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[VDP]

I know that Mc Laren in 1971 tried this type of nose in 1971, copying Brabham BT 33, I seem to remember that they tried once or two, surely Silverstone and Zletweg. Did they ever race a car in this configuration, there is a picture in Automobile year claiming Silverstone with number 9 .

Robert

[f1steveuk]

I have a picture of Hulme dated October 3rd at Watkins Glen, which was race day, and he's using what I would describe as a Tyrrell 002 bluff nose on his car. Of course, just because it says it's October 3rd, doesn't mean that it 100% is!




(Picture brought in the little shop in Monza, not attributed to anyone on the picture)

I recall the BT33 nose looked like a standard nose with the wings replaced with solid 'outters', rather than the smoother Tyrrell type nose.

Just to confuse things, I have also seen a M19 with what looked like a Trojan T101 full width nose, that is to say, not smooth like the Tyrrell one, with sort of steps (it's at this time a picture really would be worth a thousand words!!).

Edited by f1steveuk, 25 July 2012 - 12:08.

[Paul Parker]

I have a picture of Hulme dated October 3rd at Watkins Glen, which was race day, and he's using what I would describe as a Tyrrell 002 bluff nose on his car. Of course, just because it says it's October 3rd, doesn't mean that it 100% is!




(Picture brought in the little shop in Monza, not attributed to anyone on the picture)

I recall the BT33 nose looked like a standard nose with the wings replaced with solid 'outters', rather than the smoother Tyrrell type nose.

Just to confuse things, I have also seen a M19 with what looked like a Trojan T101 full width nose, that is to say, not smooth like the Tyrrell one, with sort of steps (it's at this time a picture really would be worth a thousand words!!).

For what its worth I have used a picture of the McLaren in the pits at Watkins Glen with the full width nose and also Schenken in the Brabham at the Rothmans Victory race at Brands Hatch similarly equipped in my latest in Camera book.

[VDP]

Seems to be a third version, we have Silverstone, Zeltweg and this one. In the race he used the classic nose and If pictures are clear enough without airscope

[Tim Murray]

This McLaren nose was discussed in an earlier thread, and we concluded that it was only used in practice, not the race, at Watkins Glen:

I found these while Googling for a M6A Can-am car. The website was in French, so I don't know it it raced this way or not(it is from the Watkins Glen F1 race in 1971).. It it obviously a Tyrrell styled nose, but also note in this photo they must have borrowed the air scoop from the Penske M19 which was also racing there (Hobbs drove it there).





It must not have worked too well for them, because I don't ever remember seeing it used anywhere else.

It didn't race like that. According to Pete Lyons in Autosport:

Hulme's McLaren was tested with a Tyrrell-type nose, but this was not adopted apparently because its top speed advantage was either nil or insignificant, and its aerodynamic balance was incorrect for the existing rear wing.

Later in the thread this was posted:

Could you possibly tell me the web address of the page with the McLaren picture? That's a shot from my Photobucket albums. I don't mind others using my photos, but a "s'il vous plait" would be nice occasionally . Here's the original



The McLarens were running with dark blue airboxes, but I don't think they had anything to do with the Penske colors. Dark blue parts weren't unusual on McLaren cars. They added Hulme's name to the airbox for the race, but he broke. I took this shot of his car thinking it would be an atmospheric portrait of him, but unfortunately he got up and walked away from the post he had been sitting against just as I was taking the photo (that's his elbow and foot on the left) .




Tim Schenken also ran a sportscar nose on his Brabham BT-33 at the '71 USGP

so I think Don ('felixdk') would not be amused that what appears to be his photo was on sale at Monza.

[f1steveuk]

so I think Don ('felixdk') would not be amused that what appears to be his photo was on sale at Monza.

No I bet he wouldn't, it was a while back now, 99 or 2000 I think, not that that justifies it. Cost me about £2 I think.

[kayemod]

I have a picture of Hulme dated October 3rd at Watkins Glen, which was race day, and he's using what I would describe as a Tyrrell 002 bluff nose on his car. Of course, just because it says it's October 3rd, doesn't mean that it 100% is!

That short-lived nose was indeed a Tyrrell copy, it wasn't terribly successful, though it might have been with more testing. Tyrrell themselves did something very similar throughout much of the 73 season, fielding a car that was to a great extent a Lotus 72 copy, with a chisel nose and side radiators, apart from the distinctive airbox & cockpit surround, it looked very much like a blue Lotus 72. I think its only race appearance was in the hands of Chris Amon at Mosport, though both Stewart and Cevert practiced the spare car in side radiator/chisel nose configuration at several races throughout the year, neither liked it enough to want to race the thing. As they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but Tyrrell won the drivers' championship anyway with their 005s, Lotus of course won the constructors' that year with the 72E.

[arttidesco]

As they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but Tyrrell won the drivers' championship anyway with their 005s, Lotus of course won the constructors' that year with the 72E.

I remember the chisel nose 005, but weren't the cars Stewart and Cevert used in '73 mostly 006's ?

[Tim Murray]

Stewart raced 005 in Argentina and Brazil, and Cevert raced it in South Africa. They raced 006s in all their other races, although they both regularly practised in 005 in its varied configurations, as mentioned above.

[arttidesco]

Stewart raced 005 in Argentina and Brazil, and Cevert raced it in South Africa. They raced 006s in all their other races, although they both regularly practised in 005 in its varied configurations, as mentioned above.

005 of some and 006 of the other then

[Michael Ferner]

'005' and '006' were chassis numbers of the same type of car; I call it the Mk 2 Tyrrell. The team also built chassis '006/2' and '006/3' of the same type, and by the following year '007' was the type designation, and chassis were named '007/x'.

[kayemod]

'005' and '006' were chassis numbers of the same type of car...

Indeed that's what I've always understood, and wasn't the wedge nosed Lotus copy given the number 072 by Tyrrell themselves?

[alansart]

Tim Schenken also ran a sportscar nose on his Brabham BT-33 at the '71 USGP

I seem to remember a similar layout was used on a Rondel F2 Brabham as well.

[arttidesco]

[quote name='alansart' date='Jul 26 2012, 19:20' post='5845893']
I seem to remember a similar layout was used on a Rondel F2 Brabham as well.

BT36 driven by Graham Hill.

[John-w]

Hello,

 

here are 2 photos from my McLaren M19A with "Chevron nose" in scale 1/20th, more photos on "Racing Collectables" soon.

 

 

john-w

[f1steveuk]

That is glorious!!!

[alansart]

Absolutely fabulous. The attention to detail is remarkable.

I like the DFV on the floor. I was in a race workshop a few months ago photographing some spare parts and kept on tripping over this!

[Alan Cox]

That is glorious!!!

I second (or third) that emotion

[MCS]

I second (or third) that emotion

I didn't like the full width nose in period - I thought it looked odd.

 

I have changed my mind now and for some reason - the more I look at it - the better it seems with the bulbous sides of the M19...