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Lotus E20 - 2012 - Part II


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#1 Victor_RO

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 13:53

The video is now gone but Kravitz confirmed it was the older wing, visually you can see it is the older wing (look at the element just inboard of the endplate) and formula1.com had this to say:


http://www.formula1....12/871/976.html

No doubt people will point fingers about preferential treatment but I don't believe that's the case here. It's not like he hasn't had new developments put on the car straight away in his races so far. Raikkonen seems to be going with what he knows until he sees it is a benefit and might be using Grosjean as a bit of a test mule.



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#2 korzeniow

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 09:06

James Allison, Lotus technical director
“The track itself will put plenty of energy through the tyres thanks to its layout of high speed corners and the abrasion of its surface. While we would be delighted if the UK managed one of its occasional heat waves, there’s certainly potential for the surface temperature to be cooler than Valencia. Low track temperatures would only cause us grief in qualifying, and if we can manage that ourselves rather than needing the track to heat up our tyres then it will be okay.

“The updates we used in Valencia went reasonably well. We had three or four bits that certainly improved matters and a couple of parts we’re still looking to improve. For Silverstone there are some additional tweaks on the car which only those with the very keenest eyes would notice, but we’re hoping they are a step in the right direction.

“It’s the first track for a while with challenging high-speed corners. Things went reasonably well for us in Mugello, Barcelona, Sepang and Melbourne, so we’re quite hopeful that the E20 will prosper.”



#3 Baddoer

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 10:54

I don't expect very strong showing by Lotus in Silverstone, top5 at best.

#4 Skinnyguy

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 14:24

I don't expect very strong showing by Lotus in Silverstone, top5 at best.


I expect good things if they can make it to row 3 or better... I don´t have high hopes for that happening though. Only positive thing I can see for saturday is that Silverstone is a long circuit -with good layout too- to get tyres working as soon as first hot lap.

Edited by Skinnyguy, 02 July 2012 - 14:25.


#5 Cyanide

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 15:25

Any info on updates coming this weekend? They should definitely find a solution for the car operating effectively in low temperatures. Otherwise, they risk falling behind, just like Brawn in '09.

#6 korzeniow

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 16:26

Any info on updates coming this weekend? They should definitely find a solution for the car operating effectively in low temperatures. Otherwise, they risk falling behind, just like Brawn in '09.


You mean failing behind just for this particular race or for the rest of the campaign?

From Allison words: “The track itself will put plenty of energy through the tyres thanks to its layout of high speed corners and the abrasion of its surface", you can conclude that bringing tyre into optimal temperature should (could) be an issue only in qualifications. Race pace is diffrent story. There was nothing wrong wih Lotus pace in cold China GP.

Edited by korzeniow, 02 July 2012 - 16:27.


#7 SilentKiller

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 16:57

Its pretty obvious that the Lotus works the best when the temperature is in the hotter side and the tire compounds aggressive, which works in their favour because of their superior tire management.

Their podiums have all come in races where the temperatures were Hotter or/and tire degradation aggressive.

How many more of the remaining races will they get this advantage?

#8 Vesuvius

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 17:01

I think Lotus will get yet another podium or win this weekend... Layout suits well for E20 and I don't think cold conditions will make the suffer...hot would be advantage but cold is not too bad either.

#9 Cyanide

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 17:24

You mean failing behind just for this particular race or for the rest of the campaign?

From Allison words: “The track itself will put plenty of energy through the tyres thanks to its layout of high speed corners and the abrasion of its surface", you can conclude that bringing tyre into optimal temperature should (could) be an issue only in qualifications. Race pace is diffrent story. There was nothing wrong wih Lotus pace in cold China GP.


There's plenty of colder races coming, so I meant for the rest of the campaign. Brawn had the same issue in 2009, mainly in qualifying.

As for Silverstone, the track's layout might help the E20 in the tyre warm-up situation.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 17:25

Come on, it is not as simple as just cold vs hot weather. What Allison is talking about is: Tyre temperature inside the tire is a net balance of two things - the heat generated in the tyres because of the corners and the heat loss to surrounding based on the track/ambient temperature. This has a bearing on the heat retained inside the tyres. Silverstone is a fast sweeping circuit with constant change of directions. A circuit like this builds lot more heat into the tyres. I would even say this more than accounts for any cold temperature.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 07:24

Come on, it is not as simple as just cold vs hot weather. What Allison is talking about is: Tyre temperature inside the tire is a net balance of two things - the heat generated in the tyres because of the corners and the heat loss to surrounding based on the track/ambient temperature. This has a bearing on the heat retained inside the tyres. Silverstone is a fast sweeping circuit with constant change of directions. A circuit like this builds lot more heat into the tyres. I would even say this more than accounts for any cold temperature.



That is an interested point. I think we also saw this in Monaco where track temps were quite high, but Lotus performance was not that great - possibly because of the nature of the track which doesn't generate enough lateral loads to heat the tires up.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 10:29

Any info on updates coming this weekend? They should definitely find a solution for the car operating effectively in low temperatures. Otherwise, they risk falling behind, just like Brawn in '09.

Allison:
"The updates we used in Valencia went reasonably well. We had three or four bits that certainly improved matters and a couple of parts we're still looking to improve. For Silverstone there are some additional tweaks on the car which only those with the very keenest eyes would notice, but we're hoping they are a step in the right direction."

Every race I hear they're falling back in a development race. It's like a broken record since Monaco, yet they finish on podium while being joint fastest (Canada) or second fastest team (Valencia). Again: temperature or not they should be top 3 team in Silverstone with RB and McLaren.

#13 metz

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 12:06

Heat, Shmeat.
This is predominantly an aero track, and the E20 should be well suited for this.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 11:14

From the forecast here http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2637827, looks like only FP1 is going to be dry.

I wonder how we would perform on a full-wet tires on a high-load circuit like Silverstone. I am thinking that while ambient, and track temps would be low, tire temps might not be that much of an issue, mainly because the wet tires generate temp much better as well. I have a feeling Kimi and Jenson might have good weekends due to their conservative driving styles.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 16:54

Lotus to run the Batman Tumbler in Silverstone.

Should be the only car to finish the race, so finally they will get their 2012 win! ;-)

#16 korzeniow

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 16:59

Lotus to run the Batman Tumbler in Silverstone.

Should be the only car to finish the race, so finally they will get their 2012 win! ;-)


:lol: That should be fun. A new fuel for caption, photoshop and meme threads

#17 phil1993

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 17:00

It's Iceman and Romain!

#18 korzeniow

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 17:04

It's Iceman and Romain!


You mean Iceman and Romin

#19 sniper80

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 19:05

So Iceman becomes Batman for 1 weekend! If he gets on the podium, he should wear a batman mask :D

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#20 Disgrace

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 19:27

Kimi as Batman and Grosjean as the joker, it's perfect.

#21 sniper80

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 19:58

Kimi as Batman and Grosjean as the joker, it's perfect.


That would be a match made in heaven!

#22 Menace

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 20:01

Kimi as Batman and Grosjean as the joker, it's perfect.


:rotfl:

That would be hilarious!

#23 PayasYouRace

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 20:50

I do like when teams do movie tie-ins. Reminds us there there is a not so serious side to F1. :cool:

#24 Vesuvius

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 05:05

Fantastic news about the Batman...looking for the livery and also the movie!:)

#25 walkindude

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 07:32

I do like when teams do movie tie-ins. Reminds us there there is a not so serious side to F1. :cool:

Money talks my friend.They aren't doing this for fun.

#26 MadYarpen

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 08:13

Sure, but it makes you smile somehow;) Comedy shows are also made for money after all.

#27 Carlo's

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 12:00

E20 Front wing, notice the assymetries in inbound fins:
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#28 MadYarpen

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 12:26

I think the angle is playing some tricks on you

#29 SilentKiller

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 12:27

Kimi as Batman and Grosjean as the joker, it's perfect.


How accurate that is.......One doesn't show any emotion at all. The other can't stop laughing.

#30 ivand911

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 12:31

Real Batman:
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Maybe Kimi is the Joker?

#31 Carlo's

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 13:10

I think the angle is playing some tricks on you

Not really:
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#32 korzeniow

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 13:13

Upper plate (in black color) as well as the lower one (in cream color) also differ

Edited by korzeniow, 05 July 2012 - 13:16.


#33 MadYarpen

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 13:28

I can't tell really, I guess I need a picture directly from the front... :( Actually to me they are obviously the same!

Edited by MadYarpen, 05 July 2012 - 13:32.


#34 jrg19

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 13:35

http://f1zoom.co.cc/...B...=131&view=1

The dark knight rises

#35 SirRacer

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 13:52

http://f1zoom.co.cc/...B...=131&view=1

The dark knight rises

ohh, just that?

I thought it'd look like a batmovile or something, more like this

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#36 midgrid

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 13:58

Anyone remember this?

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#37 Disgrace

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 14:15

Toyota in F1? No.

#38 midgrid

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 14:44

:lol:

Well played.

#39 cilurnum

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 15:34

ohh, just that?

I thought it'd look like a batmovile or something, more like this

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Thankfully something Red Bull doesn't need to do any more.

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#40 korzeniow

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 15:54

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#41 Disgrace

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 15:58

A shame they feel the need to use a bastardised version of last years car. I dislike cars that don't exist in their actual form when they were racing.

#42 ruby soho

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 15:58

Real Batman:
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Maybe Kimi is the Joker?

How do you come to that conclusion?

Kimi is a spitting image of Bruce Wayne, likes to party privately, but when he's doing his job he is dead serious.

Romain has funny hair and smiles so much it's a bit freakish.

#43 Skinnyguy

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 17:31

A shame they feel the need to use a bastardised version of last years car. I dislike cars that don't exist in their actual form when they were racing.


Not a shame, it was more beautiful. It´s like this F1 related promos where they still use V10 sound as a background. In fact, if they grabbed a mid 2000´s car with slicks and the Lotus paintwork, it would have been even better :p

#44 Zava

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 09:53

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when did AXE become SURE?

#45 jrg19

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 10:00

Sure is how its branded in the UK

#46 ivand911

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 10:16

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when did AXE become SURE?

It is Rexona, not AXE? Rexona is SURE in UK.


#47 Zava

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 10:18

It is Rexona, not AXE? Rexona is SURE in UK.

yeah, rexona, I messed it up. thanks for correcting me :up:

#48 Baddoer

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 10:37

Bark Knight? What is this?

#49 MadYarpen

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 10:39

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#50 tarmac

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 10:39

Pace seems good.

Grosjean had slightly dryer track than Hamilton. Button and Kimi out at the same time