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Maria de Villota suffers testing crash at Duxford [split]


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#101 Rob

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:06

She's now at Addenbrooke's hopsital and is reportedly in a stable condition.

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#102 JRodrigues

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:06

Even if the impact wasn't at very high speed, there the problem of the car getting under the truck, exposing the helmet. Let's hope it's not something like this. Wish her the best.

#103 ivand911

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:08

Track ramp have to be secured some way. It is good she didn't hit anyone, if she accelerated through the crowd.

#104 pingu666

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:09

it probably should do, and there should be a automatic kill switch based on throttle and brake, incase you get a stuck throttle, or maybe she pressed both pedals by acciedent


#105 Coral

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:10

Very sad news. :(

Best wishes for a speedy recovery Maria.

#106 SirRacer

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:11

Chris Mann, Drivetime presenter on BBC Radio Cambridgeshire, witnessed the accident.
He said: "She got into the car, fired it up and did a test run at probably about 200mph in the rain.
"The car was slightly misfiring but there didn't seem to be any concerns.
"She came back into the area we were in with the engineers. She slowed down but then suddenly, inexplicably accelerated through the crowd and smashed into the side of the truck.
"The top of her car and her helmet seemed to take the brunt of it.
"She didn't move for about 15 minutes.
"Fire crews were there within seconds and the ambulance within minutes.
"After a while we thought we saw some movement of her hands but she appeared to be unconscious or unable to move for quite some time."

Sounds horrible...

I'm spanish and I saw a lot of interviews of her, she usually did reports for our tv showing pieces of "her" Marussia, steering wheel, explaining F1 stuff, etc... she is a very nice woman, very likeable

I'm still holding my tears trying not to cry, but this is shocking news for me and probably all the spanish f1 community, this is terrible... I feel like the day with Kubica's news, all over again...

Edited by SirRacer, 03 July 2012 - 11:14.


#107 GoodSister

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:11

Awful news! Best wishes to Maria.

#108 BestCarWins

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:12

Doesn't sound good at all but I hope and pray she pulls through.

Wouldn't have thought the anti stall would make the car jump forward as described in that article. When the drivers do a bad start and the anti stall kicks in it doesn't seem to move the car forward too much but then I guess that is relative to all the other cars getting better starts.

#109 Red17

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:12

I feel like the day with Kubica's news once over again...

And hopefully she should win that race like Robert did.

#110 KavB

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:14

Horrible news. This sounds like a particularly nasty accident... I hope everything turns out okay.

#111 SenorSjon

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:14

Anti-stall sounds plausible. That wouldn't shift the car to neutral because in case of a bad start you can't recover. When you spin, you engage the clutch and the anti-stall keeps the car from turning of.

Did the car have KERS? Maybe she mispressed a button and shot forward using stored KERS energy?

#112 ivand911

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:15

Anti-stall sounds plausible. That wouldn't shift the car to neutral because in case of a bad start you can't recover. When you spin, you engage the clutch and the anti-stall keeps the car from turning of.

Did the car have KERS? Maybe she mispressed a button and shot forward using stored KERS energy?

I think they don't have KERS.


#113 onemoresolo

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:16

Did the car have KERS? Maybe she mispressed a button and shot forward using stored KERS energy?


Marussia don't have KERS and even if they did it is only available at 100kph.

#114 DanardiF1

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:18

I think they don't have KERS.


They don't. You also have to be doing more than 62mph/100kph to activate KERS.

#115 SirRacer

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:19

Heres she explaining us the steering wheel of the Marussia (spanish...)



#116 midgrid

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:21

Best wishes to Maria for a full and speedy recovery.

From the reports that have been published so far, this sounds like the ultimate in freak accidents, so I hope that there are no knee-jerk reactions until all the information is known.

#117 UPRC

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:22

She's now at Addenbrooke's hopsital and is reportedly in a stable condition.


Stable condition is encouraging. Hopefully we get some good news soon.

#118 pingu666

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:22

the antistall probably has a g sensor so itll know if your spinning or out of control, she would of been in control rolling into the pits, so the grid start sequence would be more likely. or like dc when he plowed into a pitwall.


