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Poll: Edmonton City Centre Aiport themed poll (13 member(s) have cast votes)

What's your favourite (light) aeroplane?

  1. Cessna 340 (2 votes [15.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.38%

  2. Learjet 35 (3 votes [23.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.08%

  3. Gulfstream G550 (7 votes [53.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 53.85%

  4. Beechcraft Bonanza (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Piper Navajo (1 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

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#1 Risil

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 01:43

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IZOD Indycar Series Round 11 of 15: Edmonton City Centre Airport (note the spelling: we're on Canadian territory)
I'm not going to lie. This season has become quite difficult to call. Okay, the cars are still too slow and expensive, Will Power's scored the most points on road courses, Ganassi cars finished 1-2 at Indianapolis, James Hinchcliffe's reduced the press corps to giggling schoolgirls. But as you may have heard, none of this cast of predictables is leading the points standings with just five rounds left in play. "As you may have heard", because this has been a slow two weeks for news in Indycar-land, and racing headlines have generally followed one of two moulds: 1) Who's this American and what business does he have leading the championship?; and 2) Why isn't Will Power leading the championship?

Both these questions are good news. Obviously.

Further good news can be found by tilting your eyes down the points standings slightly. At this advanced stage of the season, we've still got six drivers within two wins (~80 points) of Hunter-Reay's lead (that would be Castroneves, Dixon, Hinchcliffe, Kanaan and Pagenaud). By this point in the last three seasons, the deeply unscientific "two-win threshold" has only admitted Dario and Dixon plus Leading Penske Driver. This may not mean that Kanaan or Pagenaud or even Helio is going to win the championship, but it does mean that there are a lot of drivers in the midfield who've made plans involving winning races. And when you find yourself amongst them, like Will Power did at Toronto, that points gap don't mean a thing.

And I haven't even mentioned Sebastien Bourdais, who after his rough treatment at Toronto is angry, in that bespectacled, weepy, slightly effeminate way of his. And more relevant than that, he's got a team behind him that's good for a podium finish. Good luck Seabass!

Also known as the "Indy It's-No-Cleveland-But..."
Virtual on-board footage of the track.

Ha ha! It's an airfield course! For some reason St Pete never really feels like one, probably because with its streets, stadium and marina it's more of a Best-Of for CART temporary circuits. None of that variety here! At Edmonton you'll have to get used to acre after acre of flat, featureless, shade-less field. We're using the 2011 configuration again, which with its four-hairpin layout felt like a practical joke aimed in response to the new double-file restart rules. No matter, Wikipedia says that the new course "received rave reviews from several IndyCar drivers". Which is funny, because in this official Youtube video the drivers spend most of their time saying they liked the old one much better. Hey! I did too! You've made some powerful enemies, City of Edmonton.

In the news
It's been a quiet couple of weeks! You'll be pleased to know that Randy Bernard has not resigned, Michael Andretti has not launched a NASCAR team, and J.R. Hildebrand has not lost his National Guard funding. The cost of doing racing is still causing high-level grumbling, as Mark Glendenning explains in Autosport Plus (although Marshall Pruett covered it three weeks ago over on Speed). In a nutshell, the teams are upset at having to buy spares exclusively from Dallara -- the smaller teams want to pay less, Team Penske wants to pay more. But neither of them is happy with the Italians.

Now picture that situation. A close, exciting racing series gradually growing stale amid supplier monopolies, pay drivers and ruinously expensive spare parts. Indycar series, meet GP2. Why Paolo Coloni thinks running an open-wheel team across the Atlantic will be any different, I'm not sure. Although judging by

"So I would like to create a link that can regularly bring European drivers to IndyCar," Coloni explained. "This could be done with my own team, or it could begin bringing a driver to an existing outfit and then evolve in a Coloni IndyCar team later."


he sounds like he hasn't forgotten the handy racing knack of being willing to spend someone else's money.

By the way, if you find yourself wanting to settle down with a long news article, I genuinely recommend Marshall Pruett's six-parter on the career of Jeff Krosnoff, which ended tragically at Toronto in 1996. You may know him as a backmarker who happened to meet an untimely end, but as with Krosnoff's old comrade Roland Ratzenberger, his story was a lot more interesting than that. There's a great book waiting to be written about those Formula Nippon gaijins.

Oh and there's some new rule on the push-to-pass system. Apparently for a few extra seconds the cars will be slightly less underpowered than they are usually.

Schedule. Finally!
Friday, 20th July
10.50-11.50 Indycar practice one
14.30-15.30 Indycar practice two

Saturday, 21st July
8.00-8.45 Indy Lights qualifying
9.00-10.00 Indycar practice three
13.00-14.15 Indycar qualifying
14.30-15.10 Star Mazda race 1
15.32-16.35 Indy Lights race

Sunday, 22nd July
8.00-8.30 Indycar warm-up
9.30-10.15 Star Mazda race 2
10.30-11.45 NASCAR Canadian Tire Series race
12.47pm Indycar GREEN FLAG

NBC Sports are on-air from 10 o'clock, which sounds a bit excessive to me. That's in the most excellently named Mountain Daylight Time, btw, which corresponds to UTC -6 hours. In the UK Sky Sports 4 are showing the race at 7pm. If you have Sky Sports 4 I suggest you tune in then.

Edited by Risil, 19 July 2012 - 10:07.


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#2 teejay

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 02:53

I applaud the intro post.

#3 PayasYouRace

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 07:32

Bah! Terrible poll. Not a Hawker Siddeley 125, Beechcraft King Air 350 or Cessna Citation X in sight. :down: :p


I missed last year's race on the new layout. Hopefully I'll get to watch this one.

Edited by PayasYouRace, 19 July 2012 - 07:33.


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Posted 19 July 2012 - 16:39

By the way, if you find yourself wanting to settle down with a long news article, I genuinely recommend Marshall Pruett's six-parter on the career of Jeff Krosnoff, which ended tragically at Toronto in 1996. You may know him as a backmarker who happened to meet an untimely end, but as with Krosnoff's old comrade Roland Ratzenberger, his story was a lot more interesting than that. There's a great book waiting to be written about those Formula Nippon gaijins.


:up: :up: :up: A must-read indeed.

#5 Risil

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 20:40

Phew, this thread is buzzing. Guess I was right about it being a slow time in Indycars. The four news items deemed front-pagey enough to get on the Indycar.com front page are apparently:

Justin Wilson used to drive Champ Cars

Edmonton has straights and hairpins

Will Power wants to win

British Formula Renault graduate Oli Webb (can anyone tell British ex-Formula Renault drivers apart?) LOVES shopping at the West Edmonton Mall

C'mon, let's see some action, Randy. Announce another three engine partners, whether they really exist or not. Have a qualifying ballot with slips delivered by peregrine falcon. Goad Chip Ganassi with recollections of Chicago Motor Speedway. Anything, just to keep our debased, gamma-ray-shrunk imaginations ticking over!

Edited by Risil, 19 July 2012 - 20:42.


#6 Bloggsworth

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 22:09

I don't know why they don't hold the race in the mall, it's big enough...

#7 Bloggsworth

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 22:17

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Now that's a light aircraft...

#8 jonpollak

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 02:54

We've been on the Hawker900 a few times this year..
Nothing like the days of the whole blinkin' neighborhood on board along with the show cargo on a state department BAE146 in the dead of a Scandinavian winter.

Jp

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:28

We're using the 2011 configuration again, which with its four-hairpin layout felt like a practical joke aimed in response to the new double-file restart rules.


That made me LOL.

#10 Vitesse2

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:13

What's your favourite (light) aeroplane?

You can't beat a nice beaver:

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One of these, that is ...

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#11 Risil

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:20

Shirley you can't be serious.

#12 Bloggsworth

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 14:21

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Thought that was a De Haviland Sea Otter...

#13 red stick

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 15:09

Light aircraft? Saw this one in a movie years ago and have been a fan ever since.

#14 Vitesse2

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 15:10

Illogically, the Otter is slightly bigger than the Beaver. However, you can distinguish them by looking at their tails - which does make sense! :lol:

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#15 Disgrace

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 16:36

Lots of IndyCar news this week I take it.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 19:37

British Formula Renault graduate Oli Webb (can anyone tell British ex-Formula Renault drivers apart?)

I can tell Lewis Hamilton apart, if that's any help?

And I am with Bloggsworth all the way - Dragon Rapides rule OK?
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Now that's a light aircraft...


#17 Option1

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 20:05

Didn't realise there were any Rapides still flying. Such an iconic aircraft of its time.

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#18 PayasYouRace

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 20:08

Much prefer the Heron II.

Anyway back on track as it were, here's practice 1 highlights

#19 Andrew Hope

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 21:10

Big fan of the Fieseler Storch.

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#20 Radoye

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 02:58

Big fan of the Fieseler Storch.


OK here's then one for you - a Storch with floats, on LSD: :p

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 03:26

Shirley you can't be serious.


I am serious, and don't call me Shirley...

I like the circuit. Don't know if I'd feel the same driving it. We would run at an airport in the Northwest and as a driver it's long and basically featureless with few landmarks. As a spectator though, I like this one and Cleveland in particular.


#22 PayasYouRace

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 07:30

Sorry to burst in like this but look: Indycars on track!

Practice 2 highlights.

#23 BRG

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:02

Didn't realise there were any Rapides still flying. Such an iconic aircraft of its time.

Neil

Oh yes. You can even charter one from Air Atlantique.

Now, what was that about cars on track?

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 19:41

I think Rubens just made it into the second qualifying round :). That's the first time, if I am correct.

By the way, I asked KV Racing, via Twitter, if there was any update on Rubens' merchandise availability. They wrote back that "unfortunately it looks like Rubens won't be making any merchandise, his decision not the team's, sorry."

I wonder why that is?? I wanted to get a BMC hat. And I also like the livery of his car and the shirts that the crew wear in the paddock. :( Why wouldn't he allow merchandise? To me, it seems to suggest that he wont be in IndyCar next year?

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 19:41

Is the qualifying live somewhere? Or is it just the live timing and radio feed?

It's down to top 12 and it started to rain apparently

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 19:54

I was following on racecontrol.indycar.com

Rubens ended up P10. I don't care what happens in the Top 6 round, so I left the IndyCar page.

Good luck to Rubens tomorrow!

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 20:14

Hunter-Reay P1, but will get a 10 place penalty. Meaning that Dario will start on pole again. Sato P4 (starts third), Power P7 (6) Rubens P10 (9), etc.

#28 PayasYouRace

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 21:12

This engine change stuff is going to get me down by season's end. Good for Dario though. He needs a boost after having such a nightmare season (apart from the one that matters I suppose).

#29 red stick

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 01:12

Wait, Dario in P1, and RHR with the fastest car? Looks like another RHR win!

#30 OfficeLinebacker

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 17:11

Indy lights racing now, on a drying track! Fun!

#31 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 17:58

That was from yesterday. Don't know what the weather is currently but we'll find out in a few minutes.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 18:04

Reporting in. O Canadaaahhhhhh..

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 18:11

lol @ everyone trying to get Bourdais to apologize, when all he does is change his mind that it was Conway ****ed up, not Kimball.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 18:19

Will this thing and NNS start at the same time :well: ... Would like to watch both.

Oh and the grid's totally mixed now. Power also among those with an engine change. Rubens will actually start 7th now.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 18:28

To be completely predictable, I'm predicting a good performance from Pagenaud and Bourdais today :cool: :lol:

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 18:36

Will this thing and NNS start at the same time :well: ... Would like to watch both.


Well, if you're in the UK, I imagine you could watch one on your TV and one on Sky Go (can you?)

Course, it might be difficult to keep up with this thread as well  ;)


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Posted 22 July 2012 - 18:43

Nah not in the UK, I have to rely on shitty streams. Well I think I found two decent ones, hope they'll work. It's all a bit busy but I'll manage (# firstworldproblems :) )

Edited by greenman, 22 July 2012 - 18:44.


#38 Option1

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 18:43

Or two different windows - in my case one with ALMS at Mosport and one with Indycar. EDIT: ahh, you came to the same solution.

Neil

Edited by Option1, 22 July 2012 - 18:44.


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Posted 22 July 2012 - 18:46

Well good luck! Hope your broadband (& eyes!) can take the strain!

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#40 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 18:47

Best rolling start I have ever seen in an Indycar race.

#41 Slowinfastout

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 18:47

Tag :up:

#42 seltaeb

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 18:48

Good move for Rubens! This track is more F1 like than the street courses they've been on lately.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 18:48

I want push to pass banned for life.

#44 H0R

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 18:53

I want push to pass banned for life.

I'd take it over DRS any day.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 18:54

I want push to pass banned for life.


I want ads banned when cars are on track :mad:

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 18:55

I want push to pass banned for life.

Yeah, it really is unnecessary with these cars.

I want ads banned when cars are on track :mad:

YES!

#47 Slowinfastout

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 18:57

You can push-to-defend so it's certainly no DRS.

#48 Option1

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 18:59

I'd take it over DRS any day.

+1. Although, in an ideal world, I'd rather neither.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 19:00

You can push-to-defend so it's certainly no DRS.


Which makes it kinda pointless...

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 19:03

I certainly miss the old track...