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[aray]

here we go...5 & 1/2 hours away from the start...
waiting for a epic race...



some stats:

Length 5.901 km (3.667 mi)
Turns 18
Lap record 1:30.874 ( Fernando Alonso, Ferrari, 2010, F1)


last 10 winners:

2011 Fernando Alonso
2010 Mark Webber
2009 Sebastian Vettel
2008 Lewis Hamilton
2007 Kimi Räikkönen
2006 Fernando Alonso
2005 Juan Pablo Montoya
2004 Michael Schumacher
2003 Rubens Barrichello
2002 Michael Schumacher

Edited by aray, 08 July 2012 - 06:23.

[Wiggy]

Rain or shine?

[aray]

i would like dry start with rain in 15 minutes afterwards.....
i always enjoy those mayhem...

[KWSN - DSM]

I look forward to the race, but I fear we will get:

1) Delayed start behind safety car.
2) Race let lose after some 3 -7 laps.
3) Some drivers will call and say the track is undrivable
4) Extended safetycar period
5) A dash to the flag

I know that the conditions are not easy, but just race with full wets that is the best way to remove water from the track.

Micheal to win would be great, if not him then Alonso.

[Skellen]

What weather is it like now?

[Requin]

http://uk.weather.co...fromSearch=true

[zk12]

Will there be a race today?
Maybe to much rain, that is expected?

[PEW]

It is overcast and light rain is falling

[ocp]

I'm just wondering...

It would be nice if the full wet weather tyres are narrower but that can't happen.
They are almost useless, although the cars aren't helping too.

[joshb]

GP3 race half start on wets, half on slicks

S/F straight is dry, raining round old pits/Copse/Maggots
Easily inter territory there

Slicks is a massive risk i think now

[Draurelian75]

GP3 starts on light rain conditions, with chances of showers into the next 30 mins.
Track is semiwet, couple of drivers are risking on slicks but like 90% of the field is on wets

[KWSN - DSM]

We were told about 7 times by Humphrey that a full wet tire displace up to 60 liters of water per second, if I multiply the number of cars and tires. Then some 639360 liters of water would be displaced per lap, guess when looking at it that way then something is wrong with the 60 liters per second statement.

[joshb]

We were told about 7 times by Humphrey that a full wet tire displace up to 60 liters of water per second, if I multiply the number of cars and tires. Then some 639360 liters of water would be displaced per lap, guess when looking at it that way then something is wrong with the 60 liters per second statement.

i thought it was all 4 wets get rid of 60L per second, not 1 tyre

[aray]

We were told about 7 times by Humphrey that a full wet tire displace up to 60 liters of water per second, if I multiply the number of cars and tires. Then some 639360 liters of water would be displaced per lap, guess when looking at it that way then something is wrong with the 60 liters per second statement.

what you are not considering is the fact that the part of the water displaced by a car in front,goes towards cars behind...this way effective water volume displaced is far less than your calculation....

[kosmos]

First of all let's hope for a safe race and no SC screwing the start, after that let's hope for a full red podium, Alonso, Massa and Schumi . It's going to be and amazing race but a very difficult one.

[Draurelian75]

GP3 ended with dryed track, drivers on wets having big problems finding any spot of water to cool theyr tires.
Track is dryed-up atm - 9.15am

[zk12]

GP3 ended with dryed track, drivers on wets having big problems finding any spot of water to cool theyr tires.
Track is dryed-up atm - 9.15am

yep but rain/shower is expected before f1 start

[Baddoer]

Red flag on first few laps is the story of this race

[KWSN - DSM]

what you are not considering is the fact that the part of the water displaced by a car in front,goes towards cars behind...this way effective water volume displaced is far less than your calculation....

That was sort of what I was getting at, instead of using the number 60 liters per second I would like that they explained the actual number displaced by a car. I understand that some of the water displaced fall back to the track, however a lot of it go of track through the plumes of spray thrown by the cars, and I will maintain that the best way to clear water from the track is a full field racing.

[LB]

First of all let's hope for a safe race and no SC screwing the start, after that let's hope for a full red podium, Alonso, Massa and Schumi . It's going to be and amazing race but a very difficult one.

Urgh on that podium, mind you I doubt my hopes of Vettel, DiResta and a Caterham is going to happen lol!

[jcbc3]

I'll take a podium of:

Lewis
Kamui
Rosberg

please.

[PARAZAR]

Who else is really excited? Motogp and then F1! I'm just worried that the two will overlap. And also hoping that the rain and SC don't ruin the race.

[joshb]

GP2 about to start, not raining now, track is slick material, damp in parts but they're all on slicks

[Mc_Silver]

Who else is really excited? Motogp and then F1! I'm just worried that the two will overlap. And also hoping that the rain and SC don't ruin the race.

Wıth this FIA it is almost impossible

[F.M.]

Who else is really excited? Motogp and then F1! I'm just worried that the two will overlap. And also hoping that the rain and SC don't ruin the race.

MotoGP, F1, Wimbledon Final

[Mc_Silver]

MotoGP, F1, Wimbledon Final

Oh yes, i need 2 more TVs now

[F.M.]

We were told about 7 times by Humphrey that a full wet tire displace up to 60 liters of water per second, if I multiply the number of cars and tires. Then some 639360 liters of water would be displaced per lap, guess when looking at it that way then something is wrong with the 60 liters per second statement.

If it is 1 tyre, that would mean it has no problem with driving on a track with over 25mm of standing water

[F.M.]

Oh yes, i need 2 more TVs now

Luckily Wimbledon will only start at 2 PM UK time, so an hour later than F1 and MotoGP. So barring SC you'll likely only miss the first set of that match

[Slowinfastout]

Dry so far, unbelievable.

[bonjon1979a]

Have to go to a bloody wedding today. Is it bad form to watch on my iPad during service?

[zk12]

Have to go to a bloody wedding today. Is it bad form to watch on my iPad during service?

No. A man has to do, what he has to do

[PARAZAR]

Have to go to a bloody wedding today. Is it bad form to watch on my iPad during service?

Haha! Probably but if you sit at the back and do it discreetly maybe noone will notice.

[Kelateboy]

i would like dry start with rain in 15 minutes afterwards.....
i always enjoy those mayhem...

If it rains during the race, it will be red flagged at some point in the race. We will have a lengthy delay because nowadays, The FIA feels that F1 is no longer safe to be run in the wet.

So I would like a dry race even though that could mean Alonso waltzing away to an easy win.

[Mr M0by]

No. A man has to do, what he has to do ;)

It's a bit 'off' when you're the groom though!

[zk12]

If it rains during the race, it will be red flagged at some point in the race. We will have a lengthy delay because nowadays, The FIA feels that F1 is no longer safe to be run in the wet.
So I would like a dry race even though that could mean Alonso waltzing away to an easy win.

Cant understand your suggestion. Also in the past races were red flagged because of heavy rain (remember monaco 84 e.g.). there is not really a change in approach witnessable.
if there is to much rain. there is no reason in driving. when the situation is driveable, then let us have some nice wet race action.

[KWSN - DSM]

Cant understand your suggestion. Also in the past races were red flagged because of heavy rain (remember monaco 84 e.g.). there is not really a change in approach witnessable.
if there is to much rain. there is no reason in driving. when the situation is driveable, then let us have some nice wet race action.

The track was driveable yesterday, there were no need to red flag the qualifying. However they will continue to do so, so wet tire racing is a thing of the past.

[zk12]

It's a bit 'off' when you're the groom though!

no real f1-fan would agree to marry on a race-weekend. but if, the others should be tolerant. marriage before race. the party after the race. in the meantime it is all about f1 ;)

[zk12]

The track was driveable yesterday, there were no need to red flag the qualifying. However they will continue to do so, so wet tire racing is a thing of the past.

there were some moments where it was driveable, and some where it was not. an in the time where it was not driveable, the session was interrupted. right decision.

[Fastcake]

Luckily Wimbledon will only start at 2 PM UK time, so an hour later than F1 and MotoGP. So barring SC you'll likely only miss the first set of that match

Right dry race, no red flags or safety car, everyone driving as fast as possible please! Can't be missing this final!

[dweller23]

Starts to rain as we are nearing the end of GP2 race.

[KWSN - DSM]

there were some moments where it was driveable, and some where it was not. an in the time where it was not driveable, the session was interrupted. right decision.

