

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 17:14

Kimi wins another Qualifying battle. Its pretty obvious he is much more happy with the handling of his car now during Qualifying, as it seems he has been comfortably faster then Grosjean (without mistakes) during the Q sessions the last few race weekends in a row now.

#1233 ruby soho

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 17:52

Kimi is certainly improving his performances at a faster pace than Grosjean, it's difficult so say why, but Kimi seems to have the upper hand right now. Grosjean doesn't look slow by any means and I hope he continues to develop into a champion some day.

Edited by ruby soho, 01 September 2012 - 17:52.


#1234 Trust

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 18:00


What's the official score now in qualifying?

Edited by Trust, 01 September 2012 - 18:01.


#1235 Viryfan

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 18:03

7-5

#1236 Vesuvius

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 18:04

What's the official score now in qualifying?


7-5 for Grosjean (without discounting errors,team decisions and technical problems)

#1237 Mauseri

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 03:09

Kimi is certainly improving his performances at a faster pace than Grosjean, it's difficult so say why, but Kimi seems to have the upper hand right now.

The situation changes from track to track. And even when G pulled a fast qualifying laps, it was by no means certain that he would do that. I'd say inconsistent. But yeah Kimi seem to have slightly improved towards the 2nd half of season.

#1238 DarkknightRises

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 03:16

The situation changes from track to track. And even when G pulled a fast qualifying laps, it was by no means certain that he would do that. I'd say inconsistent. But yeah Kimi seem to have slightly improved towards the 2nd half of season.


Romain can no longer cope with Kimi 's setup anymore since hockenheim~~ he choose to alter back to barcelona setup, but failing to configure his own setup in each race track will be a doomday for him !!

As for kimi, prior to that, he said something was missing in the car....as soon as he found that, he improved alot in race and quali!!

I think there;s more to come from kimi~~~

#1239 Music Lover

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 14:30

ok then, another quali where Kimi was way faster than Gro.
Kimi did a faultless race bringing home good points to the team despite technical issues with the car - while Gro again made a huge fool of himself in the race almost killed Alonso. :down:
And of course, it's not his fault, it's never his fault :rolleyes:
This has to stop!

Lotus needs TWO drivers that collect points, taking points from competitors and Kimi needs help to be able to challenge for the driver championship.

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#1240 Pitlane

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 17:22

What did I tell you guys yesterday??

Grojean is not to be underestimated. If he maintains his composure he could be the dark horse giving the front runners a headache. Sort of like what Kubica did in 2008.



Agreed :p

Edited by Pitlane, 02 September 2012 - 17:23.


#1241 WorldDomination

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 18:44

Reading the earlier comments about ''Grosjean destroying Kimi''. Unfortunately for them Grosjean has not destroyed Kimi, just Alonso (almost killing him) and Hamilton (plus his earlier ''destroyings'' of the season).

#1242 Skinnyguy

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 19:25

Point for Grosjean.

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Why are you looking at me? It´s the standard procedure here!! Every weekend Kimi´s does the better job, someone comes claiming how much faster Romain was with some moronic data to back it up, like "but he was faster in lap 9!!". So I´ll say he did better, given that he had a better getaway, which proves he would have been way faster in the race without any doubt. :blush:

In a more serious note... I´ve backed Romain when he has made mistakes, because he´s been showing good pace most of places. But c´mon, this is too much. Too many mistakes, it´s not normal anymore.

#1243 Wingcommander

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 20:05

131-76. The other driver keeps causing chaos and the other one brings the car home. Time for Grosjean to calm down and learn a lesson or two from the Kimster.

#1244 Wander

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 21:24

Anyone else remember the time when Romain was leading this poll?

I know, right?!

Too bad Iotar is not around anymore. I would've loved to hear his story of how things have gone in the last couple of races!

#1245 Trust

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 21:28

Anyone else remember the time when Romain was leading this poll?

I know, right?!

Too bad Iotar is not around anymore. I would've loved to hear his story of how things have gone in the last couple of races!

Is he banned?

#1246 TailG

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 21:28

Is he banned?


No, he self-destructed

#1247 Muppetmad

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 21:30

Anyone else remember the time when Romain was leading this poll?

I know, right?!

Too bad Iotar is not around anymore. I would've loved to hear his story of how things have gone in the last couple of races!


The poll would have been irrelevant if it weren't for the alternator failure at Valencia; Grosjean would likely have won that race, he was in a strong position to retake the position from Alonso.

Despite his errors this season, people need to remember Grosjean has also had his share of excellent drives. However, many will allow their anger to cloud their judgement and see Grosjean solely as the causer of an unfortunate incident.

#1248 Wander

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 21:32

And that would also be an irrelevant point to consider if Vettel's alternator hadn't blown. Why not then say that the poll would have been irrelevant if Vettel's alternator blow-up had happened in Bahrain instead of Valencia?

And there is no saying that Grosjean would have got ahead of Alonso btw.

Edited by Wander, 02 September 2012 - 21:33.


#1249 ruby soho

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 21:33

Anyone else remember the time when Romain was leading this poll?

I know, right?!

Too bad Iotar is not around anymore. I would've loved to hear his story of how things have gone in the last couple of races!

I was wondering why all the Kimi threads are rather quiet and civilized..

#1250 Muppetmad

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 21:39

And that would also be an irrelevant point to consider if Vettel's alternator hadn't blown. Why not then say that the poll would have been irrelevant if Vettel's alternator blow-up had happened in Bahrain instead of Valencia?

And there is no saying that Grosjean would have got ahead of Alonso btw.


Fair point. :up: