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#51 Disgrace

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 22:41

Why not?

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#52 Chomsky

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 22:44

He and Fernando aren't the best of the friends... if you know what I mean...


They don't have to be. They're both Spaniards and Alonso knows Alguersuari is a fragile punk and will never be as fast as him... kind of like Piquet Jr..


#53 Vesuvius

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 22:49

He is going to Ferrari. Think about it.



No chance! Ferrari wants more experienced driver, it will be Massa or Kovalainen....who both are better than Alguersuari.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 22:50

Out of principle I doubt Ferrari would take leftovers from the Red Bull junior team.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 22:57

No chance! Ferrari wants more experienced driver, it will be Massa or Kovalainen....who both are better than Alguersuari.

Massa has never been the same since his accident and Kovalainen has never been any good anyway. I'd take Alguersuari before either of them. However, I'd also take Perez, Sutil, Maldonado and Hulkenberg before Alguersuari.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 23:05

Out of principle I doubt Ferrari would take leftovers from the Red Bull junior team.


Or they would knowing that Alguersuari was undervalued by RB. If they can take RB's rejects and prove that they were actually better than Marko thought, wouldn't that put Marko's reputation down a few more steps?

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 23:29

Out of principle I doubt Ferrari would take leftovers from the Red Bull junior team.


I bet they would if they were fast enough, but if that were the case they would still be in the RB program.


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Posted 17 July 2012 - 23:31

Maybe in a HRT, Marussia or if he is lucky in a Caterham. But everything else is wishful thinking.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 00:03

Alguersuari is a little overrated around these parts, drivers of his calibre are a dime a dozen, and then you have someone like Pastor who is much quicker and brings buckets of cash as well.

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#60 Creepy

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 02:16

+1

I'd add Vergne and Ricciardo too. They've been erratic and very unconsistent. They can maybe learn, but right now if I wanted a driver for my team, I'd pick Alguersuari over them.


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Toro Rosso should have kept him to serve as benchmark... I'm sure that if so either Vergne or Ricciardo would have looked considerably worse than him. Jaime alone by this time of the year had gotten 12 points meanwhile that's not even what Vergne and Ricciardo have gathered together.

And some may say that's because today's Toro Rosso is worse (maybe yes, maybe not we may know better with an experience driver as Jaime was), but if comparing Jaime to Vettel when he was at Toro Rosso was fair, then it've got to be fair also to compare drivers from just one season of difference.

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About the topic itself... Well, I don't think he'd go to Caterham, Marussia or HRT. He could be at either of those if he had wanted to I think.

Edited by Creepy, 18 July 2012 - 02:17.


#61 Creepy

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 02:27

I like Jaime a lot and I'd be interesting to see what he can do in a competitive car.

Put him in the 2nd McLaren :)


Just saying. What if Button keeps on with his mediocre performances in comparison to Hamilton? I think his complaints about the car are reasonable and I don't understand why McLaren and Button can't fix their issues... But could McLaren get tired of him and hire Alguersuari and go for a similar policy than Ferrari does with a clear #1 and a #2 as Ron Dennis used to do during most of his years?

Perhaps our guess' are the wildest ones though :drunk:

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 04:48

His support here stems mostly from the way Helmut kicked him out of Toro Rosso - not telling him he was out until it was too late for him since he'd declined offers from other teams.

He seems to have a lot of drive and passion to want to get back into F1 too so that's good. I'm not saying he's great in any way but good enough.

Looking at the current field, I don't know who will take him instead of HRT :s. Other midfield teams have strong reserve drivers itching to get in themselves, so his options are limited there, and I don't think a top team will want him as I expect Mclaren,RB,Ferrari,Mercedes to keep their current driver lineup.

I do think he might do a better job than the current Toro Rosso drivers though.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 05:12

The only team where I can see a palce for him would be TorroRosso, but that is very very unlikely. The other teams are either full or prefer drivers who bring money.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 05:43

:D

Go ahead, name eight drivers from the grid that are worse than Alguersuari.

Well Pic, de la Rosa, Narain, probably Glock, also Ricciardio and Vernge, Senna, there's seven.

Possibly Hulkenberg, Kobayashi, Schumacher, Massa etc too if Alguersuari really is a big time star and better than the average midfield standard :eek:

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 06:02

Well Pic, de la Rosa, Narain, probably Glock, also Ricciardio and Vernge, Senna, there's seven.

