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Who will score first so much desired win for Lotus team?

  1. Kimi (186 votes [60.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.59%

  2. Romain (82 votes [26.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.71%

  3. They won't win (39 votes [12.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.70%

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#51 TFLB

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 18:01

And you're probably actually wrong

And your probably actually making an idiot of yourself by dismissing what I said without actually having any idea yourself. Care to elaborate?

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#52 TFLB

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 18:02

More than Kimi has in two years away. But these are what ifs, so lets see what the situation is in couple of months okay?

OK.

#53 olliek88

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 18:05

And you're probably actually wrong


Hamilton had done 7600 KMs in the Mclaren before he even rolled out at Oz, thats about 25 Grand Prix, somehow i doubt Romain has done more!

Q. It's been a busy winter. How well prepared are you for the actual race?

LH: It has been a very, very long winter of testing. We have covered a lot of mileage and I was the second highest driver in terms of distance covered. I think Heikki Kovalainen was first, but I think I did something like 7600 kilometres


http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/57316

Edited by olliek88, 05 March 2012 - 18:07.


#54 Kvothe

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 18:06

He's probably actually done less miles in an F1 car than Hamilton had when he started in 07 due to the current testing restrictions.


Yes but he has the luxuary of going up against a driver out for two years, not a driver fresh off the back of two WDCs

If we're comparing ;)

Edited by Kvothe, 05 March 2012 - 18:07.


#55 metz

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 18:13

Yes, you were backing him up - in the wrong (in my view) assumption that Räikkönen always had the best cars, which he definitely hadn't (of course he didnt have crap cars either, but as far as we know this years Lotus is as good as some McLarens and better than his last Ferrari..).

I didn't say he always had THE best car on any given day.
It is a fact that of all the cars he drove since Sauber, every one of them was a race winnig car.
Expt '06 when Kimi got 6 podiums, 3 pole positions, 3 fastest laps.
By no stretch of the imagination were they (or the teams) mid field.
The Lotus is mid field.

Edited by metz, 05 March 2012 - 18:37.


#56 maverick69

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 18:15

Hamilton had done 7600 KMs in the Mclaren before he even rolled out at Oz, thats about 25 Grand Prix, somehow i doubt Romain has done more!



http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/57316


Testing the Pirelli's amongst other things.

#57 TFLB

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 18:30

Testing the Pirelli's amongst other things.

In an obsolete car with experimental tyres. And he still probably didn't do that much.

#58 maverick69

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 18:44

In an obsolete car with experimental tyres. And he still probably didn't do that much.



However you want to dress it up, he still has plenty of experience of driving an F1 car in anger.

#59 Menace

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 18:49

I see Grosjean putting up a decent fight, but in the end Kimi will be ahead in all the categories that matter ; qualifying/races/points. :wave:

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#60 hammibal

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 18:50

They were equal in points.

Well Lewis finished higher in the WDC, higher than what many consider to be the best driver in F1, but according to you he failed? :confused:

#61 hammibal

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 18:59

Yes but he has the luxuary of going up against a driver out for two years, not a driver fresh off the back of two WDCs

If we're comparing ;)

...then there's the comparison with Massa?????

#62 Seanspeed

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 19:09

Well....like most of these 'VS' threads, its gone to crap. Just surprised at how quickly it happened! :lol:

#63 tommyhjortasen

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 19:12

There´s many people who dont wanted Kimi back in the first place for obvious reasons and therefor belittled him, but I think that he alredy now has proven a point. And he has mentioned that he wants another WDC.

Edited by tommyhjortasen, 05 March 2012 - 19:13.


#64 race addicted

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 19:21

I see Grosjean putting up a decent fight, but in the end Kimi will be ahead in all the categories that matter ; qualifying/races/points. :wave:


I agree, but with a slight adjustment; I see Grosjean putting up a very good fight, but with the same end result as you predict.
I'm guessing the gap in qualifying will typically be two, three tenths.

#65 beute

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 19:22

If there was no Kimi back then, who would take the title?



Alonso.

If we move Alonso and Hamilton up one place in every race they finished behind raikkonen, then alonso would've gained an additional 16 points while lewis only would've gotten 9 more points.


#66 Alarcon

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 20:39

If there was no Kimi back then, who would take the title?



Ron Dennis? After all following his own words they were fighting against Alonso... :lol:

Edited by Alarcon, 05 March 2012 - 20:41.


#67 Alarcon

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 20:45

Alonso.

If we move Alonso and Hamilton up one place in every race they finished behind raikkonen, then alonso would've gained an additional 16 points while lewis only would've gotten 9 more points.



:up:

Imo a lot of people thinks Kimi will beat Grosjean, and I have the feeling Grosjean is not only going to beat Kimi but destroy him. I don´t trust in Kimi 2.0 but in Kimi 1.0 2003, 2005, 2007...

#68 Watkins74

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 20:51

:up:

Imo a lot of people thinks Kimi will beat Grosjean, and I have the feeling Grosjean is not only going to beat Kimi but destroy him. I don´t trust in Kimi 2.0 but in Kimi 1.0 2003, 2005, 2007...

Destroy? What would the definition of that be.

I am anxious to see how Grosjean does, just to see how harmful Briatore really was to these young drivers. He seems like a decent guy and his goal should be to establish himself as an F1 driver.

I have no skin in this game so if they both do well that's OK with me.



#69 halifaxf1fan

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 20:53

:up:

Imo a lot of people thinks Kimi will beat Grosjean, and I have the feeling Grosjean is not only going to beat Kimi but destroy him. I don´t trust in Kimi 2.0 but in Kimi 1.0 2003, 2005, 2007...


You may be right Alarcon.

GP2 champion Grosjean would be expected to do well against Raikkonen as the older Raikkonen has been out of F1/openwheel racing since Nov 2009 and will face a steep learning curve. The precedent of how the younger Rosberg has handled the vastly more experienced and talented Schumacher is a good comparison. All the pressure is on Grosjean to perform. We will see how he does!

Edited by halifaxf1fan, 05 March 2012 - 21:04.


#70 sniper80

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 20:57

I think Raikkonen & Grosjean will match each other in the first races. But god, don't underestimate a Raikkonen on fire. Can't wait for Melbourne!

#71 tommyhjortasen

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 21:03

I´m not worried a bit, even if Grosjean beat Kimi over the season, I´m pleased to have Kimi back on the grid. And, he is a WDC with many wins in his pcket, the first and the first is the hardest to make.

#72 908T

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 21:17


I am sure both Kimi and Romain are doing their best.
They also seem to value each other.
Kimi does not compete against Grosjean especially, he is just doing everything as well as he can as he has always done.
If he is then faster or slower, so what, he has done his best anyway!
:wave:


#73 beute

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 22:34

:up:

Imo a lot of people thinks Kimi will beat Grosjean, and I have the feeling Grosjean is not only going to beat Kimi but destroy him. I don´t trust in Kimi 2.0 but in Kimi 1.0 2003, 2005, 2007...

ehrm, I dont know how you get from my sentence to Grosjean destroying Kimi...
When I wrote it I didnt think about anything related to any performance of any driver.

I just answered a stupid question with a stupid answer.

It makes no sense to make wild guesses...
No one knows what's going to happen.

Statements like "Grosjean is going to destroy kimi" or the other way around are presented as if they are based on facts and evidence, when in fact they're just wild guesses mixed with the hope/hatred of the person making the claim.


#74 Alarcon

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 22:45

ehrm, I dont know how you get from my sentence to Grosjean destroying Kimi...
When I wrote it I didnt think about anything related to any performance of any driver.

I just answered a stupid question with a stupid answer.

It makes no sense to make wild guesses...
No one knows what's going to happen.

Statements like "Grosjean is going to destroy kimi" or the other way around are presented as if they are based on facts and evidence, when in fact they're just wild guesses mixed with the hope/hatred of the person making the claim.



Please read again. First of all I said "I have the feeling"

"I have the feeling" not mean evidence or facts. IT´S IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW THE FACTS IN THIS THREAD (KIMI vs ROMAIN) BECAUSE STILL NOT HAPPENED and like you can see all we can do is talk about our "feelings", "sensations", like other posts did.

I not hope Romain destroy Kimi, it´s not even what I want (I supported Kimi when Mika said goodbye) but what I think. There is a little difference.

Edited by Alarcon, 05 March 2012 - 22:51.


#75 Alarcon

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 23:53

Destroy? What would the definition of that be.

I am anxious to see how Grosjean does, just to see how harmful Briatore really was to these young drivers. He seems like a decent guy and his goal should be to establish himself as an F1 driver.

I have no skin in this game so if they both do well that's OK with me.



Destroy = what Alonso or Seb did last season against their team mates. ;)

Edited by Alarcon, 05 March 2012 - 23:53.


#76 Callisto

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 00:07

Destroy? What would the definition of that be.

I am anxious to see how Grosjean does, just to see how harmful Briatore really was to these young drivers. He seems like a decent guy and his goal should be to establish himself as an F1 driver.

I have no skin in this game so if they both do well that's OK with me.

:up:

#77 Manneken3000

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 03:19

PS I hope that my billy will be paid before Melbourne as I would hate to withdraw my services and supplies on the eve of the first Grand Prix of 2012. Sadly it is not the Marussia, Catherham, and HRT who have not paid their bills on the 14 day basis on which my company trades.

