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#1701 FLB

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Posted 04 February 2023 - 22:51

What does the blue on the car number on the timing screen indicate? They're still GT3 class, but are they not completely pro entries?

On the Youtube feed?

 

 

You're right: The numbers with the blue background are the Pro Am cup cars.


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#1702 RPM40

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Posted 04 February 2023 - 22:55

On the Youtube feed?

 

 

You're right: The numbers with the blue background are the Pro Am cup cars.

 

I'm watching on our local broadcaster, but yeah they seem to be Pro AM with one AM driver.

 

Its a shame Craig Lowndes or Jamie Whincup aren't in a full Pro entry. They are both multi time winners.



#1703 FLB

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Posted 04 February 2023 - 23:02

I'm watching on our local broadcaster, but yeah they seem to be Pro AM with one AM driver.

 

Its a shame Craig Lowndes or Jamie Whincup aren't in a full Pro entry. They are both multi time winners.

The worst part is that the distinction is... somewhat to do with a matter of an option. It mostly has to do with driving time allowances. Hindaugh talked about it at the beginning of the broadcast.

 

 

EX: Kenny Habul, a Bronze, is in a fully Pro Merc (the 75). 



#1704 FLB

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Posted 04 February 2023 - 23:03

Errr, there's still nearly 8 hours to go, guys... 



#1705 RPM40

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Posted 04 February 2023 - 23:10

The worst part is that the distinction is... somewhat to do with a matter of an option. It mostly has to do with driving time allowances. Hindaugh talked about it at the beginning of the broadcast.

 

 

EX: Kenny Habul, a Bronze, is in a fully Pro Merc (the 75). 

I was thinking the same thing. So Rossi's car is considered a full Pro entry. Rossi has only been a full time driver for around 12 months. Its an interesting distinction.



#1706 jonpollak

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Posted 04 February 2023 - 23:26

HELLO !!

 

Lovely Stop from the 888

 

Jp



#1707 jonpollak

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Posted 04 February 2023 - 23:43

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#1708 thegamer23

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Posted 04 February 2023 - 23:56

How is The Doctor doing?

#1709 FLB

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Posted 04 February 2023 - 23:59

How is The Doctor doing?

He did very well in his first stint. They've lost a few positions, but we're in the middle of stops.



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Posted 05 February 2023 - 00:12

Hmmm... not sure Rossi's Bimmer is going to make it to the finish. The rear is coated in something that looks dark and oily, and appears to be getting progressively worse...

Edited by krapmeister, 05 February 2023 - 00:13.


#1711 FLB

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Posted 05 February 2023 - 00:21

Hmmm... not sure Rossi's Bimmer is going to make it to the finish. The rear is coated in something that looks dark and oily, and appears to be getting progressively worse...

They're losing pace...



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Posted 05 February 2023 - 00:29

van Gisbergen is the next Scott McLaughlin, IMHO.

I think he's been the most underrated driver in the world for 10 years. He drives everything very, very fast.



#1713 Alfisti

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Posted 05 February 2023 - 00:34

I ****ing despise "lucky dog" rule. is it a ****ing sporting contest or not? Jesus.Weak. 



#1714 RPM40

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Posted 05 February 2023 - 00:40

I think he's been the most underrated driver in the world for 10 years. He drives everything very, very fast.


He’s a very impressive driver. I would arguably say his success in all categories makes him one of the most accomplished in the world (depending on how you rate success across disciplines versus success in a single series)

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Posted 05 February 2023 - 01:02

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#1716 krapmeister

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Posted 05 February 2023 - 01:55

Are we looking at approx 1/3 of the field out of the race so far?

Edit: I think it's about 1/4 actually

Edited by krapmeister, 05 February 2023 - 02:01.


#1717 Alfisti

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Posted 05 February 2023 - 01:58

Really needs 36 cars

#1718 krapmeister

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Posted 05 February 2023 - 02:10

SVG in the 888 Merc struggling massively at the moment

#1719 RPM40

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Posted 05 February 2023 - 02:14

SVG in the 888 Merc struggling massively at the moment

 

 

888 seem to lack the pace for the outright win. A very unusual situation for them



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#1720 krapmeister

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Posted 05 February 2023 - 02:40

I wonder if the overnight tyre pressure change hurt them more than others

#1721 krapmeister

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Posted 05 February 2023 - 03:14

888 must have some car issues - SVG lost over 50secs during that stint on track apparently

Edit: and now a penalty for a pitlane infringement :/

Edited by krapmeister, 05 February 2023 - 03:33.