I disagree.

It was driveable at the proper speed, what that speed was I do not know, the drivers who aquaplaned of track were exceeding that speed, but not all drivers were aquaplaning of track. The drivers are racing at the pinacle of the autoracing and as such I expect that they can manage racing in the rain.

No need for red flag yesterday.

[karlth]

Red flag on first few laps is the story of this race

Due to the whining of the following drivers: Button, Di Resta, Webber.

[Dalton007]

Due to the whining of the following drivers: Button, Di Resta, Webber.

Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel. They were whining yesterday too.

[Metronazol]

I disagree.

It was driveable at the proper speed, what that speed was I do not know, the drivers who aquaplaned of track were exceeding that speed, but not all drivers were aquaplaning of track. The drivers are racing at the pinacle of the autoracing and as such I expect that they can manage racing in the rain.

No need for red flag yesterday.

Having actually been sat at the track yesterday, I have to disagree. The rain was apalling, it really doesnt translate to TV that well. Luffield all the way round to as far as I could see up Woodcote was underwater when it was flagged, it really was undriveable.

[Mc_Silver]

Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel. They were whining yesterday too.

Hamilton whining?

[zk12]

I disagree.

It was driveable at the proper speed, what that speed was I do not know, the drivers who aquaplaned of track were exceeding that speed, but not all drivers were aquaplaning of track. The drivers are racing at the pinacle of the autoracing and as such I expect that they can manage racing in the rain.

No need for red flag yesterday.

for you, it seems, there are just two different conditions: dry and wet. but there are much more. dry, light rain, rain, showers, showers with thunders etc.
the thing is, if there is too much rain and too much water on some places, the drivers cant really control the cars, and have visability problems. for you this is no reason to interrupt, till the situation improves, but thankfully there are people who think different, and i am not just talking about the drivers and the team memebers who all welcomed the interruption. i am also talking about fans, who can understand decisions.

and here is an opinion from a person who was there yesterday:

Having actually been sat at the track yesterday, I have to disagree. The rain was apalling, it really doesnt translate to TV that well. Luffield all the way round to as far as I could see up Woodcote was underwater when it was flagged, it really was undriveable.

Edited by zk12, 08 July 2012 - 09:33.

[killdozer]

Hamilton whining?

He said

Its too slippery out here guys. I nearly crashed into a Sauber just then
because I didnt see it.

[Metronazol]

He said

Its not whining if its the truth, is it? If anything, the fact that Hamilton had an issue with the conditions should be a fairly large indicator of just how bad it was.

[velgajski1]

for you, it seems, there are just two different conditions: dry and wet. but there are much more. dry, light rain, rain, showers, showers with thunders etc.
the thing is, if there is too much rain and too much water on some places, the drivers cant really control the cars, and have visability problems. for you this is no reason to interrupt, till the situation improves, but thankfully there are people who think different, and i am not just talking about the drivers and the team memebers who all welcomed the interruption. i am also talking about fans, who can understand decisions.

I agree about red flag (altough in past some events like that wouldn't be red flagged).

But my criticism here was towards waiting too long for restart of the race. When restart was made conditions were a lot better than when Q2 started. Lewis topped his original Q2 time by 5-6 seconds when restart was made, same with other drivers.

Even worse criticism on my part was on Malaysian GP when they literally waited until track was dry enough for inters. That doesn't make any sense, whats the point of wet tyres at all if race is stoppped when conditions are not good for inters anymore and is not continued until conditions are almost ready or ready for inters again?

Edited by velgajski1, 08 July 2012 - 09:41.

[karlth]

for you, it seems, there are just two different conditions: dry and wet. but there are much more. dry, light rain, rain, showers, showers with thunders etc.
the thing is, if there is too much rain and too much water on some places, the drivers cant really control the cars, and have visability problems. for you this is no reason to interrupt, till the situation improves, but thankfully there are people who think different, and i am not just talking about the drivers and the team memebers who all welcomed the interruption. i am also talking about fans, who can understand decisions.

Nobody is talking racing in monsoon conditions or when a part of the circuit turns into a lake. We are talking about conditions that would have been classified several years ago as simply raining or very challenging.