#119 sosidge

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:23

Terrible news. Best wishes to her for a healthy recovery.

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#120 Clatter

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:24

They don't. You also have to be doing more than 62mph/100kph to activate KERS.


Don't think so.

#121 rhukkas

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:25

Photo tweeted by BBC Cambridge http://twitpic.com/a3duh9

Confirms the idea it's a head impact. Very serious.

#122 SirRacer

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:27

The anti-stall thing doesn't make sense no?

I mean, what the system does is to actuate the cluch and set the car to neutral when the revs are too low, then the driver has to engage a gear again to keep going...

#123 Slowinfastout

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:27

She really plowed under the back of the trailer :(

At least the loading ramp doesn't seem to have been out of the back of the truck like I imagined..

#124 Petroltorque

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:28

Marussia don't use KERS. A half a tonne car travelling at 8 m/s is still a lot of energy to dissapate. If she took a lot of the impact it's the head and neck at risk. It all depends if the helmet technology cushioned the impact and it it did I'm putting shares into that company!

Edited by Petroltorque, 03 July 2012 - 11:41.


#125 ivand911

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:28

Photo tweeted by BBC Cambridge http://twitpic.com/a3duh9

Confirms the idea it's a head impact. Very serious.

Directly in the ramp, this is crazy. Open ramp so close, are they all mad?????


#126 Clatter

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:29

http://www.bbc.co.uk...eshire-18685789
Emergency medical charity Magpas, which helped to treat Villota at the scene, said she had suffered "facial and head injuries" and was in a stable condition on her arrival at hospital.


Sounds very much like she has hit the bars or edge of the trailer. Not something you could duck away from within the confines of the cockpit.

#127 Frozen

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:29

When in the starts the anti-stall kicks in it sounds like the car is reving up because I always thought that it switches to neutral or disengage the clutch when the driver is trying to accelerate in the start, then he switch to 1st again and all gets back to normal but having lost lots of positions.

*EDIT*
Here you can see Sutil spining:

He keeps on throttle to complete the spin but if you look at the wheel, when the car goes backwards in the spin the anti-stall kicks in showing flashing lights in the wheel and clearly the engine sounds like being at idle then he revs up again when the spin is completed and the flashing lights switch off.


Best recovery for Maria, I hope she gets well soon, very likeable woman.

Edited by Frozen, 03 July 2012 - 11:38.


#128 Slowinfastout

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:30

The anti-stall thing doesn't make sense no?

I mean, what the system does is to actuate the cluch and set the car to neutral when the revs are too low, then the driver has to engage a gear again to keep going...


I don't think even the Racecar Engineering guys know precisely what it does, the possibilities are endless.. it's like traction control code, the teams/companies keep that hidden like nothing else.. but I believe the reports of people getting caught by it at first, they wouldn't make that up.

Edited by Slowinfastout, 03 July 2012 - 11:32.


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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:32

Photo tweeted by BBC Cambridge http://twitpic.com/a3duh9

Confirms the idea it's a head impact. Very serious.


That looks terrible. What on earth was that truck doing so close to where the car is stopping? Doesn't seem that safe to me.

#130 Clatter

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:32

The anti-stall thing doesn't make sense no?

I mean, what the system does is to actuate the cluch and set the car to neutral when the revs are too low, then the driver has to engage a gear again to keep going...


That's what I would have thought. I can't find anything that actually explains how it works, but it doesn't make sense to me to just apply throttle.


#131 pingu666

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:32

its something you wouldnt really notice. think of all the stuff u pass on the road thats similerly unsafe, or that you regulary have 120mph closing speed with random cars etc only meter or two apart


#132 the9th

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:33

That's crazy. I only hope we don't hear any more bad news.


#133 tifosiMac

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:35

Photo tweeted by BBC Cambridge http://twitpic.com/a3duh9

Confirms the idea it's a head impact. Very serious.

Thats what I first feared. Unfortunate the trailer loader was at head height as this is the only exposed area for a driver. Unconfirmed reports are she's stable but nothing concrete as yet.

