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#3701 Sakae

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 06:35

I have a question for Vettel's fans. Do you think Vettel wishes to join Ferrari after 2014?...

We do not have insight of his mind, doubtfully very few would really know, including Seb himself. I bet while he is not dismissing possibility of future association, at the moment there is nothing concrete on the table for him to consider. I would not be surprise to learn, that most of them, if not all, would not mind to drive for such prestigious team, such as Ferrari is. One cannot dismiss possibility that at one point Sebastian might want a change in his life, especially if he gets one more WDC with RB. It is state of mind I cannot say that I know for obvious reasons not having WDC on my CV, but I do understand desire to try something else, and accept a new challenges. It is conceivable that at some point Seb will ask himself - can I get WDC without RBR team?
There are technical changes coming in 2014, Mercedes will fix the car and shall move up, yet I do not expect much more progress from Ferrari and McLaren, as they had already top stuff of everything for a long time already, and results..? Lotus is a dark horse, but I do not expect others to rise, thus if Seb will want a change, Mercedes, Ferrari and Lotus might be a group he will be thinking about.


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#3702 gillesthegenius

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 06:50

I have a question for Vettel's fans. Do you think Vettel wishes to join Ferrari after 2014? I constantly get this impression from him when he talks about his relationship with Red Bull. Like, "I'm happy at RB, I have a contract until the end of 2014, there's nothing more to say, etc." He never says stuff like "I want to stay with RB until the end of my career," which seems to be the logical thing to say, considering that RB is a winning team. And again, he didn't extend his contract with RB after winning 3rd WDC, which was almost expected. Another thing I've noticed is how shifty-eyed he looked when he denied that he has any kind of agreement with Ferrari. Even after the whole flaggate thing, Vettel hasn't said anything bad about Ferrari. I think it's a bit strange, because Ferrari(okay, Alonso) kinda deserved it.

As a Ferrari fan, I would like Vettel to replace "the samurai," and the sooner, the better. My first choice for Ferrari would have been Hamilton, but since it's not likely, Vettel it is. To tell the truth, Vettel annoys me with his finger thing, but you have to be blind not to notice that the kid is getting better with every year and he's just 25.


1) I hope he doesnt, god willing, get it into a position where he has to drive for Ferrari.
2) I think Hamilton once said that he wanted to spend the whole of his career as a Mclaren driver. And look what happened.
3) Alonso once said something along the lines of 'as long as its not red'. And look what happened.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:09

Vettel has long said he wants to drive for Ferrari. I have to imagine he will go there eventually if both sides want it. I'll be cheering him on whereever he goes. Nonetheless, that is all of two seasons away, and for now, he and the Bull fit like a glove. :up:


#3704 mnmracer

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:58

I imagine Vettel would want to end his career at Ferrari, so I reckon he would first venture out to Lotus or Mercedes. Much as he loves Red Bull, I think he is someone that like Schumi, would not be opposed to a new challenge.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 13:19

Food for thought:
Before 2012 the teammate of a eventual "Newey champion", finished the season in:
1992 as 2nd
1993 as 3rd
1996 as 2nd
1997 as 2nd (3rd if we neglect MSC´s disqualification)
1998 as 3rd
1999 as 4th
2010 as 3rd
2011 as 3rd

Even if a "newey powered" driver was in the title hunt, but had eventually to settle for 2nd place, his teammate became usually 3rd or 4th* the same year - except for Coulthards 7th place in 2003.
*i also included Mansell´s and Coulthard´s combined results of 94 as a 4th place

So Webber´s 6th place is actually the 2nd worst WDC-position of all teammates* next to a WDC or runner up in a Newey car.
*The other teammates are Patrese, Hill, Mansell/DC (alternating), DC (5x), Villeneuve, Frentzen, Montoya, Webber himself (2x)

So what do yout think: Was Vettel´s WDC the hardest a Newey driver ever achieved? Or did Webber deliver the worst ever season of all No. 2 drivers next to "Newey champions"?