Possibly Hulkenberg, Kobayashi, Schumacher, Massa etc too if Alguersuari really is a big time star and better than the average midfield standard :eek:


Glock is better than Alguersuari, I would say De La Rosa maybe is not as fast as Alguersuari but better overall.Hulkenberg,Kobayashi,Schumacher and Massa (on his good form )are all better than Alguersuari.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 06:03

Well Pic, de la Rosa, Narain, probably Glock, also Ricciardio and Vernge, Senna, there's seven.

Possibly Hulkenberg, Kobayashi, Schumacher, Massa etc too if Alguersuari really is a big time star and better than the average midfield standard :eek:


I only agree with Narain, Senna, and the STR boys for now... can't really rate Pic.
Other than those i want some of what you are smoking.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 06:07

Massa has never been the same since his accident and Kovalainen has never been any good anyway. I'd take Alguersuari before either of them. However, I'd also take Perez, Sutil, Maldonado and Hulkenberg before Alguersuari.


Didn't Massa qualify p2 , ahead of his team mate Alonso, in his very first race back from his accident, and finish 2nd?

Alguersuari was not even good enough to keep a midfield seat, to suggest hes even as good as those drivers is hilarious. He was a very ordinary driver who was lucky to survive his first season, when he was miles off the pace consistently of his team mate. He deserves a seat in the GP2 F1 cars, but nothing more.

#68 GotYoubyTheBalls

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 06:15

Great driver and i hope Mclaren are looking at him for their second seat. Better Value than Hamilton and probably better driver. Hamilton to Farce India

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 06:30

The speed pack will be 4 for 4! Be great having him back in the saddle. I can only hope the assumption that he has signed is correct. I would hope that he moves up rather than back, but having him back will be great.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:36

The speed pack will be 4 for 4! Be great having him back in the saddle. I can only hope the assumption that he has signed is correct. I would hope that he moves up rather than back, but having him back will be great.

For once we agree :up: :lol:

I find it exciting that he will be back next year, I liked him and I thought he had potential. He was learning a lot and making big steps forward at a constant rate. Last year he didn't perform at the beggining of the year, but then he got his stuff sorted out and carried on and got some good performances, finishing 7 and 8 in some races.

Makes you wonder what he'd do with Button's McLaren :lol: I don't think he would be any worse than Button

Edited by SirRacer, 18 July 2012 - 08:36.


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Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:00

I don't think he will be back if not in a team like HRT with the Spanish connection. I think he wants to be back. Sorry to say but I don't miss him and I don't see him as "extremely" talented either.

Edited by FenderJaguar, 18 July 2012 - 09:13.


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Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:06

I consider Buemi and Alguersuari to be both extremely talented and 2 of the bests young drivers which could develop into stars in the future... I think that the fight they had last year in Toro Rosso was detrimental to both, even though Alguersuari beat Buemi in the end...

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:40

Alguersuari is a little overrated around these parts, drivers of his calibre are a dime a dozen, and then you have someone like Pastor who is much quicker and brings buckets of cash as well.


Pastor might be faster, but he's a psychopath.

I'd hire Jaime before him.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 10:10

I liked Alguersuari a lot and I would fit in with the "shouldn't have been fired from STR" crowd. I'd like to see him back... but I do see talk of a signed contract so soon as a bit far fetched, unless it is for one of the smaller teams. I agree with the consensus that there are a few drivers out there that we probably won't be seeing again but most of them already have people in line to replace them. I'm thinking the bottom three teams as well, if any.

Focusing on Caterham though, it seems a bit bizarre if they've stated their pleasure at both drivers' performance but have already decided that they're booting at least one of them and we're not quite half-way through the season. I guess one always has to worry about Petrov's drive security (I'd say more recently due to unreliable sponsors more than his driving) but he's performed well and kept Kovalainen honest - if anything I'd say he's prompted Kovalainen to up his game, so I'd say they're both performing really well for the team. I'm just wondering however whether Kovalainen has already told the team that he wants to be elsewhere next year?

One would assume van der Garde would be next in line, but if Kovalainen has already decided he's going to leave, perhaps Caterham wouldn't want Petrov teamleading with a rookie, so perhaps take on Alguersuari for his experience and re-evaluated the situation with van der Garde for 2014?
Or maybe they'll just have Alguersuari with van der Garde next year anyway, just to prove me wrong.

Edited by Zedderick, 18 July 2012 - 10:11.


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Posted 18 July 2012 - 10:26

Didn't Massa qualify p2 , ahead of his team mate Alonso, in his very first race back from his accident, and finish 2nd?

