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#1 subh

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 12:21

For those who might be interested, this evening you can catch the programme “Superbikes - When Britiain Ruled The World” on ITV4 at 7pm:
“Documentary about World Superbike racing in the 1990s with contributions from Frankie Chili, Carl Fogarty, Neil Hodgson, Keith Huewen, Julian Ryder and James Whitham.”

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#2 Russell Burrows

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 14:28

For those who might be interested, this evening you can catch the programme “Superbikes - When Britiain Ruled The World” on ITV4 at 7pm:
“Documentary about World Superbike racing in the 1990s with contributions from Frankie Chili, Carl Fogarty, Neil Hodgson, Keith Huewen, Julian Ryder and James Whitham.”


Thanks for the info :up:


#3 tonyed

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 16:42

Thanks for the info :up:


Seen it. What a load of shite. The participants seem more bent towards tales of pub brawling than racing.

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#4 exclubracer

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 17:18

^^^^^^^^^^

What Tony said, been on before, didn't rate it at all I'm afraid :rolleyes:

#5 rd500

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 21:54

Seen it. What a load of shite. The participants seem more bent towards tales of pub brawling than racing.

:down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down:



totally agree, there is no doubt between foggy and whitham they talk a load of mince which actually is the type of talk you hear from "superbike" riders even today.

crap programme and ill never forget "foggys" words of "if id have raced doohan id have kicked his ass"

typical british racers of that time, its too hard to get a works ride in 500s like haslam,mackenzie,irons did so ill go second rate racing and become a legend that way.

i have a lot of time for whitham but theres something about this programme that felt wrong.




#6 subh

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 08:38

Yes, it turned out to be quite a strange programme. There were a few good racing clips, but there was a lot more waffle. It wasn’t really a documentary about Superbike racing in the 1990s, as far as I’m concerned. That whole sudden detour where they talked about the TT was never explained. I assume they were trying to make the point that the Fogarty/Whitham generation were inspired to go into racing largely because of Mike Hailwood’s TT comeback. But there was no proper analysis of the rise of the Superbike racing phenomenon, and they covered very few riders - why didn’t they speak to or talk about Rob McElnea, Terry Rymer, John Reynolds, etc? I could go on.

#7 Tonka

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 09:27

It was ITV - did anyone really expect a documentary up to BBC standards? A least it didn't have any 'talking head' celebs telling us how much they enjoyed the racing, which happened before they were born.

Can't say I think too much of Fogarty after reading in his book how his wife had popped under a table in a restaurant and performed a person service to keep him happy. He might as well have written "I married a slapper".



#8 Russell Burrows

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 10:02

It was ITV - did anyone really expect a documentary up to BBC standards? A least it didn't have any 'talking head' celebs telling us how much they enjoyed the racing, which happened before they were born.

Can't say I think too much of Fogarty after reading in his book how his wife had popped under a table in a restaurant and performed a person service to keep him happy. He might as well have written "I married a slapper".

Morning, Vicar.

#9 rd500

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 11:42

must admit i was never really bothered about fogarty, i remember watching the qualifying news on the bbc, i think it was in 94 when he ran up and down donington pit lane kicking cones while agostini just shook his head, thats one way to impress the factory teams!

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 20:33

He might as well have written "I married a slapper".




I'm not sure another British Ducati-riding Superbike World Champion would agree with that - allegedly  ;)

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 20:37

I'm not sure another British Ducati-riding Superbike World Champion would agree with that - allegedly ;)



tut , tut , never happened before , has it :rolleyes:  ;) ??

#12 Tonka

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:24

Morning, Vicar.


Think on. Fogarty has got kids, he's sure to have dozens of signed copies of his book up in the loft. One day his kids will read it. Worse, his kids might go to school and be told about their mother by another kid. Great start in life innit.



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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:02

... and ill never forget "foggys" words of "if id have raced doohan id have kicked his ass"



Did he really say that ? Incredible... :rolleyes:


#14 Russell Burrows

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:55

Think on. Fogarty has got kids, he's sure to have dozens of signed copies of his book up in the loft. One day his kids will read it. Worse, his kids might go to school and be told about their mother by another kid. Great start in life innit.


It’s probably a confection to spice up the book and outrage self appointed moral guardians like you. You're being more than slightly sanctimonious about people that I suspect you have never met nor know much about. In any event, not everyone sees the world in the same way as you and your ilk down there in Palookaville. Have you considered this?

Oh, yeah, you could always ask her about the incident(s) http://twitter.uz/michaelafogarty

Edited by Russell Burrows, 27 July 2012 - 13:06.


#15 tonyed

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 16:59

It’s probably a confection to spice up the book and outrage self appointed moral guardians like you. You're being more than slightly sanctimonious about people that I suspect you have never met nor know much about. In any event, not everyone sees the world in the same way as you and your ilk down there in Palookaville. Have you considered this?

Oh, yeah, you could always ask her about the incident(s) http://twitter.uz/michaelafogarty


Luckily for me I was 38 before I found out what my parents did to have me, then I went into 50 years of shock before I realised I had the book upside down. :eek:

Anyway what's wrong with Palookaville, even downtown Palookaville (the shady side of downtown Palookaville)?

Yes poor old Foggy, rode a bike at least half well and although I am not a dyed in the wool fan, he probably would have kicked most arses in 500s at the time with a good bike, team and concerted campaign. Doohan wasn't unbeatable, most riders he beat were second in their minds before the race started, once they started beating him he had to try harder and started crashing. (Then the lap dancing clubs, but don't tell MF)

I don't think Fogarty ever went to the line thinking he wasn't going to win.

Still, as Adolf Hitler once said, 'Each to their Own' :well:

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 22:37

Kocinski was able to jump on a bike in 1998 which Fogarty claimed the previous season was unrideable and easily won the WSB title that year. Kocinski, a decentish former grand prix rider made Foggy look pretty ordinary to say the least and demonstrated that the WSB riders at that time were really not that special. In my opinion, Fogarty was the most over rated British rider of all time and was never as good as Jeremy McWilliams who never received either the credit or publicity that Fogarty received from the British media.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 12:24

Kocinski was able to jump on a bike in 1998 which Fogarty claimed the previous season was unrideable and easily won the WSB title that year. Kocinski, a decentish former grand prix rider made Foggy look pretty ordinary to say the least and demonstrated that the WSB riders at that time were really not that special. In my opinion, Fogarty was the most over rated British rider of all time and was never as good as Jeremy McWilliams who never received either the credit or publicity that Fogarty received from the British media.


I wish my racing career had been as ordinary as Fogartys' then perhaps I wouldn' still be working full time at the age of 62 with no pension because I spent it all paying for my racing. :confused:

Although I agree that Muckspreader was a vey fine rider he never quite was the right person in the right place at the right time (which often enhances the chances) more's the pity, some of his rides on the supertwin (no not some pathetic converted 650 road bike) and the KR3 were amazing especially at places like PI fast and flowing.

As for Koninski a man(?) with more character defects tha a grid full of ProAmers. It one grand prix he thought he was dicing with Abe someone. Turned out to be Norick. Still from Little Rock Akansas it's probably amazing he could read at all. Ask William Jefferson Blythe, III from (no)Hope Arkanas. :cool:

#18 rd500

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 21:15

Kocinski was able to jump on a bike in 1998 which Fogarty claimed the previous season was unrideable and easily won the WSB title that year. Kocinski, a decentish former grand prix rider made Foggy look pretty ordinary to say the least and demonstrated that the WSB riders at that time were really not that special. In my opinion, Fogarty was the most over rated British rider of all time and was never as good as Jeremy McWilliams who never received either the credit or publicity that Fogarty received from the British media.


i thought i was the only one who thought this!

foggy set the tone for all british racers when it was easier to ride a road bike worlld championship than to fight in gp racing to the top , when sean emmet announced he was giving up gp racing to go wsb jezza laughed at him and said "see you the way down"

as for that old classic that doohan had no competition, watch him race multiple world champions like cadalora, criville or biaggi then say the same thing.

edited to say, remember troy corser in gp racing, he got the bullet after demanding special treatment as he was reigning wsb champion but yet struggled to get in the top 10

or what about gobert,"i can beat doohan so bad i can taste it"

doohan was the master, absolutely, no question and he was a cut above the rest for many years but unfortunately in this country when he was riding at the top of his game the media were obsessed with the much overated wsb and foggy.

i remember foggy issuing a challenge to doohan to race at the wsb at phillip island in 96 and mick replying "why would i want to downgrade, if they want to race me then they must get to the top like i did"

Edited by rd500, 28 July 2012 - 21:31.


#19 fastfitter

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 04:49

i remember foggy issuing a challenge to doohan to race at the wsb at phillip island in 96 and mick replying "why would i want to downgrade, if they want to race me then they must get to the top like i did"



Like it :wave:

I've always thought WSB is for GP never-be's or ex GP riders padding their pension.

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#20 GD66

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 05:33

Plenty of evidence to support that line of thinking. :smoking:

We shall see next season when Spies returns there on the BMW.

Edited by GD66, 29 July 2012 - 07:51.


#21 Russell Burrows

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 14:49

If Doohan was an 8.5, what was Foggy? Or, which two riders from another era would be a good comparison on the relative ability front?

Edited by Russell Burrows, 29 July 2012 - 23:49.


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Posted 29 July 2012 - 15:33

If Doohan was an 8.5, what was Foggy? Or, which two riders from another era would be a good comparison on the ability front?


Fogarty won a couple of world championships and did very well on the Island and NW200. Who achieved more in these different disciplines the last 40 years ?

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 15:52

fogarty a 7.0, he was a bit hairy at times especially in his road racing, him and hislop were pretty much level pegging until carl got the ducati and steve got screwed by honda.

after kocinski won the wsb he was given an nsr500 to race at sugo in japan in the end of year international against doohan, criville, abe etc... i think he finished either 3rd or 4th.

other comparison, mabye rainey and merkel, one went gp and was world champion and the other to wsb to win there,

what about carlos lavado and eddoie lawson, diffrent classes but mabye the 2 best riders of the mid eighties

i was reading that mr linghams back with us aswell.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 15:54

Fogarty won a couple of world championships and did very well on the Island and NW200. Who achieved more in these different disciplines the last 40 years ?



joey dunlop,phil read?

Edited by rd500, 29 July 2012 - 15:57.


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Posted 29 July 2012 - 16:33

joey dunlop,phil read?


Joey Dunlop won obscure Formula TT F1 championships, don't think the level of competition can be compared with the one in the SBK class (doesn't take anything away of Joey's abilities of course)
Read's 'doing the roads' is more than 40 years ago, his outings at the TT in '77 and '78 were certainly not only for the pure love of the sport
And if you suggest Fogarty and Read are on par, I wonder whether the '7.0' rating can be correct

Edited by Rennmax, 29 July 2012 - 16:43.


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Posted 29 July 2012 - 19:12

Fogarty won a couple of world championships and did very well on the Island and NW200. Who achieved more in these different disciplines the last 40 years ?


This is a very contrived question. It feels like the question is almost designed to make sure that Carl Fogarty will be the answer. For example, what different disciplines are you referring to? If you mean road racing and track racing, could you not also include road tracks such as SPA, Imatra, Brno, Macau and Scarborough. If that was the case then Agostini, Sheene, Saarinen, Roberts, Rainey, Schwantz, Spencer and a host of others could be included as well. If you only mean Irish and Isle of Man road races after 1972, I would also argue that Tom Herron, Ron Haslam, John Williams, Jon Ekerold and Graham Crosby were all better riders than Carl Fogarty across the 'disciplines' you refer to.

#27 rd500

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 21:23

"And if you suggest Fogarty and Read are on par"

i wouldn't do that, these were just 2 riders who came to mind from your question.

the TTF1 titles that fogarty won were with arguably even less competiton and many less rounds.

if its just guys who have won on the roads and short circuits then the list is endless.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 19:55

Having witnessed (with hyper-extended jaw) the recent SBK race from Silverstone I got to wondering how many riders through history have crossed the finish line sans bike?

Edited by biercemountain, 10 August 2012 - 22:22.


#29 Russell Burrows

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 19:59

Having witnessed (with hyper-extended jaw) the recent SBK race from Silverstone I got to wondering how many rides through history have crossed the finish line sans bike?

Dennis Rapely, Lydden, about 1977.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 12:14

Having witnessed (with hyper-extended jaw) the recent SBK race from Silverstone I got to wondering how many riders through history have crossed the finish line sans bike?


Chris Conn, Mallory Park, 1967-68

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 14:41

Having witnessed (with hyper-extended jaw) the recent SBK race from Silverstone I got to wondering how many riders through history have crossed the finish line sans bike?


John Norris and John Hynes in the same race, Lydden mid-70's