#1722 RPM40

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Posted 05 February 2023 - 03:54

The timing needs to show 'most recent lap', this timing system that only shows the lap until the next sector comes up makes it difficult to follow



#1723 RPM40

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Posted 05 February 2023 - 03:54

888 must have some car issues - SVG lost over 50secs during that stint on track apparently

Edit: and now a penalty for a pitlane infringement :/

 

They seem to have pace again at least. The change must have fixed the issue. Still time for a late SC



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Posted 05 February 2023 - 06:06

A well-deserved drive through penalty, and it only took race control and the stewards about a lap to decide that. F1 & FIA, are you paying attention? 



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Posted 05 February 2023 - 06:09

That's a shame for the race, but it was never on. "Jules moved at the end of the braking zone " - he did, but all it did was change WHEN Engel would hit him...

I wonder if he had just let him backnthrough if they could have escaped a penalty?

#1726 wiligates

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Posted 05 February 2023 - 06:11

Fair call. The pass was never on there.



#1727 AustinF1

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Posted 05 February 2023 - 06:29

That's a shame for the race, but it was never on. "Jules moved at the end of the braking zone " - he did, but all it did was change WHEN Engel would hit him...

I wonder if he had just let him backnthrough if they could have escaped a penalty?

Maybe, but that kind of move should get you a penalty whether you give the spot back or not.



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Posted 05 February 2023 - 06:53

Great track!



#1729 RPM40

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Posted 05 February 2023 - 08:20

Not the most exciting race this year but the last few laps were still tense

#1730 Peat

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Posted 05 February 2023 - 08:33

Car count was low and thus frequency of incidents to keep bunching the field the SC.
I think it was pretty good going to have the top 3 line astern after 4.5hrs of green flag running.

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Posted 05 February 2023 - 08:57

I think they might have got 2000kms in as a result of that long late green flag run.

 

One of the better finishes in my book, there was a lot going on in the last couple of stints, and yet you could cover the podium finishers with the proverbial blanket!



#1732 GreenMachine

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Posted 05 February 2023 - 09:05

One of the interesting comments by the broadcasters (I think) was that the 2018 accident that ended the race was the result of a driver (Martin) not seeing the yellow flag.  That was something I wondered about at the time, the prior post didn't have the yellow out but the one before that should have had one out.  The comment was made in the context of the 999 having to fix their electronics, the need emanating from the fact that this was part of the dashboard flag status lights ie a safety issue.



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Posted 05 February 2023 - 11:14

I think they might have got 2000kms in as a result of that long late green flag run.

 

One of the better finishes in my book, there was a lot going on in the last couple of stints, and yet you could cover the podium finishers with the proverbial blanket!

 

They did, 323 laps (2 161-lap Bathurst 1000s plus one lap). Which basically means that the second half of this race is unofficially the fastest Bathurst 1000 in history.  :lol:



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Posted 05 February 2023 - 13:46

The track or cars don't promote good racing. I watched around 4 hours. Very few chances.

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Posted 05 February 2023 - 14:34

Am I seeing it wrong that the momentum of GT3 has stalled a little bit? If I check the provisional grids of the most prestigious fields, the four German brands are there with a few Ferrari and Lambo entries, but not much else. The racing was much more diverse a few years ago. I know there are many upcoming models, but are the brands willing to race with them globally?


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#1736 Victor_RO

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Posted 05 February 2023 - 14:38

Am I seeing it wrong that the momentum of GT3 has stalled a little bit? If I check the provisional grids of the most prestigous fields, the four German brands are there with a few Ferrari and Lambo entries, but not much else. The racing was much more diverse a few years ago. I know there are many upcoming models, but are the brands willing to race with them globally?

 

Bathurst is still a special case for the moment, the GT3 scene is a bit less active over there, pandemic travel restrictions got lifted comparatively late, and intercontinental logistics are still messed up enough that committing to the event probably still raises issues.



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Posted 05 February 2023 - 15:26

The track or cars don't promote good racing. I watched around 4 hours. Very few chances.

Maybe the racing would get better if they ban traction control and ABS? It's usually mistakes that lead to chances, and professional GT drivers won't make many mistakes with driver aids.



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Posted 05 February 2023 - 15:40

Maybe the racing would get better if they ban traction control and ABS? It's usually mistakes that lead to chances, and professional GT drivers won't make many mistakes with driver aids.

 

But that's kinda the point of GT3, it is easily accessible to everyone from amateurs to professionals. This point came up a few times when discussing driving aids in Assetto Corsa Competizione, and even real professional drivers argued that these cars were developed with driving aids in mind and they are quite horrible to drive without them.



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Posted 05 February 2023 - 17:40

Bathurst is still a special case for the moment, the GT3 scene is a bit less active over there, pandemic travel restrictions got lifted comparatively late, and intercontinental logistics are still messed up enough that committing to the event probably still raises issues.

 

Is that what played a part in the grid not being big compared to races pre covid. It was what 28 cars this year last year after the covid restriction's was lifted was similar but it was also later in the year. 



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Posted 06 February 2023 - 22:46

It was a stretch to have the Bathurst 12 Hours right after the Daytona 24 Hours and I had to cut it short as I needed to spend time with some friends.

So I finally caught up with what happened at the end and it was more engaging than just the Merc warfare with some more subtle themes going on here and there.

Looking forward to the rest of the Intercontinental GT season.

Imagine having the Sebring 12 Hours this weekend haha

Loved it, just maybe not right after another huge race. Cheers y'all



#1741 FNG

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Posted 07 February 2023 - 00:00

This track is magnificent.



#1742 GreenMachine

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Posted 07 February 2023 - 01:02

Maybe the racing would get better if they ban traction control and ABS? It's usually mistakes that lead to chances, and professional GT drivers won't make many mistakes with driver aids.

 

That would make life more difficult for the Ams - those wealthy amateur drivers who buy and run these cars - one of whom won this year's race, for the second time  :eek:  :clap: .  Money talks, and no-one is going to spend that much money to look a fool in public - not that it stops them from making mistakes elsewhere, but it does help diminish the gaps between the Ams and the Pros.  And last weekend showed (again) that a good Am can beat the best of the all-Pro cars.



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Posted 07 February 2023 - 08:27

This track is magnificent.


Sure is FNG.

I’d say run a round of the WDC on it.

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Posted 03 May 2023 - 08:16

https://www.supercar...thurst-12-hour/

2024 date pushed back 2 weeks. Hoping to attract more international entries by distancing it from Daytona/Dubai etc. Seems sensible. 



#1745 Gambelli

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Posted 25 December 2023 - 21:46

Less than 2 months out from what was my favorite race of the year.

 

Current entry list is bare bones, hoping for a big increase over the next couple of weeks.

 

Covid really killed the momentum this race had.  Really hope they can get it back as since covid the number of represented manufacturers and star name drivers has dropped.

 

Lets see what happens in the next few weeks...



#1746 azza200

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Posted 25 December 2023 - 22:23

I agree ever since Covid it the last few races have had small grids hopefully this year the grid can be more fuller to pre Covid races. As its an excellent event and starting the race at dawn is so good and the flow of the race is one of the best of the year. 

 

Considering at one point it had every team and driver there around 2013-18 with some epic races and battles. 



#1747 Alfisti

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Posted 26 December 2023 - 03:37

I like these cars on this track but I'll never understand 12 hr racing, 6 hours is perfect.

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Posted 26 December 2023 - 03:48

If we can't have 24hr races, this is the next best.  I like test cricket too, these long form events allow for strategies to  play out.  I doubt I will get there this year, and will therefore be camped in front of the TV for the day  :wave:



#1749 Gambelli

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Posted 26 December 2023 - 04:43

If we can't have 24hr races, this is the next best.  I like test cricket too, these long form events allow for strategies to  play out.  I doubt I will get there this year, and will therefore be camped in front of the TV for the day  :wave:

 

Couldn't agree more with all of this (as I sit here waiting for the cricket to restart)



#1750 August

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Posted 26 December 2023 - 21:08

If we can't have 24hr races, this is the next best. I like test cricket too, these long form events allow for strategies to play out. I doubt I will get there this year, and will therefore be camped in front of the TV for the day :wave:


I almost prefer 12hr races over 24hr ones. 12 hrs is long enough to recover from technical issues or damage whereas 6hr races are too short for it. Yet in comparison to 24hr races, 12hr races aren’t too long to watch in whole. Plus 12hr races will have some night running as well, with Bathurst uniquely having the night running at the start.