And what exactly has he done that's impressive since then?

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:02

The only team where I can see a palce for him would be TorroRosso, but that is very very unlikely. The other teams are either full or prefer drivers who bring money.


Again... It's Toro Rosso. With just 1 R. When is people here going to learn how to spell it?

I don't think he will be back if not in a team like HRT with the Spanish connection. I think he wants to be back. Sorry to say but I don't miss him and I don't see him as "extremely" talented either.


But again, I don't think that's correct since he himself turned down already the HRT drive for this season, isn't it? Besides he said in those recent reports that he is talking with teams not only from the bottom back of the grid.

Edited by Creepy, 18 July 2012 - 11:03.


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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:13

And what exactly has he done that's impressive since then?

Well, it just one more prove that it has nothing to do with the accident but more with Fernando putting massive pressure on him.

I hope Alguersuari won't go to Ferrari, being paired with Alo will probably be the end of his career...

Edited by SirRacer, 18 July 2012 - 11:16.


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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:28

And what exactly has he done that's impressive since then?



So you really meant, he was not the same driver after his accident, except the very first race after his accident? and I guess Germany 2010?

He has side effects from his accident that occasionally affect him? Sounds pretty strange. He is either not the same after accident or he is exactly the same.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:42

Of course you will dear boy, of course you will...

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:12

Seriously.... he won't be back, the guy has done nothing to deserve this hype... slow and doesn't do much....plus he has a bad attitude.


Slow? Alguersuari was clearly outperforming Buemi last year and he had a few really surprisingly great drives.

Bad attitude? I recall Alguersuari being very humble in his interviews. He was always careful with his words and I think he was trying not to step on any toes.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you probably just don't like the guy.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:22

Ferrari aims for a Vettel, they hardly will go for someone who was dropped of a mid-field team.


Why? I thought he was a midfield driver same as Jamie !

Or you do rate Seb - just dont let it show in his threads :)

Edited by flyer121, 18 July 2012 - 12:23.


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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:23

He and Fernando aren't the best of the friends... if you know what I mean...


Are you saying taht Alonso has final say in driver selection ?

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:27

Are you saying taht Alonso has final say in driver selection ?


well Alonso said he will have a say who will be his team mate.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:33

So you really meant, he was not the same driver after his accident, except the very first race after his accident? and I guess Germany 2010?

He has side effects from his accident that occasionally affect him? Sounds pretty strange. He is either not the same after accident or he is exactly the same.

Massa can sometimes have good weekends, but honestly, yes, I do think he is not the same after his accident. The 2008-9 Massa would produce good weekends as the norm; now it is the exception.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:41

de la Rosa, Karthikeyan, Pic, Petrov, Senna and Massa are my uncontroversial choices. Kovalainen and tossup between Maldonado or Schumacher are my controversial choices. But it's not a thread about them, the point is Jaime is good enough to be on the current grid.


Wow, wow, wow...

Despite the fact that Massa is not at his best, I wouldn't rate him lower than Alguersuari at all.
Kovalainen is quite a consistent driver, beating Trulli confortably and Petrov, of course. Maldonado is a 'crasher' but there is no doubt that the guy has a lot of speed! And rating Alguersuari at the same level than Schumacher, the current one, is also a bit too much. He couldn't barely beat Buemi in many races or lead him clearly.

I'm spanish (catalan) and I could see how he speaks and justified in his language his multiple errors and gave me a not very good impression. He had some good races, but for me he is light years behind of those many drivers you mention there.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:45

Bad attitude? I recall Alguersuari being very humble in his interviews. He was always careful with his words and I think he was trying not to step on any toes.


Did you hear him in his mother language? He was not humble at all. Was constantly looking for excuses and in many occasions blaming the team for his bad performances.


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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:51

Why? I thought he was a midfield driver same as Jamie !

Or you do rate Seb - just dont let it show in his threads :)


Lol, no I don't rate him, I'm sure Ferrari wants him as #2 driver


Are you saying taht Alonso has final say in driver selection ?


Yes he has, he said he wouldn't have any problem sharing team with seb :up:

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:52

Did you hear him in his mother language? He was not humble at all. Was constantly looking for excuses and in many occasions blaming the team for his bad performances.

I heard him in catalan (sip, això mateix ;P) and in spanish, and he always had a realistic approach, when he did bad and when he did good.

But as always, the 1st spanish national sport is to critizise ourselves.

Edited by SirRacer, 18 July 2012 - 12:54.


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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:53

Are you saying taht Alonso has final say in driver selection ?

If I remember rightly a few weeks ago Domenicali said that before appointing a driver they would consult with Alonso. I don't think he has the final say though.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:56

It's crazy that he's still only 22, and has 2 and a half seasons in F1 under his belt.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:56

Slow? Alguersuari was clearly outperforming Buemi last year and he had a few really surprisingly great drives.

Bad attitude? I recall Alguersuari being very humble in his interviews. He was always careful with his words and I think he was trying not to step on any toes.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you probably just don't like the guy.


:rotfl: yes, he is the new Senna. The new Bruno Senna. :rotfl: Maybe you guys rate him so high because he is so handsome... :love:


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Posted 18 July 2012 - 13:04

Slow? Alguersuari was clearly outperforming Buemi last year and he had a few really surprisingly great drives.

Bad attitude? I recall Alguersuari being very humble in his interviews. He was always careful with his words and I think he was trying not to step on any toes.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you probably just don't like the guy.

No he wasn't.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 13:07

Force India! I see no other reason for Alguersuari and FI to following each other on twitter than Algu has signed for them.
That´s it folks ! :up:

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 13:17

I heard him in catalan (sip, això mateix ;P) and in spanish, and he always had a realistic approach, when he did bad and when he did good.

But as always, the 1st spanish national sport is to critizise ourselves.


That's too simplistic. I would never criticise De La Rosa for example, who's extremely respectful, or Gene in his old times. I simply don't like the way Alguersuari has clearly expressed that the team messed up his race in many ocasions when in fact he has not been up to the level in many races as well.

Edited by Cesc, 18 July 2012 - 13:18.


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Posted 18 July 2012 - 13:30

That's too simplistic. I would never criticise De La Rosa for example, who's extremely respectful, or Gene in his old times. I simply don't like the way Alguersuari has clearly expressed that the team messed up his race in many ocasions when in fact he has not been up to the level in many races as well.

Yes, you might be right, maybe he said (once?) that the team messed up his race, so? You don't know how was his relationship with the team, how they treated him there, etc. so you are only basing your opinion on that?

I've seen him in many interviews, english, spanish, catalan... about formula 1 and about other stuff, and he has always been respectful and friendly.

If you say he's so unrespectful and cocky, maybe you can point me to some videos/interviews where we can clearly see that.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 14:11

Lol, no I don't rate him, I'm sure Ferrari wants him as #2 driver


Ohh I thought you could still be redeemed. My mistake :) But you do rate him above Jamie which is nice to know.

Anyway Ferrari wanting him as #2 was genuinely hilarious. If that was really the case , then we can seriously forget the idea of Seb joining the reds.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 14:17

Why would the want to hire Alguersuari if the can go for Perez?.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 14:37

Even as a huge Alguersuari fan I think that any idea of him going to Ferrari is complete rubbish. He's definitely worthy of at least a midfield drive, but nothing more than that at the moment. I'm hoping that this alleged contract is with Sauber or Williams. There's no way he could hope for better than that after being out for a year and without showing off his potential in a suitable car (which the Toro Rosso was not).

Does the article actually say that he will be racing in F1 next year or was whatever Alguersuari said worded vaguely? He could just be returning as a full time test driver. If that's the case, I'd say (and hope for) Mercedes since Ross Brawn was very open about complimenting Alguersuari last year.

Edited by UPRC, 18 July 2012 - 14:38.


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Posted 18 July 2012 - 14:54

Ohh I thought you could still be redeemed. My mistake :) But you do rate him above Jamie which is nice to know.

Anyway Ferrari wanting him as #2 was genuinely hilarious. If that was really the case , then we can seriously forget the idea of Seb joining the reds.

Lol, you'd be surprised. In fact I rate Vettel the 3rd best driver on the grid togheter with Rosberg.

And I think Vettel can forget about joining the reds. Its a lose-lose situation for him.

This is a bit offtopic though, sorry.



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Posted 18 July 2012 - 15:01

Does the article actually say that he will be racing in F1 next year or was whatever Alguersuari said worded vaguely? He could just be returning as a full time test driver. If that's the case, I'd say (and hope for) Mercedes since Ross Brawn was very open about complimenting Alguersuari last year.

The article quotes him:

"This year no, but next year we will for sure be competing in the championship at cent per cent" assured without doubting Alguersuari

I don't know if he means that its 100% sure, or that he will be competing at 100% level

but the article title is "Next year I will compete in Formula 1 for sure"