Edited by LiJu914, 04 December 2012 - 13:22.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 13:36

Webber had a good season until Germany, where it tailed off.
It was a combination of bad luck (Gearboxes, bad strategy in Singapore and being punted off twice) and some anonymous races like Hungary and especially Spa, Monza which lead to such a gap.
His qualifying was the best its been in 4 years, losing only 11-9
It became clear that, briliant on his day, Webber struggles to put 20 races together, which the top guys can. A few years ago, Webber would be a half decent bet for a title, but not in todays climate, with the talent in there now.

Shouldn't take anything away from Vettels achievement though. Alonso, Kimi, Vettel all scored roughly 60-70% of their teams totals. Hamilton would've done the same but for bad luck. Those 4 guys were a cut above this year

#3707 gillesthegenius

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 13:45

Food for thought:
Before 2012 the teammate of a eventual "Newey champion", finished the season in:
1992 as 2nd
1993 as 3rd
1996 as 2nd
1997 as 2nd (3rd if we neglect MSC´s disqualification)
1998 as 3rd
1999 as 4th
2010 as 3rd
2011 as 3rd

Even if a "newey powered" driver was in the title hunt, but had eventually to settle for 2nd place, his teammate became usually 3rd or 4th* the same year - except for Coulthards 7th place in 2003.
*i also included Mansell´s and Coulthard´s combined results of 94 as a 4th place

So Webber´s 6th place is actually the 2nd worst WDC-position of all teammates* next to a WDC or runner up in a Newey car.
*The other teammates are Patrese, Hill, Mansell/DC (alternating), DC (5x), Villeneuve, Frentzen, Montoya, Webber himself (2x)

So what do yout think: Was Vettel´s WDC the hardest a Newey driver ever achieved? Or did Webber deliver the worst ever season of all No. 2 drivers next to "Newey champions"?


It obviously was the hardest championship achieved in a 'Newey car'. :D

PS: btw nice work. :up: Some interesting stats in there. Just goes to show what a mega season Kimi put in, in 2003. Had he won that year, that title would have rivalled, and even shaded, Seb's 2012 crown for the 'hardest title achieved in a Newey car'.

Edited by gillesthegenius, 04 December 2012 - 13:52.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 13:49

Food for thought:
Before 2012 the teammate of a eventual "Newey champion", finished the season in:
1992 as 2nd
1993 as 3rd
1996 as 2nd
1997 as 2nd (3rd if we neglect MSC´s disqualification)
1998 as 3rd
1999 as 4th
2010 as 3rd
2011 as 3rd

Even if a "newey powered" driver was in the title hunt, but had eventually to settle for 2nd place, his teammate became usually 3rd or 4th* the same year - except for Coulthards 7th place in 2003.
*i also included Mansell´s and Coulthard´s combined results of 94 as a 4th place

So Webber´s 6th place is actually the 2nd worst WDC-position of all teammates* next to a WDC or runner up in a Newey car.
*The other teammates are Patrese, Hill, Mansell/DC (alternating), DC (5x), Villeneuve, Frentzen, Montoya, Webber himself (2x)

So what do yout think: Was Vettel´s WDC the hardest a Newey driver ever achieved? Or did Webber deliver the worst ever season of all No. 2 drivers next to "Newey champions"?


The regulations have brought the grid a lot closer together than in previous years, and there's arguably more talent at the top than any time in the past. The combination of the two factors means that you don't have to underperform by much to find yourself much further down the championship table than in previous years.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 14:12

The regulations have brought the grid a lot closer together than in previous years, and there's arguably more talent at the top than any time in the past. The combination of the two factors means that you don't have to underperform by much to find yourself much further down the championship table than in previous years.

So the fact Vettel comes out on top 3 years straight, must count for something :)

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 14:23

It obviously was the hardest championship achieved in a 'Newey car'. :D

PS: btw nice work. :up: Some interesting stats in there. Just goes to show what a mega season Kimi put in, in 2003. Had he won that year, that title would have rivalled, and even shaded, Seb's 2012 crown for the 'hardest title achieved in a Newey car'.