#134 bonjon1979a

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:35

its something you wouldnt really notice. think of all the stuff u pass on the road thats similerly unsafe, or that you regulary have 120mph closing speed with random cars etc only meter or two apart


Maybe. It's hard to tell isn't it what happened at this stage. It seems strange that when you've got a whole airfield you park the truck right next to where the car's going to stop. But then again all the parts etc they need for the car will be in the truck. It's just quite confusing - looks horrible though and thoughts are with her.

#135 ali.unal

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:39

Magpas_Charity @Magpas_Charity
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@Magpas_Charity team just back from Addenbrooke's, after a formula 1 car collided with a lorry at Duxford. The patient is a stable condition

#136 ivand911

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:39

Why they didn't level the ramp with the ground? Why left it like this?

#137 Clatter

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:40

Maybe. It's hard to tell isn't it what happened at this stage. It seems strange that when you've got a whole airfield you park the truck right next to where the car's going to stop. But then again all the parts etc they need for the car will be in the truck. It's just quite confusing - looks horrible though and thoughts are with her.


I think the ramp is a red herring. It wasn't the cause of the accident and we can only speculate if the injuries would be different if it were in a different position.

#138 SirRacer

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:41

Maybe. It's hard to tell isn't it what happened at this stage. It seems strange that when you've got a whole airfield you park the truck right next to where the car's going to stop. But then again all the parts etc they need for the car will be in the truck. It's just quite confusing - looks horrible though and thoughts are with her.

Just put some damn barriers so the car can't go under the truck, FFS...

If the picture posted above is true, the guy in charge of safety should be fired ASAP

#139 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:42

I think the ramp is a red herring. It wasn't the cause of the accident and we can only speculate if the injuries would be different if it were in a different position.


Uhm, it's going to be as important a factor as the car's unexpected acceleration.

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#140 grandmastashi

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:42

Magpas the Emergency Medical Charity have tweeted she's in a 'stable condition'

#141 ANF

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:42

Just put some damn barriers so the car can't go under the truck, FFS...

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#142 Dispenser89

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:42

Crazy. Best wishes to Maria for a full and speedy recovery.

#143 ivand911

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:43

I think the ramp is a red herring. It wasn't the cause of the accident and we can only speculate if the injuries would be different if it were in a different position.

What are you talking. There is a picture ,2-3 seconds after that crash? Zoom it:
http://twitpic.com/a3duh9/full
She hit the ramp with the helmet, I even think her visor was open. And the ramp hit unprotected area.

Edited by ivand911, 03 July 2012 - 11:44.


#144 Wiggy

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:43

Ouch, the tail life looks at eye height :eek:

#145 rolf123

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:43

Just put some damn barriers so the car can't go under the truck, FFS...

If the picture posted above is true, the guy in charge of safety should be fired ASAP


Easy to say in hindsight.

I mean look at F1 wheel-guns. Teams have to pull them out of the way so that cars behind don't run over the air-lines. What happens if someone forgets and an air-line snags around a driver's neck and goes "snap"?

Edited by rolf123, 03 July 2012 - 11:43.


#146 RacingMonk

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:44

Photo tweeted by BBC Cambridge http://twitpic.com/a3duh9

Confirms the idea it's a head impact. Very serious.


Thank God she didn't hit the Skyraider

#147 Petroltorque

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:45

Just put some damn barriers so the car can't go under the truck, FFS...

If the picture posted above is true, the guy in charge of safety should be fired ASAP

I can ASSURE that health and safety will be all over that guy.

#148 Clatter

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:45

What are you talking. There is a picture ,2-3 seconds after that crash? Zoom it:
http://twitpic.com/a3duh9/full
She hit the ramp with the helmet, I even think her visor was open. And the ramp hit unprotected area.


Read what I said carefully before you react.


#149 Antonov

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:45

What happens if someone forgets and an air-line snags around a driver's neck and goes "snap"?


sorry, but, lol

#150 Niceone

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:46

Just put some damn barriers so the car can't go under the truck, FFS...

If the picture posted above is true, the guy in charge of safety should be fired ASAP

All we know that truck could have been way out of normal path. We don't know where that pit box should be and from what direction that car should arrive to etc.