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Posted 26 July 2012 - 18:22
#3
Posted 26 July 2012 - 18:31
Alain Prost, South Africa 1982.With the discussions about Hamilton and Vettel in Hockenheim I came to the question: Was there a Grand Prix won by a driver who was a lap behind the leader in a time of the race? Perhaps also before 1950?
#4
Posted 26 July 2012 - 21:16
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#5
Posted 26 July 2012 - 22:01
#6
Posted 26 July 2012 - 23:14
I'm sure that has happened many times at Indy and in other non-Championship Grands Prix.
If we opened it up to major Sports Car events we could talk about Pedro, couldn't we?
#7
Posted 26 July 2012 - 23:18
#8
Posted 26 July 2012 - 23:28
#9
Posted 27 July 2012 - 00:10
I'm sure you'd find a few of those. Again out of the square, but Peter Brock had six laps in hand at Bathurst in 1974 when his engine let go.
#10
Posted 27 July 2012 - 07:51
#11
Posted 27 July 2012 - 07:52
Ah, but was that a 'Grand Prix'?
I'm sure that has happened many times at Indy and in other non-Championship Grands Prix.
If we opened it up to major Sports Car events we could talk about Pedro, couldn't we?
We could also mention non Championship Grand Prix and such before 1950.
#12
Posted 27 July 2012 - 07:53
He postulated a two-part race where first part was won by over a lap from cars "B" and "C" by a car that did not finish in the second part. The leader of the second part had finished several laps down in the first part but had fixed his problem so was a lap ahead of the next cars which were "C" and "B".
The task was to add up the laps and times to produce a race result and, having done that, an explanation that would satisfy the Stewards of how the winner and runner-up (cars "B" and "C") could have those places despite having covered 2 laps less than the official race distance.
#13
Posted 27 July 2012 - 08:40
#14
Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:09
Imagine if Patrese had been DQ'd at Monaco in 1982...who would have won that? Pironi was 2nd but retired; the Loti would surely have been able to complete the distance had Patrese stopped just short of the finishing line.The task was to add up the laps and times to produce a race result and, having done that, an explanation that would satisfy the Stewards of how the winner and runner-up (cars "B" and "C") could have those places despite having covered 2 laps less than the official race distance.
#15
Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:30
#16
Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:02
#17
Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:03
Prost in Kyalami, 1982 IIRC.
Really? I know he had a puncture and had an extra stop, but was he really a lap behind the leader?
#18
Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:27
Really? I know he had a puncture and had an extra stop, but was he really a lap behind the leader?
"By the time he had limped back to the pits and bolted on a new set of boots, he was a lap down and rejoined in eighth."
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#19
Posted 27 July 2012 - 18:06
When I saw this topic I thought of the late, great King-Farlow's puzzle for training RAC Timekeepers.
He postulated a two-part race where first part was won by over a lap from cars "B" and "C" by a car that did not finish in the second part. The leader of the second part had finished several laps down in the first part but had fixed his problem so was a lap ahead of the next cars which were "C" and "B".
The task was to add up the laps and times to produce a race result and, having done that, an explanation that would satisfy the Stewards of how the winner and runner-up (cars "B" and "C") could have those places despite having covered 2 laps less than the official race distance.
That must have happened at some point in history. During 1988 the Nürburgring held both their European touring car and World sports car races in two heats. I'm sure that both were won by cars covering the designated 500 kms in July and 1000 kms in September. Class victories might be a different story, especially as Spice Engineering suffered their only defeat of the C2 season on a rainy September weekend. As it happened Italian Kelmar Racing and their less fancied Tiga won on aggregate, but how they started their Sunday leg of the race I don't know.
Jesper
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#20
Posted 27 July 2012 - 18:14