I would have to agree, given that the Kimster would've won it against none other than an on-form Michael Schumacher himself. :up:

But if you have anything to add to that, we'd best take it to the Kimi thread. :D

#3711 bourbon

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:59

Seb at Hangar 7 and Post Season Interview at Servus TV Sport & Talk:

http://www.youtube.c...p;v=L6yQP0ntp-c

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 04:18

For the full show (1h 28m) http://www.servustv....011259463143648

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 04:20

Seb at Hangar 7 and Post Season Interview at Servus TV Sport & Talk:

http://www.youtube.c...p;v=L6yQP0ntp-c

I will be at Hangar 7 next month and hopefully, they will already have RB8s there when I'm there. :)

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 08:31

Seb at Hangar 7 and Post Season Interview at Servus TV Sport & Talk:

http://www.youtube.c...p;v=L6yQP0ntp-c

Thanks for sharing. :up:

#3715 H2H

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 10:04


As I have written before I was a great interview with all the guys in the show. Has anybody found an English only version?

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 12:14

Link ...

Flavio Briatore : “The only one who helped Ferrari was Webber,” he added, referring to Vettel’s Red Bull teammate Mark Webber, who is in Briatore’s management stable.


:rolleyes:

:rotfl:

there is team orders, and now there is Manager order :drunk: ... i thought webber was defending hard against Seb in Sao paolo, now Briatore confirms it.

Edited by eronrules, 06 December 2012 - 12:24.


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Posted 06 December 2012 - 12:27

For the full show (1h 28m) http://www.servustv....011259463143648

Tnx for that :up:

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 18:51

Race of Champions draw is out. :D http://raceofchampio...ead-at-roc.aspx

"There will be a mouth-watering battle between the world’s best racers on four wheels and two as 2012 Formula 1 world champion Sebastian Vettel goes up against 2012 MotoGP world champion Jorge Lorenzo and 500cc MotoGP legend Mick Doohan."

Race Of Champions (Sunday December 16)
Group C
Sebastian VETTEL, Formula 1 World Champion 2012, 2011, 2010
Jorge LORENZO, MotoGP World Champion 2012, 2010
Mick DOOHAN, five-time 500cc MotoGP World Champion
ROC Thailand 2, runner-up from ROC Thailand

ROC Nations Cup (Saturday December 15)
Group B
Team Germany (Michael SCHUMACHER & Sebastian VETTEL)
Team Thailand (The two finalists from ROC Thailand)
Team Australia (Mick DOOHAN & Jamie WHINCUP)
Team Asia (The leading ROC Asia team other than Thailand)


***

I was wondering why there wasn't any picture of him.

@CananVaran: Sebastian #Vettel forgot his passport at home and so he cant came in the country!! :D #FiaGala Vettel still at the airport...

You cannot be serious.....

Edited by plumtree, 07 December 2012 - 18:59.


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 19:10

Should beat Lorenzo- its a tough one for the riders to do well in... but it is a 1 race shootout so no room for error
They should get out of the group in nations cup- then its luck of the draw.

As for the passport gaffe, good job its his first error for a long time. Maybe Bernie can present it at Sebs house. Fancy having the Gala in Turkey, its almost always been in Monaco hasn't it?

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 19:15

Should beat Lorenzo- its a tough one for the riders to do well in... but it is a 1 race shootout so no room for error
They should get out of the group in nations cup- then its luck of the draw.

As for the passport gaffe, good job its his first error for a long time. Maybe Bernie can present it at Sebs house. Fancy having the Gala in Turkey, its almost always been in Monaco hasn't it?

At least it didn't happen during the season. :lol: Poor Hanna, btw :p / Last year, it was held in New Delhi.


Edit: Finally he's made it. :clap:
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#3721 Sakae

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 08:45

Seb is certainly projecting himself as a young unorthodox rebel in his public appearances. First of all I didn’t know that he owns a tie of any kind, and now he travels long distance only to lose passport and shows up unshaven. Thanks lord that I don’t see any earing (yet, that is). Carry on buddy, I say. :D

Edited by Sakae, 08 December 2012 - 08:45.


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 23:57

VIDEO HIGHLIGHTS OF THE FIA AWARDS BANQUET 2012 UP AT F1.COM

http://www.formula1....2/12/14155.html

Good chats by Seb, Kimi and Alonso. Seb said some nice things about Fernando and Ferrari. Always the gallant champ! :up:

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 15:30

Race of Champions draw is out. :D http://raceofchampio...ead-at-roc.aspx

ROC Nations Cup (Saturday December 15)
Group B
Team Germany (Michael SCHUMACHER & Sebastian VETTEL)
Team Thailand (The two finalists from ROC Thailand)
Team Australia (Mick DOOHAN & Jamie WHINCUP)
Team Asia (The leading ROC Asia team other than Thailand)


10 F1 WDCs in one team (probably more than an actual F1 team ever had). :clap: So far, they won the nations cup 5 times in a row. Let's see how far they get this time.

It's more a fun event, but I always watching the ROC.


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Posted 09 December 2012 - 16:04

10 F1 WDCs in one team (probably more than an actual F1 team ever had). :clap: So far, they won the nations cup 5 times in a row. Let's see how far they get this time.

It's more a fun event, but I always watching the ROC.


Doohan/Whincup have a fair few titles between them too, even if the V8s isn't a world championship

#3725 mnmracer

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 20:23

Doohan/Whincup have a fair few titles between them too, even if the V8s isn't a world championship

Since others are surely going to wonder the same, let's get the numbers straight right away:
Mick Doohan - 5 times world champion in 500cc.
Jamie Whincup - 4 times V8 Supercar champion.

So 5 world titles, 9 'highest class' titles.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 03:32

A friend of mine tossed this link to me. An interview with Seb's helmet painter, Jens Munser.

# "Racing isn’t just a sport, it’s a show."
http://www.redbull.c...rt-it-s-a-show-

"I know not everyone is happy with it (constant helmet change)," ... "Nowadays drivers don’t have too many chances to show their personality. The helmet gives them the chance to be free and show their character."

"His first helmet was in karts, completely different to how it is today. He was eight years old and he wanted the crab from ‘The Little Mermaid’ on it, which was called Sebastian too. When he began as test-driver in Formula One, he came back to me and asked what I could do." (How cute it is! :D)

"Singapore took a long time. We had to work out what LEDs to use, what battery to use. I was worried it might interfere with the radio. I was hoping the battery would last, it’s a long race, nearly two hours. It was amazing when he won the race, he was greeting the fans and the helmet was still flashing. It was a big relief, I was really happy!"


# Behind the scenes tour of JMD studios
http://www.redbull.c...e-scenes-at-jmd


# My Chat with Jens by the interviewer :up: : His favorites, detailed story behind Singapore LEDs helmet, Silverstone helmet - which was designed by Seb's crew and Monaco one, the process of how he works with Seb and so on.
http://www.reddit.co...ind_the_scenes/

"The Austin helmet was very special but it looked terrible in the car. The idea was nice and on our Facebook account it was one of the most liked. People said how fun and original it was. It’s important for me once a helmet is finished what people think of it. ..."

Does Vettel has any plan to stick with one design? Vettel retires his helmet each time he wins a race. "The helmet is like a trophy for him. Last year he won so many races, I was counting down, and realised after the race he had no more helmets for the year, so we had to make some new ones really fast! Last year we did 16 helmets, this year 13."

# One more (from F1F) : The crab thing was pretty funny. Jens actually designed this helmet for Seb when he was 8 as word around Germany was that he was going to be the next Michael Schumacher. Looks like they were right…

Edited by plumtree, 10 December 2012 - 03:46.


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Posted 10 December 2012 - 07:56

Out of this podcast, and new one for me: Class of F1 - Alonso, Kimi, and Button (in no particular order). Vettel is quite close, but not right up there. Hamilton is lost. What I get out of this is that everyone has an opinion about new world order. As it stands however, Vettle is collecting trophies which the others just dreaming about; but, there is always next time! Rhetoric will intensify no doubt about that.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:34

Precisely. It doesn't matter where we rank the drivers - they all must do their talking on the track. I like Seb's focus on that when everyone tries to distract him with talk about other drivers being better, Newey cars, Ferrari drives, the finger, energy drinks, fits of temper, his teammate, and so on... He just puts his head down and races hard. Ya gotta love it :up:

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 14:50

"His first helmet was in karts, completely different to how it is today. He was eight years old and he wanted the crab from ‘The Little Mermaid’ on it, which was called Sebastian too. When he began as test-driver in Formula One, he came back to me and asked what I could do."

Brilliant. :rotfl:

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 14:09

nice bit of appreciation of Seb yet again by a certain mr. Hamilton:
http://www1.skysport..._medium=twitter

"It's going to be hard to beat Sebastian next year," Hamilton said. "I think Sebastian's going to have another amazing car.

"The car he had this year was fantastic. It's going to be an evolution of that next year. Adrian only seems to get better with age; I think he's going to do something pretty special next year as well."

that guy just simply can't get enough of complimenting Seb. :rolleyes:

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 14:14

Not sure why Alonso and Hamilton constantly feel the need to make such comments about Vettel.

When they win themselves it's always "I", Hamilton feels the need when he's had competition to win to say "those guys were fast...they could take so much speed into X corner".

All three are superb.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 22:45

nice bit of appreciation of Seb yet again by a certain mr. Hamilton:
http://www1.skysport..._medium=twitter

Hamiltons car comments are at the least very odd. His "4 apex" comment was backed by nothing (neither did Vettel miss 4 apexes nor could he afford it - McLaren was the fastest in Q right after he made that comment), the "luckiest driver" statement was also wrong when you analyse Abu Dhabi in more detail and generally McLaren do produce good or even amazing cars as well, so all the Newey praise while certainly deserved is blown a bit out of proportion. It's quite clear that Alonso and Hamiton consider Vettel as inferior, but why do they need to speak about it that often? (I don't think you can only blame the journalists.)


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Posted 11 December 2012 - 22:50

nice bit of appreciation of Seb yet again by a certain mr. Hamilton:
http://www1.skysport..._medium=twitter


Well, Lewis finally saw the light: car performance is everything.

So he left McLaren for Mercedes :D

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 06:43

Well, Lewis finally saw the light: car performance is everything.

So he left McLaren for Mercedes :D

:lol:

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:17

I think it has become more and more obvious that they have a hard time to live with such a level success by another driver. Who would have said after 2006 that Alonso would still be 'just' a double WDC in 2012? Who would have argued in a similar way about Lewis in 2008?

It is certainly ironic in light of his statement that he went from the fastest car on the grid to Mercedes which clearly struggled a lot. We will see how competitive that car will be.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:35

Hamiltons car comments are at the least very odd. His "4 apex" comment was backed by nothing (neither did Vettel miss 4 apexes nor could he afford it - McLaren was the fastest in Q right after he made that comment), the "luckiest driver" statement was also wrong when you analyse Abu Dhabi in more detail and generally McLaren do produce good or even amazing cars as well, so all the Newey praise while certainly deserved is blown a bit out of proportion. It's quite clear that Alonso and Hamiton consider Vettel as inferior, but why do they need to speak about it that often? (I don't think you can only blame the journalists.)



Its especially disingenuous because his car was the fastest this season - whatever the other issues going on. So he is not being completely honest here.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:46

Hamiltons car comments are at the least very odd. His "4 apex" comment was backed by nothing (neither did Vettel miss 4 apexes nor could he afford it - McLaren was the fastest in Q right after he made that comment), the "luckiest driver" statement was also wrong when you analyse Abu Dhabi in more detail and generally McLaren do produce good or even amazing cars as well, so all the Newey praise while certainly deserved is blown a bit out of proportion. It's quite clear that Alonso and Hamiton consider Vettel as inferior, but why do they need to speak about it that often? (I don't think you can only blame the journalists.)

Vettel is the benchmark for other drivers, and a target. Not everyone is playing clean, especially when they need to explain why they haven't accomplished the same as he did.

#3738 gillesthegenius

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:56

These things happen when a 'New World Order' is being established. Remember a certain triple world champ who was branded as just a 'taxi driver' by one of his peers who was being overshadowed by him? :D

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 11:59

Not sure why Alonso and Hamilton constantly feel the need to make such comments about Vettel.


Because they are getting more and more insecure? And it's a normal human reaction.


I wrote this before, this kind of situation doesn't happen that often. I mean, the top dog is always envied but even if for example people, drivers and fans alike, hated Schumacher winning, we all accept that his era was the "Schumacher era". On the other hand, this was not supposed to be the case with Vettel. This was supposed to be the Alonso/Hamilton era. Vettel winning is ruining that and it's pissing people off:)

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 13:58

Because they are getting more and more insecure? And it's a normal human reaction.


I wrote this before, this kind of situation doesn't happen that often. I mean, the top dog is always envied but even if for example people, drivers and fans alike, hated Schumacher winning, we all accept that his era was the "Schumacher era". On the other hand, this was not supposed to be the case with Vettel. This was supposed to be the Alonso/Hamilton era. Vettel winning is ruining that and it's pissing people off:)


Its understandable human psyche but the biggest problem I have with Lewis s latest comments is that he himself was sitting in the car which was capable of beating the Newey rocket just 2 weeks ago. So I dont understand

Alonso - I would understand . Whether I would agree with him is a different matter but atleast Alonso whining and pining for Newey would make some sense. Not Hamilton - maybe he is taking into account his next years drive and comparing it to Newey :)

#3741 BenettonB192

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 14:09

Thers a video now on youtube of the whole Brazil GP from onboard (not all from Seb but a lot, including a big part of his ride back through the field in the first couple laps).
It's fascinating to watch. It looks like he's passing the other cars like in a video game. Completely on the edge. Often looks like he's close to losing the car. Awesome reflexes when it starts to get slippery. On a side note: Hulkenbergs onboards are also very impressive. The FI didnt look like it was easy to drive at all. Tremendous job. Too bad about the Hamilton crash.

edit: sorry if old. just realised the video has beeen up for a while

Edited by BenettonB192, 12 December 2012 - 14:13.


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Posted 12 December 2012 - 19:56

Thers a video now on youtube of the whole Brazil GP from onboard (not all from Seb but a lot, including a big part of his ride back through the field in the first couple laps).
It's fascinating to watch. It looks like he's passing the other cars like in a video game. Completely on the edge. Often looks like he's close to losing the car.


Also shows how hard is to pass with that car.

It´s painfull to see no-KERS cars pulling away from the RB with a perfect slipstream in the main straight. If they lost their edge in qualifying they´ll have to change their approach, that car is a pain to drive in the middle of a group, you exit the corner in a perfect slipstream and by the end of the straight, instead of putting pressure on the guy in front you end up UNDER pressure. I wonder how much is the engine and how much the setup or even the exhausts, because Lotus cars have had that problem too.

#3743 H2H

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 12:41

BTW the top 10 drivers selected by the team principals over the arc of the last 5 years. Counted just full seasons. The factor to adjust the 09 and 08 results was 2.6 (rounded from 2.589) as it was the value closest to get a similar amount of points from both point systems. If you use 2.5 it doesn't change much.

Top 10

Vettel 191
Alonso 183
Hamilton 179
Button 113
Raikkonen 108
Kubica 95
Webber 72
Massa 63
Rosberg 38
Hulk'berg 34

Edited by H2H, 13 December 2012 - 12:43.


#3744 joshb

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 14:38

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/20669262

What if...

Face the facts Benson! 3 times... against the best field of drivers in years

#3745 Skinnyguy

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 15:31

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/20669262
What if...
Face the facts Benson! 3 times... against the best field of drivers in years.


I think he (accidentally) has made a good point in the middle of his rant: all top drivers not being as far appart as their CV suggest.


#3746 LiJu914

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 16:08

All i can read, is Benson´s desperate wish MSC would´ve never been so successful and that he´s also not amused about Vettel´s recent winning streak.

I love it. :lol:

Edited by LiJu914, 13 December 2012 - 16:09.


#3747 H2H

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 17:24


Practically every top rated comment I have seen does have the word bias in it, which is pretty remarkable even for a Benson article. Especially the Schumi part is just :lol:

#3748 gillesthegenius

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 17:37

Alesi probably could have been a 7 time world champion in Benson's world. What a load of rubbish from someone BBC claims to be its chief f1 writer.

How he conveniently forgets all of Seb's misfortunes throughout 2010 and 2012 to imply that he won only because of Alonso's misfortunes is just disgusting.

#3749 BenettonB192

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 18:00

I can't tell the difference between a Benson article and some of the daubery found in this forum.

#3750 Diablobb81

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 18:05

On the one hand some have subjective accolades, others have world titles. :)

Regarding Benson's article i'm just happy to remember that Michael could have been an 11-time world champion. Thank you Benson.

Edited by Diablobb81, 13 December 2012 - 18:06.