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#1 jrg19

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:31

30 minutes until session starts.

Any opinions/predictions?

Edited by jrg19, 20 July 2012 - 07:32.


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#2 NoDivergence

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:33

Is it raining?

#3 jrg19

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:35

http://uk.weather.co...enheim-GMXX1608

PM showers, so could see a lot of running this morning.

#4 NoDivergence

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:36

Excellent news for McLaren. Hope to see a lot of running today for both Jenson and Lewis to evaluate the parts

#5 Slowinfastout

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:38

Will be one of the busiest practice because they need to test the 'new' tyres.

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/101249

#6 NoDivergence

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:39

Have they made a decision yet if they want to run these new hards in the race or not?

#7 Slowinfastout

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:42

Have they made a decision yet if they want to run these new hards in the race or not?


'We're running them in Friday free practice only' - Pirelli has already nominated the soft and medium tyre compounds for use at its first visit with F1 to Hockenheim.


decision will come later, after having actually tested them...

Edited by Slowinfastout, 20 July 2012 - 07:43.


#8 smoothcrim

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:44

if they do decide to use the new "hards" in a race i assume it wont be until Spa when the hard tyre is specified.

#9 jrg19

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:04

Lots going on at McLaren

#10 Owen

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:05

Lots going on at McLaren

Lewis out.

#11 X61

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:08

I love the SPEED stream--no announcers, just the beautiful sound of F1 engines hard at work.

#12 Zava

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:10

decision will come later, after having actually tested them...

Hembery said it is mostly for next year.

#13 rolf123

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:16

- McLaren has new sidepod fins, look interesting, high-vis being used.

- Sutil in the paddock!

- McLaren with a new rear wing sponsor for this race "Maximuscle" :D

Edited by rolf123, 20 July 2012 - 08:17.


#14 Yoshi

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:16

Lotus will test DDRS in the FP's.
http://www.autosport...t.php/id/101286

Edited by Yoshi, 20 July 2012 - 08:18.


#15 BernieEc

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:21

Is Ferrari testing a new front wing??

#16 Slowinfastout

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:23

Sutil has been in the paddock several times, he was at Silverstone.

#17 kosmos

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:25

frikin rain.

#18 aray

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:25

rain already.....

#19 Slowinfastout

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:29

Lotus hiding the car like it's February lol

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#20 light

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:30

hope rain doesn't ruin setup progression today, i wanna see if mclaren have caught up before we get to qualifying

#21 Jejking

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:32

hope rain doesn't ruin setup progression today, i wanna see if mclaren have caught up before we get to qualifying

FP3 is the session you want to watch.

#22 light

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:33

FP3 is the session you want to watch.

well, any session where they do the long runs

#23 Yoshi

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:36

hope rain doesn't ruin setup progression today, i wanna see if mclaren have caught up before we get to qualifying


According to Massa, the track is now okay, there are only a few wet spots on the track.

#24 Slowinfastout

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:38

significant shower now.. :o

#25 light

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:46

According to Massa, the track is now okay, there are only a few wet spots on the track.

alan mcnish just said there's no reason to be out at the moment...typical, there's no point watching practice when the sessions are like this

#26 jrg19

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:59

Lewis quickest on the test tyre?

#27 Yoshi

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:02

Lewis quickest on the test tyre?


Rosberg is the fastest now on the test tyre.

#28 puxanando

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:10

raining :o

#29 jrg19

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:27

Lots of drivers running wide in the final sector.

#30 PretentiousBread

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:28

Interesting - Hamilton was just held up massively entering the stadium section and yet posted a lap only 7 tenths off the best.

#31 smoothcrim

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:33

times in fp1 mean nothing.

1;13 was pole in 2010.

#32 jrg19

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:33

Nice Helmet from Vettel this weekend, can't find any pictures though.

#33 JRizzle86

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:45

times in fp1 mean nothing.

1;13 was pole in 2010.


I've swear every time someone says "Free Practice Times mean nothing" a Kitten dies.

Edited by JRizzle86, 20 July 2012 - 09:52.


#34 goldenboy

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:53

I've been told every time someone says "Free Practice Times mean nothing" a Kitten dies.

and when you posted that it was exactly post 666!

#35 Absulute

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:59

I've swear every time someone says "Free Practice Times mean nothing" a Kitten dies.

Free Practice Times mean nothing
Free Practice Times mean nothing
Free Practice Times mean nothing
Free Practice Times mean nothing
Free Practice Times mean nothing
Free Practice Times mean nothing
Free Practice Times mean nothing
Free Practice Times mean nothing
Free Practice Times mean nothing
Free Practice Times mean nothing

:smoking:

#36 fisssssi

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:01

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#37 JRizzle86

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:03

and when you posted that it was exactly post 666!


lol

#38 smoothcrim

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:31

people need to be reminded that free practice times mean nothing.kittens rejoice when a noob understands what free practice times mean.

Edited by smoothcrim, 20 July 2012 - 10:31.


#39 Vesuvius

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:39

people need to be reminded that free practice times mean nothing.kittens rejoice when a noob understands what free practice times mean.


indeed, McLaren has topped first friday free practise 5 times in 9 weekends (and now 6/10) also second practise they have topped 5/9 times, but only won 2 races so far :)

Edited by Vesuvius, 20 July 2012 - 10:41.


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#40 karlth

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:44

people need to be reminded that free practice times mean nothing.


It all depends on the available data. The more you know about the configuration of the cars the more significant the free practice times become.


#41 Vesuvius

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:45

It all depends on the available data. The more you know about the configuration of the cars the more significant the free practice times become.


but we know nothing, as we don't know fuel loads etc and there was so little running done today (thanks to the weather)when compared to what they usually do. We will have to wait until qualifying to see where everyone is until that it will only be speculation without any knowlegde what so ever.

Edited by Vesuvius, 20 July 2012 - 10:47.


#42 Henrik B

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:12

Free practice times probably means a lot to the teams who gathers the data and has all the variables. And you can probably guess that McLaren will, at this race, be faster than Marussia. Other than that - not so much.

#43 JRizzle86

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:12

people need to be reminded that free practice times mean nothing.kittens rejoice when a noob understands what free practice times mean.


It is all about being relative, the concept that the practice times have no absolute truth or validity is false, they have only relative, subjective value according to differences in perception and consideration. Unfortunately the factors involved i.e. tyres condition, setup, fuel load, are outside the knowledge of most fans. For the teams the times mean everything because they know what variable factors are involved and how the time has been affected by the factors. Therefore it is the fans job to decifer what factors are at play and be relative.

It is also the rival fans role to write off / accept the times based on the fact of whether their team is actually doing well. :)

Edited by JRizzle86, 20 July 2012 - 11:18.


#44 OoxLox

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:34

It is all about being relative, the concept that the practice times have no absolute truth or validity is false, they have only relative, subjective value according to differences in perception and consideration. Unfortunately the factors involved i.e. tyres condition, setup, fuel load, are outside the knowledge of most fans. For the teams the times mean everything because they know what variable factors are involved and how the time has been affected by the factors. Therefore it is the fans job to decifer what factors are at play and be relative.

It is also the rival fans role to write off / accept the times based on the fact of whether their team is actually doing well. :)


A fine summary of FP from the fan's point of view. Desperately looking for actual evidence to prop up his own delusional optimism about his team's car, and seizing on anything that gives hope the rivals are having problems. Considering all the years we never got to see free practice on the TV, and now we can see on-boards and analyse how much a driver is pushing or correcting etc, there's so much more scope for blowing smoke up each others' backsides prior to finding out for real  ;)

#45 Sakae

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:37

It is all about being relative, the concept that the practice times have no absolute truth or validity is false, they have only relative, subjective value according to differences in perception and consideration. Unfortunately the factors involved i.e. tyres condition, setup, fuel load, are outside the knowledge of most fans. For the teams the times mean everything because they know what variable factors are involved and how the time has been affected by the factors. Therefore it is the fans job to decifer what factors are at play and be relative.

It is also the rival fans role to write off / accept the times based on the fact of whether their team is actually doing well. :)


Relativity here, relativity there, yet over the years I have noticed (cannot supply stats though) that usually quick in practice could mean a good race. Very seldom poor showing on Friday turned into very good Sunday. In Mercedes’s case (and McLaren has join them recently) somehow this was not always so; what I mean is, they did run well whole weekend, and race was just shot.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:43

Adam Cooper ‏@adamcooperf1
#F1 Less than 20 mins to FP2 and rain is really coming down now

:well:

#47 jrg19

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:43

Adam Cooper ‏@adamcooperf1
#F1 Less than 20 mins to FP2 and rain is really coming down now

:well:


Poop.

#48 SirRacer

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:45

Hope it stops raining before the FP2 starts

#49 Slowinfastout

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:47

Gonna be wet regardless... another session ruined.

#50 Gintonious

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:50

Chucking it down now.