Unless payment is made assets will be seized at the Australian Grand Prix


yes interesting, well here you might have said too much or not enough!
so "....it is not the Marussia, Catherham, and HRT who have not paid their bills... " then who is it?

#78 walkindude

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 03:21

Whats the difference between this thread and the other Kimi vs Grosjean thread?

#79 Manneken3000

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 03:38

Whats the difference between this thread and the other Kimi vs Grosjean thread?

yes, they should be merged if that's possible.

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#80 Oho

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 03:53

yes, they should be merged if that's possible.


... in binary oblivion as they both descended to almost worst kind of sewage in no time.

#81 W03

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 05:35

Taking an educated guess, which is the best you can do in this situation I would put my educated money on Romain dominating Kimi in every area. I think he showed some great potential in 2009 despite being in an absolutely horrible situation.

#82 Oho

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 05:41

Taking an educated guess, which is the best you can do in this situation I would put my educated money on Romain dominating Kimi in every area. I think he showed some great potential in 2009 despite being in an absolutely horrible situation.


An educated guess, no kidding, what does that mean?

This thread is like reading a bloody doctoral dissertation:

It is widely known -> I think that
Experts agree -> couple of my buddies think so too.....

not that I think you actually have published one.

Edited by Oho, 06 March 2012 - 05:45.


#83 W03

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 06:37

An educated guess, no kidding, what does that mean?

This thread is like reading a bloody doctoral dissertation:



It means, we dont have enough information for a proper analysis, so I am basing my view on my impressions, on how good I think Romain is from what little he has been able to show. He showed good speed against Alonso, and Kimi is about 7 years past his use by date, so I think Romain will surprise a lot of people.

Edited by W03, 06 March 2012 - 06:40.


#84 Jovanotti

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 06:51

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions, i wish i had your crystal ball


Sorry if I was interpreting too much, was quite in a hurry when I wrote it ;)

#85 Oho

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 06:54

It means, we dont have enough information for a proper analysis



Oh its is just your guess based almost entirely on your personal preferences and nothing more and prefixing it with educated was just hyping your own value like I suspected, carry on....

#86 W03

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 06:58

Oh its is just your guess based almost entirely on your personal preferences and nothing more and prefixing it with educated was just hyping your own value like I suspected, carry on....



I dont have a preference, and its based on specific things but they are too general and minimal to make a strong conclusion, which is why im calling it an educated guess.

#87 Oho

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 07:06

I dont have a preference, and its based on specific things but they are too general and minimal to make a strong conclusion, which is why im calling it an educated guess.


You don't, sure could have fooled me. You really do think very highly of yourself, perhaps it would serve you better to dial it down a bit. I would call no guess from any ordinary forum member educated because they are not.

Edited by Oho, 06 March 2012 - 07:41.


#88 Menace

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 07:09

It means, we dont have enough information for a proper analysis, so I am basing my view on my impressions, on how good I think Romain is from what little he has been able to show. He showed good speed against Alonso, and Kimi is about 7 years past his use by date, so I think Romain will surprise a lot of people.


:lol:

Well that there sums up the problem with your "analysis", it's hardly based on reality. :drunk:

I take it you will be the first one here to congratulate KR once/if you are proven utterly wrong in your "analysis"? :up:

#89 flyer121

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 10:29

You don't, sure could have fooled me. You really do think very highly of yourself, perhaps it would serve you better to dial it down a bit. I would call no guess from any ordinary forum member educated because they are not.



Dont worry mate - its Kimi s turn after he busted the Vettel myth and exposed Webber as the Sunday driver he is.

He s like Drver serial Killa :lol:

#90 LeMeilleurDesMeilleurs

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:02

Grosjean 1:32.822
Raikkonen 1:34.275

#91 Zava

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:05

Grosjean 1:32.822
Raikkonen 1:34.275

cool.

#92 hello86

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:08

Please don´t quote him :)

#93 Manneken3000

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:08

still these times means nothing. 2morrow we will know!

#94 Bosseking

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:10

I bet his cock is hard as a rock now, even though it's just free practice. :rotfl:

#95 Raifosa

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:13

Please don´t quote him :)

+1

#96 Zava

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:14

Please don´t quote him :)

hehe :D sorry, won't happen again.

#97 Mastah

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:15

That settles it then, Romain will beat Kimi convincingly this season.

#98 Oho

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:19

That settles it then, Romain will beat Kimi convincingly this season.


Indeed, too bad it won't make diddly squat difference though with both being lapped at least couple times....

Edited by Oho, 16 March 2012 - 07:26.


#99 Mastah

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:22

Yep, Lotus is even slower than Marussia without testing :down:.

Edited by Mastah, 16 March 2012 - 07:22.


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#100 Manneken3000

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:37

I bet his cock is hard as a rock now, even though it's just free practice. :rotfl: