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#201 LH08WDC

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:03

33 poles! What a driver at age 25!

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#202 discover23

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:05

Is it true that he set his q2 time on primes?

#203 Alarcon

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:06

33 poles! What a driver at age 25!


Still 24, isn´it?...

#204 Kelateboy

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:07

Is it true that he set his q2 time on primes?

Nope.

He needed 2 sets of options to qualify. That was why he made only 1 single run in Q3.

#205 Alarcon

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:09

VETTELESQUE LAP !!!

Amazing 1 Lap, just one shot, just one try... and proving he´s the best sprinter in the world. A one lap legend !!! When it matters... he deliver under pressure and acheive the pole.

How amazing Quali !!!

Where are the "EBD people"??? Right now the best poleman so far in 2012... and 3rd pole at Valencia. No more words to say.

#206 LH08WDC

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:09

Still 24, isn´it?...


Just checked and you're right. Birthday on July 3.

#207 Theturkeyprize

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:09

Vettel hits 25 on the 3rd of July

#208 Alarcon

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:12

1-Schumacher
2-Senna
3-Vettel

3rd in F1 history with only 24 years old and 88 GP...

Again delivering his benchmark.

Good lap from Lewis too... however as he did in Canada he made a mistake on his first try. :mad:

Fastest drivers over one lap 1st and 2nd again. I love it!

Edited by Alarcon, 23 June 2012 - 13:13.


#209 TheBunk

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:13

Vettel is the most talented driver of his generation. No doubt whatsoever.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:14

He's just equalled Jim Clark and Alain Prost for poles, though Clarks percentage is higher, either way what a fabulous lap, huge congrats to him and his fans :up:

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:18

Unbelievable lap, considering he had only 1 shot at it and the field was so closely matched, but we know what happened in Canada.

33 poles, level with Jim Clark (although he needed 13 more races) and Alain Prost. Wow

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:19

1-Schumacher
2-Senna
3-Vettel

3rd in F1 history with only 24 years old and 88 GP...

Again delivering his benchmark.

Good lap from Lewis too... however as he did in Canada he made a mistake on his first try. :mad:

Fastest drivers over one lap 1st and 2nd again. I love it!


He didn't he was on a used set and they lost grip in the last sector.


Brilliant lap by Vettel :up: and a really great achievement to have had 33 poles.

fingers crossed for a Canada repeat :D

#213 Alarcon

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:21

He didn't he was on a used set and they lost grip in the last sector.


Brilliant lap by Vettel :up: and a really great achievement to have had 33 poles.

fingers crossed for a Canada repeat :D


You are right.

About the first bold :kiss:

About the second bold... :mad:


#214 Alarcon

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:22

Vettel is the most talented driver of his generation. No doubt whatsoever.



Don´t forget Lewis, mate! He is amazing too (even if he´s 2 or 3 years older). We are glad to enjoy them ! And we will be much more glad if Lewis agent would be clever and put Lewis on a RB seat... :clap:

Edited by Alarcon, 23 June 2012 - 13:23.


#215 BullHead

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:22

Well, here we go. For all those doubters, predictability is coming back....

#216 TheBunk

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:22

You are right.

About the first bold :kiss:

About the second bold... :mad:


No worries!! Win number 23 is on the cards!!!

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:26

1-Schumacher
2-Senna
3-Clark
4-Vettel

3rd in F1 history with only 24 years old and 88 GP...

Again delivering his benchmark.

Good lap from Lewis too... however as he did in Canada he made a mistake on his first try. :mad:

Fastest drivers over one lap 1st and 2nd again. I love it!

let's just not run ahead of ourselves.;)

#218 Alarcon

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:26

I miss Fieraku here talking about the EBD...

:rotfl:

As I said time conquers all and right now Seb become the best poleman of the most equal season ever... :smoking:

Let´s see what happens in the future, but we enjoy our moment!!!


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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:30

He's just equalled Jim Clark and Alain Prost for poles, though Clarks percentage is higher, either way what a fabulous lap, huge congrats to him and his fans :up:


Percentages obviously talk more than lump sum numbers given the fact that back in the days you had 10 races per season or less. However, I'm quite sure that Vettel is extremely high on that list too.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:30

He's just equalled Jim Clark and Alain Prost for poles, though Clarks percentage is higher, either way what a fabulous lap, huge congrats to him and his fans :up:

These 2 names are huge legends of the sports. To equal their records must have been some kind of achievement for the young driver.

Amazing. :up:


#221 TheBunk

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:32

Percentages obviously talk more than lump sum numbers given the fact that back in the days you had 10 races per season or less. However, I'm quite sure that Vettel is extremely high on that list too.


On top of that Vettel does it in a field thats closer than ever.

#222 bourbon

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:38

Fantastic Pole by Sebastian and team! That qually was a kicker!

Keep it up Sebi!! :D :up:

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:40

Percentages obviously talk more than lump sum numbers given the fact that back in the days you had 10 races per season or less. However, I'm quite sure that Vettel is extremely high on that list too.



Yeah i agree, Clarks percentage is impressive, not for nothing is he regarded as one of the all time greats, have to say though, Vettel is starting once again to look like something very very special.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:44

Great lap by Vettel, I expected him to be on pole but not by so much. Congratulations to him for equalling Prost and Clark on poles, not a bad couple of drivers to pull level with.

I am expecting tomorrow's race to play out more like Bahrain than Canada, with Hamilton struggling a bit and the Lotus's coming through to challenge. They are starting closer to the front this time though, so I think there is a reasonable chance of a Grosjean or Raikkonen win.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:48

I don't want to sound fanboyish but at the tender age of 24, Seb could retire now and have a career that is right up in the top 10/20 of all time in terms of 2 titles, 22 wins and 33 poles. Not ever so long ago if you were 24, you hadn't even made your debut by then.
Of course there's plenty of talent out there now and there wil be new talent come through over the next 5-10 years but the numbers are really adding up

I would bite your hand off for this result tomorrow:
1. Vettel
2. Raikkonen
3. Grosjean
4. Hamilton
5. Maldonado
6. Rosberg
with Button, Alonso and Webber either not scoring or barely in the points.

That would turn out be a great result (not wanting bad luck on others) and it isn't an unreasonable bet

Edited by joshb, 23 June 2012 - 13:53.


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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:49

Great lap by Vettel, I expected him to be on pole but not by so much. Congratulations to him for equalling Prost and Clark on poles, not a bad couple of drivers to pull level with.

I am expecting tomorrow's race to play out more like Bahrain than Canada, with Hamilton struggling a bit and the Lotus's coming through to challenge. They are starting closer to the front this time though, so I think there is a reasonable chance of a Grosjean or Raikkonen win.


We'll see. RBR brought big updates if I understand correctly, we may also see Vettel in 2011. mode tommorow. OTOH, I agree that McLaren will probably not be biggest threat to Vettel, it will most likely be Lotus drivers.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:50

I don't want to sound fanboyish but at the tender age of 24, Seb could retire now and have a career that is right up in the top 10/20 of all time in terms of 2 titles, 22 wins and 33 poles. Not ever so long ago if you were 24, you hadn't even made your debut by then.
Of course there's plenty of talent out there now and there wil be new talent come through over the next 5-10 years but the numbers are really adding up


Hey it looks great now... give him a bad car for 4 seasons and you will how those records will look like.. :)
Before him Alonso was the youngest 2xWDC. He is still driving but not achieving the same success he enjoyed in the past.

Edited by revlec, 23 June 2012 - 13:52.


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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:51

Clearly the best lap this year, only a couple of laps last year compare to this (China, Suzuka for example) from Seb. It was looking a lot like Catalunya/Monaco with the mysterious losing of pace on throughout Saturday in through Q1/2, but this time a FW adjustment and a perfect lap got him the expected pole. Too bad Ham managed to get 2nd though, would've gladly seen him 5th/6th and looked forward to a boring race tomorrow.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:54

It is amazing how he just nails that one lap. He really is a rare talent.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 13:59

Hey it looks great now... give him a bad car for 4 seasons and you will how those records will look like.. :)
Before him Alonso was the youngest 2xWDC. He is still driving but not achieving the same success he enjoyed in the past.


Smells envy right here... :lol:

Give Senna, Jim Clark... a bad car and you will how those records will look like... :drunk:

Accept the record and congratulate for enjoying him, even if you dislike. You are watching a legend on Q3.

I can be glad because I´ve watched in live Senna, Hakka and Seb. I missed Jim Clark and J.Rindt.

Edited by Alarcon, 23 June 2012 - 14:04.


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Posted 23 June 2012 - 14:01

Clearly the best lap this year, only a couple of laps last year compare to this (China, Suzuka for example) from Seb. It was looking a lot like Catalunya/Monaco with the mysterious losing of pace on throughout Saturday in through Q1/2, but this time a FW adjustment and a perfect lap got him the expected pole. Too bad Ham managed to get 2nd though, would've gladly seen him 5th/6th and looked forward to a boring race tomorrow.


From 2011 you forgot Hungary, Abu Dhabi and Monaco (fastest lap ever in Q3 at this circuit).  ;)



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Posted 23 June 2012 - 14:07

Clearly the best lap this year, only a couple of laps last year compare to this (China, Suzuka for example) from Seb. It was looking a lot like Catalunya/Monaco with the mysterious losing of pace on throughout Saturday in through Q1/2, but this time a FW adjustment and a perfect lap got him the expected pole. Too bad Ham managed to get 2nd though, would've gladly seen him 5th/6th and looked forward to a boring race tomorrow.

This is what I heard, but nothing specifics. What type of adjustment to the front wing? How will it affect the rear tyre degration with full fuel load?

It could be Canada where the rear tyre degration was more than expected, or Bahrain where they got it just about right. Hopefully a front wing adjustment that does not put too much stresses on rear tyres. :D




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Posted 23 June 2012 - 14:24

Not bad at all! Now, the race.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 14:25

From 2011 you forgot Hungary, Abu Dhabi and Monaco (fastest lap ever in Q3 at this circuit). ;)


I didn't forget them, I just didn't feel like writing all of them dowm.  ;)

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 14:25

Great stuff from Vettel. He is a top qualifier! Too bad it happens at the same time the blown diffuser is clearly back at Red Bull :( You can hear it even on TV!

The FIA have access to the standard ECU (supplied by McLaren Electronics) on RB8s to determine whether they are involved in any illegal off throttle blowing or not.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 14:26

Joint 3rd in history and not even 25.. Mind blowing. It's inevitable for Vettel to break the record from Schumacher. It'll be a while before he gets anywhere near Senna though! :p Senna didn't even have a full season to his name at Seb's age, let alone a pole position!

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 14:32

Joint 3rd in history and not even 25.. Mind blowing. It's inevitable for Vettel to break the record from Schumacher. It'll be a while before he gets anywhere near Senna though! :p Senna didn't even have a full season to his name at Seb's age, let alone a pole position!

:up: The man is absolutly untouchable atm.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 14:38

:up: The man is absolutly untouchable atm.


He's not even winning the championship for goodness sake

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 14:38

Hey it looks great now... give him a bad car for 4 seasons and you will how those records will look like.. :)
Before him Alonso was the youngest 2xWDC. He is still driving but not achieving the same success he enjoyed in the past.



yeah, still 2 titles, 22 wins and 33 poles. He could do nothing in the remainder of his career and he still has numbers 95% of the 800+ F1 drivers in history would dream about.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 14:38

He's a very good qualifier but without a dominant car this year I think its showing Hamilton is the best qualifier in F1 currently.

6, 6, 11, 1, 7, 10, 1, 1 - Vettel
1, 1, 2, 2, 1, 4, 2, 2 - Hamilton

Senna, Prost, Vettel also had the benefit of having Adrian Newey cars that dominated the competition. Hamilton has never had this luxury.

Edited by ZooL, 23 June 2012 - 14:44.


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Posted 23 June 2012 - 14:40

The shocking thing is that he is 4-4 with Webber in qualifying this season. I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that Webber is doing just as well though. Lies, damn lies and statistics.........

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 14:46

The shocking thing is that he is 4-4 with Webber in qualifying this season. I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that Webber is doing just as well though. Lies, damn lies and statistics.........


Not really- SV has had his own pace issues in quali this season which can't just be ignored, then you have the teamm letting Webber down such as today and in Spain. On balance 4-4 seems like a fair reflection of the season so far. SV though does seem back in his quali groove so the recent developments must be to his liking.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 14:52

yeah, still 2 titles, 22 wins and 33 poles. He could do nothing in the remainder of his career and he still has numbers 95% of the 800+ F1 drivers in history would dream about.

Unbelievable isn't it
history in the making

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 14:53

He's a very good qualifier but without a dominant car this year I think its showing Hamilton is the best qualifier in F1 currently.

6, 6, 11, 1, 7, 10, 1, 1 - Vettel
1, 1, 2, 2, 1, 4, 2, 2 - Hamilton

Senna, Prost, Vettel also had the benefit of having Adrian Newey cars that dominated the competition. Hamilton has never had this luxury.


Give him a sniff and takes it. The only real shocker where he missed out on a top qualy result being Monaco. The RB has had some fairly wild swings in qualy performance this year. The Mclaren has gone from being quickest to slowly going off the boil, so Hamilton has done very well to maintain an average qualy result of 1.87 when most other drivers would be back on rows 2/3/4 by now with that package

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 14:55

yeah, still 2 titles, 22 wins and 33 poles. He could do nothing in the remainder of his career and he still has numbers 95% of the 800+ F1 drivers in history would dream about.

:up: :up: :up:

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 14:56

He's a very good qualifier but without a dominant car this year I think its showing Hamilton is the best qualifier in F1 currently.

6, 6, 11, 1, 7, 10, 1, 1 - Vettel
1, 1, 2, 2, 1, 4, 2, 2 - Hamilton



You are right that Hamilton in his McLaren is the fastest package out there so far this season. It is Vettel's amazing qualifying strength though that is dragging the Red Bull back to the top. He is in a class of his own in Q3, one of the all time greats.

Edited by halifaxf1fan, 23 June 2012 - 14:56.


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Posted 23 June 2012 - 15:00

Senna, Prost, Vettel also had the benefit of having Adrian Newey cars that dominated the competition. Hamilton has never had this luxury.

Easiest thing in the world to say. if, could, maybe. There are times when he's been ran close, needed to pull out a lap and Vettel still has. Over time the stats don't lie.

Edited by cilurnum, 23 June 2012 - 15:01.


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Posted 23 June 2012 - 15:00

Hamilton has never had this luxury.


Indeed he just had McLaren (One of the best teams in F1 history) through his entire career giving him the best crew to help him achieve through the lower ranks with unlimited money :rotfl: , yet Vettel started with a team regarded as the same league as Virgin racing back in those days until he came along and changed all that with Newey.

Funny how they started to win far more when Vettel entered RBR eh?

Oh! but of course Newey should be hailed above Vettel...... BUT! how many years did he go without winning anything before Vettel came along?....11 very long years! (1999) :drunk:

Funny how it changed for Newey and RBR when Vettel walked in and got them 2 WDC's + 2 WCC's back to back with Webber :rotfl:

Now tell me! Who do you think had the harder job getting where they are now? Vettel or Lewis?

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 15:19

Funny how they started to win far more when Vettel entered RBR eh?

Oh! but of course Newey should be hailed above Vettel...... BUT! how many years did he go without winning anything before Vettel came along?....11 very long years! (1999) :drunk:

11 very long years without winning a championship?

Those were the early days of Red Bull (RB1 - RB5) and the dominant years of Ferrari and Schumacher/Bryne. So those 11 or was it 10 years don't count! :lol:

#250 Alarcon

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:40

He's a very good qualifier but without a dominant car this year I think its showing Hamilton is the best qualifier in F1 currently.

6, 6, 11, 1, 7, 10, 1, 1 - Vettel
1, 1, 2, 2, 1, 4, 2, 2 - Hamilton

Senna, Prost, Vettel also had the benefit of having Adrian Newey cars that dominated the competition. Hamilton has never had this luxury.



Mmm what really hurts you:

-the F1 pole record over one season (2011)?
-the fact he´s been the best qualifier and best poleman since 2009 until so far?
-the fact he´s the 3rd driver with the most number of pole positions in F1 history with only 24 years old and just 88 GP?

or...

-he´s the best poleman in 2012 so far, the most equal season ever, without EBD and engine map?

I´d like to know your answer... :lol: